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........you've never seen someone suddenly snap and lose their shit in real life?  At a certain point, you no longer can keep it together and all the emotions you've been trying to calm all come back to the surface and you stop being rational.  I don't know why it's so hard to believe, since that's how it actually works.  

Agreed. But the problem here is that she doesn't go crush Cersei and accidentally get some collateral, but she purposely opens fire on innocent women and children, which goes against anything she has done for the past 7 seaons.

While the execution was not the best, I'm glad Daenerys finally showed her true face. I always hated that bitch with passion!!! :) :) :)

Now, please f...king directors, I want Jon Snow and Tyrion Lannister 100% dead, they are too stupid for my taste. :D :D :D

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........you've never seen someone suddenly snap and lose their shit in real life?  At a certain point, you no longer can keep it together and all the emotions you've been trying to calm all come back to the surface and you stop being rational.  I don't know why it's so hard to believe, since that's how it actually works.  

Agreed. But the problem here is that she doesn't go crush Cersei and accidentally get some collateral, but she purposely opens fire on innocent women and children, which goes against anything she has done for the past 7 seaons.

 Angry people don't do rational things.  They simply rage on whatever is closest.  I got the impression Dany was taking her anger out on King's Landing as a whole.  

memes time ?

Season 8 summed up: if you dont have plot armor you can get out! and Deus ex machina! 

This last episode just rubbed me the wrong way and i cant get it out my head how the writing just went to shit. 

I agree a lot of you when it came to most of the positive in the episode, the cleganes were great. 

I dont even care how this show ends anymore, i just cant wait for the books unless G.RR.M doesnt croaks.

Last note:  dont ring the bell.

Oh, I almost forgot about the f..king retarded Grey Worm, I want that asshole also dead. I want him to have the most gross death in the entire show, a much worse fate than Oberyn Martell!!! :D :D :D

I really can't just express how much I love the fact """Dany""" ended up being a total crazy bitch. So many people disappointed because their stupid, """cool""" and """goody""" favorite character is actually a really, really evil and crazy one makes me rejoice with joy!!!!!! :) :) :) 

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........you've never seen someone suddenly snap and lose their shit in real life?  At a certain point, you no longer can keep it together and all the emotions you've been trying to calm all come back to the surface and you stop being rational.  I don't know why it's so hard to believe, since that's how it actually works.  

Right, but they still follow some semblance of logic.  She snapped, we get it, yet her "emotions she's been trying to calm" were against Cersei, not millions of innocents.  If she snapped, she would have gone straight to Cersei and the red keep and burned it down.  She's been trying to save the masses all 7 seasons, and you're saying she snapped and decided, I'm going to spend 30 minutes burning this city down in a rage and kill everyone I've tried to protect, meanwhile my true enemy just sits up in a tower right there and I'll ignore her?

Also, let's not forget she "snapped" right at the point she f'ing won.  The city bells were ringing in surrender, she won, this would NOT be the time she would snap.  If she was to snap, it'd be after Mellesendai or the dragon died, not when she won what she spent her whole life trying to achieve.

It's dumb, and just a gimmick so they can have Jon kill Dany at the end (there's absolutely no other resolution for the series at this point), and then say "see, GoT was never predictable to the end!" even though all the other shocking moments were actually, you know, seamless and in character for everyone involved, and helped /push/ the narrative instead of flip it on its head.

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........you've never seen someone suddenly snap and lose their shit in real life?  At a certain point, you no longer can keep it together and all the emotions you've been trying to calm all come back to the surface and you stop being rational.  I don't know why it's so hard to believe, since that's how it actually works.  

Right, but they still follow some semblance of logic.  She snapped, we get it, yet her "emotions she's been trying to calm" were against Cersei, not millions of innocents.  If she snapped, she would have gone straight to Cersei and the red keep and burned it down.  She's been trying to save the masses all 7 seasons, and you're saying she snapped and decided, I'm going to spend 30 minutes burning this city down in a rage and kill everyone I've tried to protect, meanwhile my true enemy just sits up in a tower right there and I'll ignore her?

Also, let's not forget she "snapped" right at the point she f'ing won.  The city bells were ringing in surrender, she won, this would NOT be the time she would snap.  If she was to snap, it'd be after Mellesendai or the dragon died, not when she won what she spent her whole life trying to achieve.

It's dumb, and just a gimmick so they can have Jon kill Dany at the end (there's absolutely no other resolution for the series at this point), and then say "see, GoT was never predictable to the end!" even though all the other shocking moments were actually, you know, seamless and in character for everyone involved, and helped /push/ the narrative instead of flip it on its head.

 I get the impression you've never experienced this anger yourself.  It's not logical.  

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........you've never seen someone suddenly snap and lose their shit in real life?  At a certain point, you no longer can keep it together and all the emotions you've been trying to calm all come back to the surface and you stop being rational.  I don't know why it's so hard to believe, since that's how it actually works.  

Right, but they still follow some semblance of logic.  She snapped, we get it, yet her "emotions she's been trying to calm" were against Cersei, not millions of innocents.  If she snapped, she would have gone straight to Cersei and the red keep and burned it down.  She's been trying to save the masses all 7 seasons, and you're saying she snapped and decided, I'm going to spend 30 minutes burning this city down in a rage and kill everyone I've tried to protect, meanwhile my true enemy just sits up in a tower right there and I'll ignore her?

Also, let's not forget she "snapped" right at the point she f'ing won.  The city bells were ringing in surrender, she won, this would NOT be the time she would snap.  If she was to snap, it'd be after Mellesendai or the dragon died, not when she won what she spent her whole life trying to achieve.

It's dumb, and just a gimmick so they can have Jon kill Dany at the end (there's absolutely no other resolution for the series at this point), and then say "see, GoT was never predictable to the end!" even though all the other shocking moments were actually, you know, seamless and in character for everyone involved, and helped /push/ the narrative instead of flip it on its head.

 I just can't agree more. While her Anakin-ish twist was predictable, its logic was completely horrible and unnatural. Just meh for me. Disappointed and waiting for the 6th book as hell.

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While the execution was not the best, I'm glad Daenerys finally showed her true face. I always hated that bitch with passion!!! :) :) :)

Now, please f...king directors, I want Jon Snow and Tyrion Lannister 100% dead, they are too stupid for my taste. :D :D :D

 Yeah, what makes this worse, is that stannis the manis died for this shit :(. Not only they killed him but they butchered his character...

Fuck it, Night King killing them all would have been a better ending.

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........you've never seen someone suddenly snap and lose their shit in real life?  At a certain point, you no longer can keep it together and all the emotions you've been trying to calm all come back to the surface and you stop being rational.  I don't know why it's so hard to believe, since that's how it actually works.  

Right, but they still follow some semblance of logic.  She snapped, we get it, yet her "emotions she's been trying to calm" were against Cersei, not millions of innocents.  If she snapped, she would have gone straight to Cersei and the red keep and burned it down.  She's been trying to save the masses all 7 seasons, and you're saying she snapped and decided, I'm going to spend 30 minutes burning this city down in a rage and kill everyone I've tried to protect, meanwhile my true enemy just sits up in a tower right there and I'll ignore her?

Also, let's not forget she "snapped" right at the point she f'ing won.  The city bells were ringing in surrender, she won, this would NOT be the time she would snap.  If she was to snap, it'd be after Mellesendai or the dragon died, not when she won what she spent her whole life trying to achieve.

It's dumb, and just a gimmick so they can have Jon kill Dany at the end (there's absolutely no other resolution for the series at this point), and then say "see, GoT was never predictable to the end!" even though all the other shocking moments were actually, you know, seamless and in character for everyone involved, and helped /push/ the narrative instead of flip it on its head.

The way I see it, she didn’t want the bells to ring. That was Tyrion’s plan, and Danny wasn’t into it, suspicious as she was that everyone was conspiring against her.  She wanted to have it her way and accepting surrender was to have Tyrion’s way, a Lanister. I think if you see her snapping as paranoia, it makes much more sense. Burning the city was a mad way of saying « I decide », and al your manoeuvrings to ploy my will have failed. I’m the queen. And thats been part of jer character for a long time: look at me I’m the Queen. That’s what makes her so annoying. 

Apparently this season has been the GoT version of Michael Douglas's Falling Down.

 

 I get the impression you've never experienced this anger yourself.  It's not logical.  

Why didnt we use that Dany anger and Drogon Plasmaball abilities agaisnt Night KIng ? Becouse there is no such thing, they wrote stupid script and they will use any explanation to support it. 

Its so hard for me to defend the anything on the show, every angle is broken or deformed. They cant get the dialagues, the chemistry, the plot is ridicilous. The jumps they make in every aspect - time, space, logistics, strategy just to justify their previous decisions or to reverse expectations..... I have rarely felt so hearthbroken

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While the execution was not the best, I'm glad Daenerys finally showed her true face. I always hated that bitch with passion!!! :) :) :)

Now, please f...king directors, I want Jon Snow and Tyrion Lannister 100% dead, they are too stupid for my taste. :D :D :D

 Yeah, what makes this worse, is that stannis the manis died for this shit :(. Not only they killed him but they butchered his character...

Fuck it, Night King killing them all would have been a better ending.

Yeah, haha, I'm still worried about the ending :(, but as I said before, all this people disappointed because their Khaleesi ended up being a crazy piece of shit makes me feel so good... It is a dream come true!!! :D :D :D 

At least the memes are great

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 I get the impression you've never experienced this anger yourself.  It's not logical.  

Why didnt we use that Dany anger and Drogon Plasmaball abilities agaisnt Night KIng ? Becouse there is no such thing, they wrote stupid script and they will use any explanation to support it. 

Its so hard for me to defend the anything on the show, every angle is broken or deformed. They cant get the dialagues, the chemistry, the plot is ridicilous. The jumps they make in every aspect - time, space, logistics, strategy just to justify their previous decisions or to reverse expectations..... I have rarely felt so hearthbroken

 Because it's not the kind of thing you just willingly and purposely decide to shift into.  I have some complaints about Ep 5, but this is not one of them.  

I have some complaints about Jaime but him going to be with Cercei is not one of them.  We can discuss that more if you'd like, I feel like we're never going to agree on Dany's arc. 

Contrary to people's belief, I don't think Jaime's story is entirely about redemption. I think it's more about addiction. No matter how hard he tried to get away from Cersei, he can't, he is addicted to her. Dying together is fitting imo.

The things we do for love...the sheer stupidity of Jon and Jaime really bothered me. Jon doesn't know his queen for too long, but I really thought Jaime will come to his senses eventually...Well, Jon still has his chance at least. 

That massive nerf to those balistas - that was 2nd in terms of stupidity.

The only really good thing was the mountain vs the hound, been waiting for that like nothing else. Hound being my fav character - was painful to see him end in fire...

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 1. Yes, it would make it helluva more believable to lose her shit GRADUALLY. Not with a switch flip. You want an example of how to progress a character from a good person into a monster - watch Breaking Bad.

2. No, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It's once again 7 seasons of character progression thrown into a dumpster fire. Jaime didn't need  to become a hero, but he needed to keep the consistency of his character. And his actions in Ep4-5 are complete nonsensical.

This pretty much sums it up.  If Dany is meant to go Mad-King on us and be like her father (and with the Wildfire explosions randomly happening in the city for no reason, looks like it), that's fine, but it should have happened gradually over a few seasons.  She's arguably one of the two MAIN characters, her downfall cannot be done over the course of just two episodes.  Seeing Jaime and the Hound slowly go from evil to good, and Arya go from child to disturbed agent of Death, was interesting and well done because it happened slowly over seasons.  You watched as the characters repeatedly had decision to make and over time, their choices changed as they progressed along their path.

Dany, as late as season 7, said "I didn't come here to be queen of the ashes."  Yeah, she also liked to burn people you rather she didn't (Sam's father/brother the most notable), but the line was pretty clear.  If you bent the knee or were an oppressed innocent, she gave mercy.  Refuse, and you die.  The line never changed for 7 seasons.  It never wavered.  She never once thought of killing innocents, and often went against advice just to avoid killing innocents.  She f'ing stayed in Essos for /years/ to protect the innocents of the city and stabilize the area, even if it meant delaying the throne longer.  Also, if she really went mad, she would have gone straight at Cersei in the tower, not burn every house in the city. 

Whatever, it's all pointless talk now.  Season is a failure, and the cast knew it.  Just watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA7UQOYskas

 What you said about Dany is true at the same time it isn't. The rule in the show is that Targaryans are nutcases. Dany lost her mind because she has the Targaryan gen. She was a time bomb, wich exploded this episode.