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Another suggestion - Caverns Below could be Tier 4 at this point.  Winrates got hid hard by the nerf, and I think you could make a case for Sonya to drop to Tier 3 consequently as well.

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I see Master Oakheart is Tier 1 because of Taunt Druid, but Hadronox is Tier 3 despite being mandatory for Taunt Druid unlike Oakheart ? Shouldn't they be on the same Tier List ?

 

 Yes, I noticed that myself.  I don't really understand that.  Or Ixlid is Tier 4 but Jungle Giants is Tier 3? All Druid Quest decks seem to run Ixlid.

So seeking some advice on crafting what would be considered Tier 3 / 4 legendaries...I have enough dust for two and enjoy off-meta and OTK'ish decks, have to choose between

King Togwaggle & Azalina combo, mill druid and mill warlock seem interesting and fun although I'm a bit reluctant to craft both of these.  Would craft one if I won the other but have neither at the moment.

Woecleaver & possibly Rotface: Leaning towards just crafting Woecleaver here as Rotface doesn't seem essential.  Main interest here is the Samerebro OTK deck that uses Grommash and sudden genesis. Maybe use the remaining dust to craft Frosh Lich which I've been putting off for a while.

Jungle Giants & Ixlid: stupidly dusted Jungle Giants a while back, this deck also looks fun

Generally enjoy playing Warrior more than Druid which is another factor.  Any advice would be appreciated.

I did respond to what you wrote - the main part of my response was commenting on your expectation of future value.  It's not that it's not easy - it's actually impossible. You cannot predict the future value of legendaries as we don't know which cards will be released in future expansions.  It's an absurd condition for the Tier list that lacks common sense.  I do think you have a point regarding moving a card suddenly up two spots, perhaps it should be moved up one spot for a while and then if winrates and usage continue to climb the card gets moved up accordingly.

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The weapon IS trash. I've had it in my Spell deck from the very beginning, and not once has it won me the game. Every single win I had was due the rest of the deck.

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Funny to see some discussion about Al'Akir.

I have him and last time i've seen him played regularly in a decent deck is like 2 years ago when shaman still was a decent class.
I didn't own him back then and when i would ask if i should craft him people still struggled to say yes.

Right now i truly struggle with this "there is a deck thats using him" reasoning to put a card in a higher tier.
Legendary Tier list should advise people what to do on expected future value, not just todays value and i regularly see this "he is used in this or that deck which is performing decent right now".
To me that just isn't good reasoning to move certain cards to a higher tier.

No clue what is going on with Rhok'delar right now either, haven't been playing him a lot, but after release he was even kicked from the spell hunter that was created because of him.
The card just wasn't good enough and i wonder if he currently is what is carrying the spell hunter.

But more surprisingly, the 2 new Paladin legendaries.
I've been wondering about them ever since release.
They have been top tier and i hardly ever see them played.
Worse even, i've seen them played right after release, but outside of brawl with random generation i can't say i've seen them used.
I just checked stats on hsreplay and i'm even more surprised....
What are they doing at the top of the tier list?
Glass Knight has a play and winrate that should probably make it Tier4 at best.
Liam might be tricky as his stats might look a lot like DK Rexxar who i always thought wasn't as terrible a card as his played winrate suggested, more because it often was a hail mary play that could turn a lost game into another win.
I however think Liam isn't nearly as good as DK Rexxar was back then.
With the nerfs odd Pally might become better, but before the nerfs it was even Pally that was clearly the better deck, hence you didn't really need to craft him to play Paladin.

This "Tier list" seems to have transformed into a "HYPE list".
Any card that is used in some pro streamer's fun deck ends up being bumped because that streamers deck won some games at high level.
Odds are in a month the card is back in the pits of oblivion and i think Al'Akir will be one of those.

Just ask yourself the question, did those top tier cards see play in recent tournaments?
I checked America's summer playoff and didn't see Liam once....
Would you really advice a new player on a budget to dump the little amount of dust he has into that card as a long term value?
I hope you won't....

 

TL'DR
The tier list used to be a great reliable source for decision making, but this one turned into a hype list.

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Look mate, this is your list and I respect it. I will also admit, that I don't follow any statistics.

But if someone comes for a crafting advice, they can mistakenly take some of the tier 1,2 and 3 legendaries as good cards with high potential. I mean, I would never put Hagatha or Hadronox (?!) in the same category as King Mukla. A veteran would know how to evaluate the usefulness of those cards, but newer player would become confused. I would also never recommend someone to craft the following legendaries you put so high:

- Rhok'delar - I'm not a hunter player and I don't speak from first experience, but for me this weapon and its deck are really slow. Dunno for wild, but every time I played against it as control warlock, I had the feeling that the hunter just gave me the needed time to react. And imagine how an aggro deck feels, when they play against it. Also - I don't like cards with a super narrowed application. Imho a newer player would be better off with something more practical.

- Al'Akir - My only issue is how his popularity is only temporary. This is one of those legendaries which comes and goes. I have seen Al'Akir being tier 2 before and I remember how you explained yourself, that he was a nice tech option in any mid-range decks. But this was long time ago - back in Un'Goro, when (token) shaman was still a thing.

It appears Quest Priest is making a bit of a return, and the most popular deck as as comparable winrate to Quest Warrior.  IMO it should be Tier 3 at this point.

You should have an Emperor Thaurissan for that deck.  Also Edwin and Preparation are very good classic cards, I would craft those as they'll always be good in standard as well.

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• Needed for Control Warlock: 1 more Doomsayer, 1 Voodoo Doll and Rin, the First Disciple
• Needed for Quest Rogue : Sonya Shadowdancer, and Zola the Gorgon
• Needed for Control Priest: Shadowreaper Anduin
• Needed for Spiteful Druid: Prince Keleseth
• Needed for Even Paladin: Genn Greymane, Sunkeeper Tarim
• I also lack Baku the Mooneater for Odd Rogue and Odd Paladin

Budget is 5000 dust. Which cards to craft? 

I'm a Control lover. My favorite classes are Priest and Warrior. SRA seems like a nobrainer. I almost crafted him but then the Raza nerf hit and I wasn't sure how he'd do after rotation. I also feel like I could use a Quest Rogue as it is the deck I struggle with the most and I'd get to learn it better by playing it.

Good list and questions.  Personally I'd argue that Genn and Baku are both safe and arguably "necessary" crafts at this point.  In terms of control I'd probably go for the Control Warlock package, I play it and Rin is a lot of fun if you can pull it off.  However if Priest is your favourite class, SRA is a great card.

Sunkeeper may get nerfed soon (something I personally strongly disagree with but oh well) and Quest may get nerfed again if you can believe that so I'd wait on both of those as well as Zola and Sonya as those two may not see too much play if Quest is nerfed yet again.  

So I'd recommend, based on your personal preferences:

Genn, Baku  & SRA.

 Actually, the upcoming nerf may be a good reason to try these cards as you'll get full dust value back temporarily if the nerf does materialize.

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• Needed for Control Warlock: 1 more Doomsayer, 1 Voodoo Doll and Rin, the First Disciple
• Needed for Quest Rogue : Sonya Shadowdancer, and Zola the Gorgon
• Needed for Control Priest: Shadowreaper Anduin
• Needed for Spiteful Druid: Prince Keleseth
• Needed for Even Paladin: Genn Greymane, Sunkeeper Tarim
• I also lack Baku the Mooneater for Odd Rogue and Odd Paladin

Budget is 5000 dust. Which cards to craft? 

I'm a Control lover. My favorite classes are Priest and Warrior. SRA seems like a nobrainer. I almost crafted him but then the Raza nerf hit and I wasn't sure how he'd do after rotation. I also feel like I could use a Quest Rogue as it is the deck I struggle with the most and I'd get to learn it better by playing it.

Fair enough.  Went with Aluneth as I do enjoy tempo / secret mage and your insight.

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Hello again

I'm happy to see the moderator actively involved in the discussion regarding this thread. I would like to thank SlydE for responding so quickly to my previous post and for updating the list. Good luck with the new expansion. I imagine it will be more than a little chaotic. 

I would like to bring to attention Val'anyr. This card saw some play initially when Aggro Paladin was the dominant archetype. Due to the nerf to Patches the Pirate, Murloc and Dude Paladin are run far more often, seemingly with more success. The reason Val'anyr worked well in Aggro Pally was due to the chargers it ran: Patches the Pirate, Southsea Deckhand and Leeroy Jenkins. Post Patches nerf, this card has also been affected and thus rarely sees serious play anymore.

Even when it was played Pre Patches there was some discussion as to whether it was worth being run, as there were  negative win rates associated with it, so it was often replaced even back then. At the moment I would say Val'anyr is Playable, but not Tech.

As my first KnC legendary, and one I played with extensively during the first couple of months of the expansion. It is with a heavy heart that I give this verdict. Perhaps my opinion will change upon release of the next expansion, which looks to be quite interesting indeed. I, of course, can only state my opinion. I am open to counter argument regarding my decision and would be overjoyed to hear it proven wrong. Apologies for the long post.

Yes - also looking for the panda version. If you come across please let us know.

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Rhok'delar, how fun is this card? I'm sitting on ~8k dust and have mostly everything else from KnC that I want except for this one. Im playing Big Hunter at the moment, would be nice to have another Hunter variant to play with. 

Also considering The Last Kaleidosaur and Lynessa Sunsorrow. Lynessa seems like it could fit in a lot of Paladin decks as "fun" card.

 Rhok'delar is extremely fun. That is the weapon i got fro the expansion start, I immediately made a spell hunter deck and while the win rate hovers around 50% its not really good for climbing but it's by far the most fun deck i've played this expansion. I also packed a Lynessa and was thinking of making quest/buff pally for the meme but it's a lot of dust for a deck that will never gain a lot of traction

 Yup, I got this in my set of 50 packs (Kingsbane was my free class legendary) and have a lot of fun with Rhok'delar.  Who knows maybe the next expansion will make this more viable on the ladder but it's a super fun deck to play. Always look forward to hunter related daily quests because of it.

 Slow response on my part. Ended up crafting Rhok'delar, super fun card. Very happy with my decision. Thanks for your insights on the card, might not have crafted it otherwise.

Spent some gold on some Un Goro packs hoping to snag the Paladin Quest...got beyond lucky and got it in gold. So I crafted Lynessa to go along with it. Second game: