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If the card was in warrior, it everyone would say "It is a strong card, but that isn't the problem.  Other classes need similar strong cards"

When it's hunter.  "Huntards, brainless, auto wins, broken should cost 20!!!"

Yeah no bias at all.

CotW is a problem card, the fact that this thread made it to 31 pages is a testament to that. Go look at the comments on the card's page as well. This card is not fine. It's not even just slightly too good. It's straight up busted. And it has nothing to do with hunters, if this was a class card for any other class, even priest, it would still be bitched about, guaranteed. 

Not sure why my other comment was deleted, just explaining something to the guy who was misunderstanding me. Didn't use profane language or anything. 

That is bizarre. Well at least I cleared something up for him. 

Edit: Oh I think it was his comment that was deleted, and so my quotation of it was as well. 

Yeah it seems that it doesn't matter too much if my minions are big or small. If the hunter is in a bad spot, like getting low on HP, he'll probably be forced to clear. But if he's ahead he usually just ignores whatever minions. I get that hunters have to go face because that's exactly how they win. Their hero power forces them into a highly aggressive approach. I just think it's annoying to go up against, but I understand why they do it. If I played hunter I know I'd always go face. 

And some scenario's you've mentioned indeed do make sense. But from my experience hunters really never, ever trade huffer (or any minions for that matter)  into anything unless they absolutely have to, like against a taunt or something. 

And as for decks, I rarely play control anymore because it's godawful in this meta. Doesn't matter which deck I play, all hunters seem to do the same thing. But yeah, I can beat hunters if I draw well and they draw poorly. Just think their playstyle is annoying. 

That's good, I wish most hunters were like that. It'd make playing against the class a little more bearable. 

Dude, I just played a game where yet again a hunter barely traded at all. He played back to back highmanes and just straight up SMOrced me. Had it gone a couple turns later there would have been CotW overkill for sure. You can't honestly say with a straight face that hunters trade. He even attacked my face with his weapon while I had minions on board. There is no board interaction with hunters. They don't trade. They force YOU to trade while they just keep on dropping minions on curve. 

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If it was a warrior card, the majority here would be up in arms defending it.   

 I doubt it, lots of people hate warriors. 

 No class is blindly hated more than Hunters. 

Hunters are not hated "blindly" though. No class is. If some people hate them, they have a reason. If hunters are hated, it's probably because of their extremely aggressive, ignore-your-minions-hit-your-face style of gameplay, which is understandably frustrating to play against. And CotW is one of the most broken cards in the game at the moment. I understand Hunters would be average without it, maybe even a little weak. But balancing classes is NOT achieved by giving them ridiculously busted cards. Blizzard should know better. 

 

To give another example, let's go with Shamans.  Shamans are by far the most hated class right now. They are not hated blindly, however. What people hate is the same predictable, overpowered start of turn 1 trogg, turn 2 golem, turn 3 tuskarr into another totem golem, and GG. And of course Mr. 4 mana 7/7 

Don't know which game you are playing, but mages, warriors and shamans are the classes that do hit-face-ignore-minions these days.

 

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This right here shows that you have no idea what you are talking about .Hunters rely on trading specifically because of the fact that their removal is garbage. It isn't until the latter game that the Hunter hits the opponents face as by then they would have kept your board as clear as possible as put some pressure on the opponent. People only remember when Hunters go face because that's what their biased memories remember. They don't remember the fact that the Hunter traded all game ot maintain a superior board stats is is merely is cashing in on the pressure they have been building all game.

 

 

Exactly. Hunter's have shitty removal. That's the exact reason why they always go face. They want to close the game out early because aside from deadly shot and hunters mark (which never sees play anyway), they have no removal. They can't go into late game attrition. At least they couldn't. Now they have CotW which adds tremendous late game to their arsenal as well. And, no, this is not me or anyone else being biased. Hunters do indeed attack face the most. It makes sense, though. Their hero power forces them into an aggressive playstyle. I don't think there's even a thing as "hunters trading all game". It just doesn't work like that. At most, they might trade a couple times throughout a game. The rest is just shoving their minions and burn in your face. Fun and interactive. 

 

Go and watch the Hearthstone Summer Championships. You'll see exactly what I mean. The lack of decent removal means that, in order to not get out valued or out aggressed, the Hunter has to trade. If Hunters were to strictly go for face and never trade, as you suggest, then the Hunter's deck would run out of steam at about turn 4 and the opponent would easily be able to out value him. Call of the Wild doesn't change this at all. People who dislike Hunters always asusme that teh Hunter never trades because that has been the mantra of anti-Hunter people for a very long time. If you keep repeating something for long enough people start to believe that it's the truth. 

This right here shows that you have no idea what you are talking about .Hunters rely on trading specifically because of the fact that their removal is garbage. It isn't until the latter game that the Hunter hits the opponents face as by then they would have kept your board as clear as possible as put some pressure on the opponent. People only remember when Hunters go face because that's what their biased memories remember. They don't remember the fact that the Hunter traded all game ot maintain a superior board stats is is merely is cashing in on the pressure they have been building all game.

Exactly. Hunter's have shitty removal. That's the exact reason why they always go face. They want to close the game out early because aside from deadly shot and hunters mark (which never sees play anyway), they have no removal. They can't go into late game attrition. At least they couldn't. Now they have CotW which adds tremendous late game to their arsenal as well. And, no, this is not me or anyone else being biased. Hunters do indeed attack face the most. It makes sense, though. Their hero power forces them into an aggressive playstyle. I don't think there's even a thing as "hunters trading all game". It just doesn't work like that. At most, they might trade a couple times throughout a game. The rest is just shoving their minions and burn in your face. Fun and interactive. 

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If it was a warrior card, the majority here would be up in arms defending it.   

 I doubt it, lots of people hate warriors. 

 No class is blindly hated more than Hunters. 

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If it was a warrior card, the majority here would be up in arms defending it.   

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call of the wild is fine, theres nothing overpowered in it

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Tirion is the better 8 drop.  

Call of the wild doesn't help you much when you are behind, you better have even board state or be ahead.  Tirion is a lifesaver regardless of board state.

Agreed that CotW can win close matches outright if the opponent has no boardclears. It's certainly sealed some games for me in that scenario. Flamestrike is the biggest counter to it imo, and of course other strong clears as well. 

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It needs to be a 9 mana.  The fact that you can drop 2 of those before turn 10 is insane and shouldn't be allowed