This thread will be going some drastic changes now that, Arena has become "standardized" just as normal/ranked play has. It will be re-released once the current sets are re-tuned along side with the Un'goro set release and data collection. So stay tuned for updates.
I'm surprised that Grimestreet Outfitter is ranked so low. It's a game winning card. Whenever my opponents had it on turn 2, I lost.
The issue with that card is that its very polarizing, sometimes if they have full minions and a good curve and you dont they auto win. Sometimes they have all minions but not such a great curve and you do and you win most of the time if played properly. Theres a ton of factors and a arena meta driven by tempo/curvestone usualy the +1/+1 is just not enough if your opponent out tempos you from t2 or even t1 and onwards.
The Gadgetzan Update should be released fairly soon, currently resolving some technical issues which is slowing the process I hope to have it resolved by later to day and send out the update sometime after that tonight or early tomorrow.
I apologize for the delay but working diligently to get it to the community as quickly as I can..., Thank you.
In your druid list, in the 'epic' section, under 'S' rank, you have put 'Big Wisps', which is an uncollectible card. Also, the 'wisps of the old gods' choose one card is a 'D'rank card. Does this mean that these Wisps of the Old Gods are good? Please fix; you can't draft big wisps in any deck.
Thats actually a mistake on my part. "Token" cards aren't supposed to be in the ranking lists at all, every now and then one slips through do to the volume of cards in the tooltip and the fact that tokens show up as "cards" in it. Good news is the tooltip has been updated so I can filter out tokens so that wont be happening again. I'm currently working on an update right now for the entire set of hearthstone, meaning Basic - Whispers of the Old Gods. After i address a current issue in the tooltip, everything that was missing will appear in lists, to not mention a ton of cards are getting re ranked across the entirety of the collection for Arena. So bare with me a bit, in a few hours I'll be posting the update if all is well.
I don't want to say the tier lists are necessarily wrong, but it would involve playing so incredibly different from how I'd normally play that I wonder if most players actually fall under such a playstyle. An interesting read nonetheless.
I could go on with this but there seems to be something fundamentally wrong about the evaluation of cards in these tierlists or am I overlooking something here? Newbies should better rely on Heartharena or The Lightforge - tierlists instead (sometimes I also disagree with some of the evaluations there but at least the evaluations are a lot more consistent than the hearthpwn lists).
There are a couple of mistakes in every tier lists. Some of which you pointed out. I'm working on releasing a fix to address all the wrong rankings, after all with so many cards to ranks there bound to be some wrongfully ranked cards specially after each new expansion.
Also keep in mind Rankings on these site and other similar sites like it base their ranks upon Face Value; Mana Cost, Effects, Stats, Consistency, Etc. So sites differ upon evaluations.
As for HearthArena you can't really justly compare it to a static tier list. Because a static list just gives you generic ranking or value as stand alone cards, sites like HA which has a "Static Value" but then changes said values according to how your draft is progressing, what you have or don't have do a ton of work in the background you're not aware off. It alone tells you how you're curving out, how not having taunts, silence, or any form of removal might make a difference once one of those elements is offered to you in a draft. Or how as you draft it tells you whether your current deck fits a type of archetype: Attrition, Value, Tempo, Mid-Range and so on. It does all the work for you and all you have to do is for the most part follow it and pick as it says.
These tier list serve more like a general tool to give you an idea of the strength of the card as stand alone, and as you draft your experience knowledge or lack thereof does the rest. Its up to you to ask why this card is S or F, whether this static ranking value changes according to what I currently need. Because at the end of the day it's ultimately your decision.
Like I've said there are a great deal of inconsistencies and wrong rankings, me and the other Arena mod are working on fixing these issues as soon as we can.
It all comes down to preference and luck in a draft to be fair. However; Paladin, Mage, Rogue still remain in the top tier from the looks of it. Shamans has become quite strong now due to the quality of cards released for the class in current expand. The power creep boost is not as noticeable in other classes as with Shaman. Still a bit early to tell seeing as only been a week+.
In a few minutes I'll be updating the lists to fix some of the LoE mistakes that were made went I first released the rankings. As always if there are any mistakes that I might have missed from the LoE portion or in general feel free to let me know.
Also, I've been working on doing a complete run through of the entire list from Classic - LoE for some time now. I originally had a bit of an overhaul for entire thread scheduled to be released some time next month. However with the announcement of the Standard & Wild Mode along with new expansion and a rework of some of the basic/classic cards I feel its best to hold on for both of these things to be implemented before proceeding with the overhaul.
So stay tuned, and as always keep giving feedback, suggestions, and thoughts. Goes along way to helping this list be better, after all this list is for the community.
That was an oversight on my part. This adventure added many tokens and Golden Monkey is one said token that you cant draft. I'll be sure to check the entire tier list to see if any other oversights were made.
Sorry it's taken so long to get the LoE batch into the tier lists. Holiday season snuck up on me . The new update will be up after the holidays are over in the first week of January.
I've been compiling the LoE cards as the adventure was being released. Soon I will have the tier lists updated with all LoE Adventure cards. So stay tuned for the update.
Will also be adding "Discover Synergy" to the Synergy Tab to better explain how it works, and give you a better chance at optimizing for greatest arena value if choosing to pick/use such cards.
Thats a tough one. Depends on your draft really. Swipe is very good value if you use it properly can full clear board specially with + Spell Damage. Mech Yeti is a solid 4 drop
I'm just starting out and these are helping me so much. I don't really know what I'm doing now but I can get ~6 wins in Arena. I started about 3 months ago. Some other stuff I picked up on were from reddit. I do use Heartharena as well. The picks are very similar.
In terms of deviating from the norm I read an article on reddit yesterday about evaluating cards.
It really helped me a lot in my first run today. Should have picked more Savage Roar.
I still feel like I dont really know how to build a decent mana curve though.
As you draft and play more arena you get better at picking and curving out your deck. Except in special occassions where the draft does you no favors due to picks.
This thread will be going some drastic changes now that, Arena has become "standardized" just as normal/ranked play has. It will be re-released once the current sets are re-tuned along side with the Un'goro set release and data collection. So stay tuned for updates.
I gotz it! Have you?
Need help in Drafts or the Arena? Check out the "Class Arena Tier Lists" or "Beginners Thread".
Check out my Stream on "Twitch" or hit me up at "Twitter"!
I gotz it! Have you?
Need help in Drafts or the Arena? Check out the "Class Arena Tier Lists" or "Beginners Thread".
Check out my Stream on "Twitch" or hit me up at "Twitter"!
The Gadgetzan Update should be released fairly soon, currently resolving some technical issues which is slowing the process I hope to have it resolved by later to day and send out the update sometime after that tonight or early tomorrow.
I apologize for the delay but working diligently to get it to the community as quickly as I can..., Thank you.
I gotz it! Have you?
Need help in Drafts or the Arena? Check out the "Class Arena Tier Lists" or "Beginners Thread".
Check out my Stream on "Twitch" or hit me up at "Twitter"!
I gotz it! Have you?
Need help in Drafts or the Arena? Check out the "Class Arena Tier Lists" or "Beginners Thread".
Check out my Stream on "Twitch" or hit me up at "Twitter"!
I gotz it! Have you?
Need help in Drafts or the Arena? Check out the "Class Arena Tier Lists" or "Beginners Thread".
Check out my Stream on "Twitch" or hit me up at "Twitter"!
Also keep in mind Rankings on these site and other similar sites like it base their ranks upon Face Value; Mana Cost, Effects, Stats, Consistency, Etc. So sites differ upon evaluations.
I gotz it! Have you?
Need help in Drafts or the Arena? Check out the "Class Arena Tier Lists" or "Beginners Thread".
Check out my Stream on "Twitch" or hit me up at "Twitter"!
I gotz it! Have you?
Need help in Drafts or the Arena? Check out the "Class Arena Tier Lists" or "Beginners Thread".
Check out my Stream on "Twitch" or hit me up at "Twitter"!
I gotz it! Have you?
Need help in Drafts or the Arena? Check out the "Class Arena Tier Lists" or "Beginners Thread".
Check out my Stream on "Twitch" or hit me up at "Twitter"!
In a few minutes I'll be updating the lists to fix some of the LoE mistakes that were made went I first released the rankings. As always if there are any mistakes that I might have missed from the LoE portion or in general feel free to let me know.
Also, I've been working on doing a complete run through of the entire list from Classic - LoE for some time now. I originally had a bit of an overhaul for entire thread scheduled to be released some time next month. However with the announcement of the Standard & Wild Mode along with new expansion and a rework of some of the basic/classic cards I feel its best to hold on for both of these things to be implemented before proceeding with the overhaul.
So stay tuned, and as always keep giving feedback, suggestions, and thoughts. Goes along way to helping this list be better, after all this list is for the community.
I gotz it! Have you?
Need help in Drafts or the Arena? Check out the "Class Arena Tier Lists" or "Beginners Thread".
Check out my Stream on "Twitch" or hit me up at "Twitter"!
I gotz it! Have you?
Need help in Drafts or the Arena? Check out the "Class Arena Tier Lists" or "Beginners Thread".
Check out my Stream on "Twitch" or hit me up at "Twitter"!
The LoE Adventure cards will be added later today. Making last minute rank adjustments before releasing them.
I gotz it! Have you?
Need help in Drafts or the Arena? Check out the "Class Arena Tier Lists" or "Beginners Thread".
Check out my Stream on "Twitch" or hit me up at "Twitter"!
Sorry it's taken so long to get the LoE batch into the tier lists. Holiday season snuck up on me . The new update will be up after the holidays are over in the first week of January.
Happy Holidays from Hearthpwn!
I gotz it! Have you?
Need help in Drafts or the Arena? Check out the "Class Arena Tier Lists" or "Beginners Thread".
Check out my Stream on "Twitch" or hit me up at "Twitter"!
I've been compiling the LoE cards as the adventure was being released. Soon I will have the tier lists updated with all LoE Adventure cards. So stay tuned for the update.
Will also be adding "Discover Synergy" to the Synergy Tab to better explain how it works, and give you a better chance at optimizing for greatest arena value if choosing to pick/use such cards.
I gotz it! Have you?
Need help in Drafts or the Arena? Check out the "Class Arena Tier Lists" or "Beginners Thread".
Check out my Stream on "Twitch" or hit me up at "Twitter"!
I gotz it! Have you?
Need help in Drafts or the Arena? Check out the "Class Arena Tier Lists" or "Beginners Thread".
Check out my Stream on "Twitch" or hit me up at "Twitter"!
I gotz it! Have you?
Need help in Drafts or the Arena? Check out the "Class Arena Tier Lists" or "Beginners Thread".
Check out my Stream on "Twitch" or hit me up at "Twitter"!