Having moved to Illinois suburbs from NYC just a couple of months ago, and being my girlfriend still there, I though about killing some evenings playing Wow....AGAIN.
I played from beta up to Cataclysm and stopped right before Pandaria, which, to me, was pure blasphemy.
Do you think it's still fun? I logged briefly yesterday and I see there's a Pokemon style stuff with pets. wtf? I'm kinda an old school player that still think that Nefarian was the top fun anyone could have in WoW.
If you like grinding you should be fine, there's a lot to do before BfA comes out (08/14). One of my friend decided to get back to WoW after a 6 year break and it's been two weeks since i haven't heard of him, he probably lost his mind at the time we speak.
If you like grinding you should be fine, there's a lot to do before BfA comes out (08/14). One of my friend decided to get back to WoW after a 6 year break and it's been two weeks since i haven't heard of him, he probably lost his mind at the time we speak.
Well having played since vanilla, yes, Iove grinding, but my question was more some sort of...is the game too bland and easy now? I miss those 40 men raid and damage spreadsheets days so much...
If you like grinding you should be fine, there's a lot to do before BfA comes out (08/14). One of my friend decided to get back to WoW after a 6 year break and it's been two weeks since i haven't heard of him, he probably lost his mind at the time we speak.
Well having played since vanilla, yes, Iove grinding, but my question was more some sort of...is the game too bland and easy now? I miss those 40 men raid and damage spreadsheets days so much...
I've done Vanilla -> Cataclysm and then I was back at the start of Legion (the current expansion) but it's a totally different mindset than back in the old days. No fun for me and I freeze again (just done the first and the second raid in HM with no much efforts). Not that is not "hard" on HM, but it's... not difficult as it was during TBC or Ulduar Heroic.
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For what profit is it to a man, if he gains the world and loses his own soul?
Vanilla WoW is coming out in November. I'm going to give that a try. The community WoW once had is gone. Between cross-server and LFD/LFR, there is no guild needed, no need to keep a good reputation on your server, hell - no need for any cooperation whatsoever. The last time I played during a free weekend, I queued up for the latest raid, knew nothing about the mechanics, and just spammed damage at the boss. I even went AFK for a couple bosses and no one noticed or cared.
Questing out in the world is ok I guess, but there is nothing left in the game that will give you that feeling of walking through Ironforge and ogling the Dwarf decked out in all epics. I miss the days of seeing people with their Black Temple gear, even while knowing that I'd most likely never get there. Everyone gets everything nowadays, and that's just not a game I'm interested in playing.
If you like grinding you should be fine, there's a lot to do before BfA comes out (08/14). One of my friend decided to get back to WoW after a 6 year break and it's been two weeks since i haven't heard of him, he probably lost his mind at the time we speak.
Well having played since vanilla, yes, Iove grinding, but my question was more some sort of...is the game too bland and easy now? I miss those 40 men raid and damage spreadsheets days so much...
I've done Vanilla -> Cataclysm and then I was back at the start of Legion (the current expansion) but it's a totally different mindset than back in the old days. No fun for me and I freeze again (just done the first and the second raid in HM with no much efforts). Not that is not "hard" on HM, but it's... not difficult as it was during TBC or Ulduar Heroic.
Man... I miss that feeling of summoning Ragnaros in Molten core with 39 guys by your side, gathered by forums and public chat, committed to the cause, 3 hours of sleep a night, pathetic modems and miserable connections, rising the money for a teamspeaker server..
every single one of them ready to give their life for you, and you for them. Those were the days.
(ok now I'll go back in my senior's retirement place)
Theorycraft is still up and running, tools just evolved, simplier to use but you can definitely still torture yourself by doing them on paper or something. The stats were greatly simplified to be more casual friendly, just as the whole game but that's another thing.
You most likely won't feel something as intense as 40 man raiding, even if Blizzard put them back because they actually did it for the 10th anniversary in 2014 with a 40 mana LFR Molten Core and the results were far below expectations. Back in 2005, the player base was low those among it who were able to endure 40 were so few, now even with a larger player base this is totally unadapted. Player have evolved too. Even Wildstar tried 40 man raiding and it was a failure.
In a sense they transitioned the complexity of a 40 man group into more active boss behaviours. Try watching some of the latest mythic raids to get an idea, though it's capped to 20, the coordination is still there. It sounds more like a choreography sometimes unlike the giant mess you may have known .
This will not be the game you once loved, not quite. You probably need to grief first and then give it a chance.
Back in my day, we fought the scarab people under the desert sands! Kids these days with their spec shifts and transmogs...
Seriously though, I returned back when Legion came out because it looked REALLY good to me, ended up going into a pause some time ago due to college, but I'm not really considering going back right now. Somehow, I have a bad feeling about Battle for Azeroth, but only time will tell.
I enjoyed raiding and PvP when I first played back in Wrath. I've come back twice since then (Warlords and then Legion) and have been mostly disappointed at what's happened with PvP. They've made it so that anyone can jump into PvP regardless of gear and there's no working toward gear pieces or satisfaction of demolishing someone with lower gear levels than you. Also, world PvP has declined greatly. I loved hanging out after Wintergrasp and just brawling against the alliance who stayed behind to mess around. And city raids were so much fun but neither of those really seem to be happening anymore. Raiding has also become accessible with lower tier raiding options where anyone can queue and they don't have to know what's going on, but you still need to know your stuff to run heroic and mythic raids. I feel like the team does a great job with raid mechanics still and they have sweet set bonuses but there's nothing awesome to earn like the old legendaries (went back and did Fangs of the Father on my rogue just for the experience).
Moving forward, I'm actually pretty optimistic about Battle for Azeroth (the new expansion). They've revitalized world PvP with actual incentives and now that the artifact is no longer tied to weapons, I can earn awesome weapons again (I was always excited when I got new, stronger weapons). It doesn't look like they're changing up the classes too terribly much - Legion was a huge overhaul - but the changes I've seen so far have all been fairly good.
i'm 11/11 mythic raider and I'm usually pretty bored with the game nowadays, but I did play legion a fucking lot. It does depend on what kind of content you like. There is a lot of daily and weekly "rewards" to keep you busy but once you've maxed out your char you either play alts, pvp, or just bullshit around old content / stand in dalaran.
With mythic+ dungeons you can do five man content infinitely. That can get stale but if you find some friends with a good comp it can be a lot of fun. There is a lot of potential with that if that is your thing. The gear is on par with mythic raid gear if you go high enough (other than the lack of set bonus but that is leaving in BFA anyway).
Raiding is pretty good. I would say that classes are easier to play and there are a lot of pruned abilities, but you have to play them very well and the raid mechanics are often harder to the point where it balances out. I spent a lot of time minmaxing my character and improving my raid performance. I have my complaints about the titanforging system but progressing my character/performance to be pretty much the best of my spec on the realm (not a competitive realm) was quite rewarding.
I thought pvp was good in WoD but in Legion it's been pretty meh. The balance is decent so if you want to be really competitive with it and do high end arenas it's ok but there is little character progression in that regard. WPVP is actually really good now after the fix a while back but there just isn't enough of it going on. If you know where to look you can find it. In WOD i was in a guild that raided stormwind every week on the same time, and some alliance guilds eventually started setting up defense groups so it would be two 20-30 man groups brawling it out in the city. Oh how i'll miss spamming earthquakes on the healers and wiping their whole raid.
There are a lot of sick mounts and cosmetics and shit.
Played till a bit into the Broken Isles, since Vanilla, That got boring pretty fast. Haven't played since. I loved the old days, just doing all kind of stuff for yourself and with the guild. The day guilds were not needed anymore cause you can do everything on your own nowadays (except the raids). Miss the contacts you had inside the guild, having a laughter, organizing different/funny events/raids. Wow is not the wow I used to know. :(
Not sure if going to try the new expansion, haven't actually kept myself informed about that. Though thinking of giving Vanilla Wow a shot. Good old times and memories. Now that I say that last word, I got no memories of legion. That says something. Tbh I think Blizz took the wrong turn.
Yea played in Legion as well only did Nighthold on Mythic quit after that mostly coz it was around the time my own friends quit the game I didn't feel attached to my guild or anything like I did back in Vanilla/TBC days. Idk the community feels like it isn't there anymore but maybe I'm just imagining things. Don't get me wrong there is a lot of stuff you can do in WoW currently but yea there doesn't feel like a sense of purpose besides lucking out on Titanforge rolls even gearing is pretty streamlined now you're almost guaranteed loot from coins and whatnot. Legion had plenty of content and introduced Demon Hunter class which people had been asking for, for quite a long time, Mythic+ and artifact weapons as well timeless classics like Ashbringer and whatnot, artifact grind was absolutely abysmal though. Wasn't a bad expansion by any means but I'm more of a community kinda person if my friends aren't playing I won't play pretty much. Admittedly my friends are coming back for BFA so I'll probably come back for a while at least. Can't say there's anything I'm looking forward to in the new expac it looks pretty bland to me but yea for me playing with my mates is a big reason I enjoy games like this.
As for PvP Legion felt really clunky so I didn't do it often besides getting Prestige 2-3 so just did PvP world quests and occasional battlegrounds. PvP is too balanced to the point where it's just boring coz people have stupidly high health pools and you do like 0 damage to them and healers just felt ridiculously strong so instead of it taking like 5-10 seconds to kill someone would take closer to 30-40 seconds if they had a healer. Haven't really enjoyed PvP as much as I used to since Cata pretty much. Used to be big on world PvP in Vanilla and managed a 2400 rating in arena in TBC pretty often but yea just doesn't appeal to me anymore, don't know if BFA will fix any of that or not but it's possible.
I agree with other people doesn't feel like the WoW I used to know and love. Hoping that the return of Vanilla servers will spur some love back into the game but part of the fun of Vanilla was not actually knowing anything and having to figure it all out yourself but now everyone knows everything I don't know if it'll have the same appeal as it once used to.
Hey there,
Having moved to Illinois suburbs from NYC just a couple of months ago, and being my girlfriend still there, I though about killing some evenings playing Wow....AGAIN.
I played from beta up to Cataclysm and stopped right before Pandaria, which, to me, was pure blasphemy.
Do you think it's still fun? I logged briefly yesterday and I see there's a Pokemon style stuff with pets. wtf? I'm kinda an old school player that still think that Nefarian was the top fun anyone could have in WoW.
Help me decide, wise community!
Guess what, Monk is currently a top tier class.
If you like grinding you should be fine, there's a lot to do before BfA comes out (08/14). One of my friend decided to get back to WoW after a 6 year break and it's been two weeks since i haven't heard of him, he probably lost his mind at the time we speak.
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/index
Well having played since vanilla, yes, Iove grinding, but my question was more some sort of...is the game too bland and easy now? I miss those 40 men raid and damage spreadsheets days so much...
I've done Vanilla -> Cataclysm and then I was back at the start of Legion (the current expansion) but it's a totally different mindset than back in the old days. No fun for me and I freeze again (just done the first and the second raid in HM with no much efforts). Not that is not "hard" on HM, but it's... not difficult as it was during TBC or Ulduar Heroic.
For what profit is it to a man, if he gains the world and loses his own soul?
Vanilla WoW is coming out in November. I'm going to give that a try. The community WoW once had is gone. Between cross-server and LFD/LFR, there is no guild needed, no need to keep a good reputation on your server, hell - no need for any cooperation whatsoever. The last time I played during a free weekend, I queued up for the latest raid, knew nothing about the mechanics, and just spammed damage at the boss. I even went AFK for a couple bosses and no one noticed or cared.
Questing out in the world is ok I guess, but there is nothing left in the game that will give you that feeling of walking through Ironforge and ogling the Dwarf decked out in all epics. I miss the days of seeing people with their Black Temple gear, even while knowing that I'd most likely never get there. Everyone gets everything nowadays, and that's just not a game I'm interested in playing.
Man... I miss that feeling of summoning Ragnaros in Molten core with 39 guys by your side, gathered by forums and public chat, committed to the cause, 3 hours of sleep a night, pathetic modems and miserable connections, rising the money for a teamspeaker server..
every single one of them ready to give their life for you, and you for them. Those were the days.
(ok now I'll go back in my senior's retirement place)
39 guys ? That used to be rare, so many AFKs...
Theorycraft is still up and running, tools just evolved, simplier to use but you can definitely still torture yourself by doing them on paper or something. The stats were greatly simplified to be more casual friendly, just as the whole game but that's another thing.
You most likely won't feel something as intense as 40 man raiding, even if Blizzard put them back because they actually did it for the 10th anniversary in 2014 with a 40 mana LFR Molten Core and the results were far below expectations. Back in 2005, the player base was low those among it who were able to endure 40 were so few, now even with a larger player base this is totally unadapted. Player have evolved too. Even Wildstar tried 40 man raiding and it was a failure.
In a sense they transitioned the complexity of a 40 man group into more active boss behaviours. Try watching some of the latest mythic raids to get an idea, though it's capped to 20, the coordination is still there. It sounds more like a choreography sometimes unlike the giant mess you may have known .
This will not be the game you once loved, not quite. You probably need to grief first and then give it a chance.
Back in my day, we fought the scarab people under the desert sands! Kids these days with their spec shifts and transmogs...
Seriously though, I returned back when Legion came out because it looked REALLY good to me, ended up going into a pause some time ago due to college, but I'm not really considering going back right now. Somehow, I have a bad feeling about Battle for Azeroth, but only time will tell.
I enjoyed raiding and PvP when I first played back in Wrath. I've come back twice since then (Warlords and then Legion) and have been mostly disappointed at what's happened with PvP. They've made it so that anyone can jump into PvP regardless of gear and there's no working toward gear pieces or satisfaction of demolishing someone with lower gear levels than you. Also, world PvP has declined greatly. I loved hanging out after Wintergrasp and just brawling against the alliance who stayed behind to mess around. And city raids were so much fun but neither of those really seem to be happening anymore. Raiding has also become accessible with lower tier raiding options where anyone can queue and they don't have to know what's going on, but you still need to know your stuff to run heroic and mythic raids. I feel like the team does a great job with raid mechanics still and they have sweet set bonuses but there's nothing awesome to earn like the old legendaries (went back and did Fangs of the Father on my rogue just for the experience).
Moving forward, I'm actually pretty optimistic about Battle for Azeroth (the new expansion). They've revitalized world PvP with actual incentives and now that the artifact is no longer tied to weapons, I can earn awesome weapons again (I was always excited when I got new, stronger weapons). It doesn't look like they're changing up the classes too terribly much - Legion was a huge overhaul - but the changes I've seen so far have all been fairly good.
i'm 11/11 mythic raider and I'm usually pretty bored with the game nowadays, but I did play legion a fucking lot. It does depend on what kind of content you like. There is a lot of daily and weekly "rewards" to keep you busy but once you've maxed out your char you either play alts, pvp, or just bullshit around old content / stand in dalaran.
With mythic+ dungeons you can do five man content infinitely. That can get stale but if you find some friends with a good comp it can be a lot of fun. There is a lot of potential with that if that is your thing. The gear is on par with mythic raid gear if you go high enough (other than the lack of set bonus but that is leaving in BFA anyway).
Raiding is pretty good. I would say that classes are easier to play and there are a lot of pruned abilities, but you have to play them very well and the raid mechanics are often harder to the point where it balances out. I spent a lot of time minmaxing my character and improving my raid performance. I have my complaints about the titanforging system but progressing my character/performance to be pretty much the best of my spec on the realm (not a competitive realm) was quite rewarding.
I thought pvp was good in WoD but in Legion it's been pretty meh. The balance is decent so if you want to be really competitive with it and do high end arenas it's ok but there is little character progression in that regard. WPVP is actually really good now after the fix a while back but there just isn't enough of it going on. If you know where to look you can find it. In WOD i was in a guild that raided stormwind every week on the same time, and some alliance guilds eventually started setting up defense groups so it would be two 20-30 man groups brawling it out in the city. Oh how i'll miss spamming earthquakes on the healers and wiping their whole raid.
There are a lot of sick mounts and cosmetics and shit.
For me it was Zul Gurub. We were just a small group with only enough to run the small dungeons. Those were fun days.
Played till a bit into the Broken Isles, since Vanilla, That got boring pretty fast. Haven't played since.
I loved the old days, just doing all kind of stuff for yourself and with the guild. The day guilds were not needed anymore cause you can do everything on your own nowadays (except the raids). Miss the contacts you had inside the guild, having a laughter, organizing different/funny events/raids. Wow is not the wow I used to know. :(
Not sure if going to try the new expansion, haven't actually kept myself informed about that. Though thinking of giving Vanilla Wow a shot. Good old times and memories. Now that I say that last word, I got no memories of legion. That says something. Tbh I think Blizz took the wrong turn.
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Yea played in Legion as well only did Nighthold on Mythic quit after that mostly coz it was around the time my own friends quit the game I didn't feel attached to my guild or anything like I did back in Vanilla/TBC days. Idk the community feels like it isn't there anymore but maybe I'm just imagining things. Don't get me wrong there is a lot of stuff you can do in WoW currently but yea there doesn't feel like a sense of purpose besides lucking out on Titanforge rolls even gearing is pretty streamlined now you're almost guaranteed loot from coins and whatnot. Legion had plenty of content and introduced Demon Hunter class which people had been asking for, for quite a long time, Mythic+ and artifact weapons as well timeless classics like Ashbringer and whatnot, artifact grind was absolutely abysmal though. Wasn't a bad expansion by any means but I'm more of a community kinda person if my friends aren't playing I won't play pretty much. Admittedly my friends are coming back for BFA so I'll probably come back for a while at least. Can't say there's anything I'm looking forward to in the new expac it looks pretty bland to me but yea for me playing with my mates is a big reason I enjoy games like this.
As for PvP Legion felt really clunky so I didn't do it often besides getting Prestige 2-3 so just did PvP world quests and occasional battlegrounds. PvP is too balanced to the point where it's just boring coz people have stupidly high health pools and you do like 0 damage to them and healers just felt ridiculously strong so instead of it taking like 5-10 seconds to kill someone would take closer to 30-40 seconds if they had a healer. Haven't really enjoyed PvP as much as I used to since Cata pretty much. Used to be big on world PvP in Vanilla and managed a 2400 rating in arena in TBC pretty often but yea just doesn't appeal to me anymore, don't know if BFA will fix any of that or not but it's possible.
I agree with other people doesn't feel like the WoW I used to know and love. Hoping that the return of Vanilla servers will spur some love back into the game but part of the fun of Vanilla was not actually knowing anything and having to figure it all out yourself but now everyone knows everything I don't know if it'll have the same appeal as it once used to.