Imo, the series peaked at 4.2. After that, it grows worse and worse with just some bright spots here and there (mostly just scenes).
I also think GRRM does not know how to end his own book series, and/or cannot find an appealing ending, and/or there is NO right ending at all. Basically, he does not really care anymore.
And you can be a fan of a great writer, but have no clue of his/her real points of strength, hence being totally unable to keep drawing the line in the same way, if at all.
This gives way to a banalized tv series, which is only carried by the perspective of incomes.
I will watch the last season, hoping it it w be at least decent. But i already feel i will be disappointed yet again.
If you really are that genius, go craft some saga for yourself and share that with us, or sell it...
Play HearthStone without any serious problems (one bug here or there sometimes is acceptable for consumers of this kind of product) for 5 years then play one month with terrible connection issues because lazy Blizzard employees, if you complain about it and someone say:
"If you really that genius, go make your own game and share that with us, or sell it..."
You will agree with that?
Watch the season 1 to 4 then watch the last season, it is a very similar situation, fans are mad and complain a lot because this show put the best scenes and outstanding production value than anything else in TV, the massive drop in the quality of the show is hearth breaking for anyone invested in the history for years.
That's not a very similar situation.
You know what is very similar situation?
You are watching the episode and BOOM!!! black screen. They forgot to put the scene behind 20-25 mins and you pissed like "You had one job guys!!" or you are reading a book and after 120 pages you realize that the book doesn't have 121st-122nd-123rd pages. That's the real very similar situation and you can whine about that.
You can whine about connection issues, interface problems, how big the book and you can't hold it, letters' size, resolution of the scene, act of players, how bad the visual effects, bla bla... but can't whine about lore, how story goes, how gameplay will be, how the story ends, how you go through in the story, how the meta will shape, how cards are stated.. You just like them, or not. If you don't like, you quit watching, reading, playing... Noone forces you to do them.
You can only whine about technical problems.
You have really no respect !
You really pissed me off!! I'm editting this comment non-stop. This community makes me rage so hard. I can barely endure this community anymore.
We absolutely can,and must, complain about things that are disappointing like the last seasons of GoT.
If you want to show unconditional love to HBO It Blizzard please do It, but be aware that It is a very nocive point of view.
“We absolutely can and MUST complain!!!”
oooh, entitles much?
Sure, go ahead. But some people don’t have to complain. I’ll enjoy the show and this game with a beer and a snack and get on with my fucking life
I bought the box containing season 1-3 many many years ago. Let's put it this way. I will not be buying ANYTHING more from GoT. Season 5 and onwards is not "OMG! LEGENDARY QUALITY!". Just... Okey and mediocre.
If you really are that genius, go craft some saga for yourself and share that with us, or sell it...
I really hate this argument. You don't have to be a chef to see that your meal is burned, nor do you have to be a roofer to see your roof is uneven etc. That's all I wanted to say. Peace.
If you really are that genius, go craft some saga for yourself and share that with us, or sell it...
I really hate this argument. You don't have to be a chef to see that your meal is burned, nor do you have to be a roofer to see your roof is uneven etc. That's all I wanted to say. Peace.
I hate that argument too. But sometimes (when you are miserable or person who you are trying to make him understand is miserable) you just need to use that.
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As for the show, well you cannot help it. Martin is genius and Machiavelli's fan, so his story is intricate with amazing depth and grey characters. The show producers are fans of his work but they have not his talent. Plus Martin himself has said that he has no idea how to progress his story now that the show has surpassed his books. If he goes on with what he had envisioned, the show becomes obsolete because of changes made by the producers. If he follows the show's plot, then there will be a tons of plot holes as there are so many characters in the books which he cannot simply just forget about them. Like my favourite, Cold Hands!
It's a shity situation, maybe after a decade or so when the show will be kinda forgotten, the books will be published and we will have our answer. Assuming he will be still alive :P
God this community... so many people complaining about Rise of Shadows when a handful of cards were revealed. And now people complaining about the final season of Game of Thrones after seeing a short trailer.
We are more spoiled for affordable entertainment than we have ever been, and yet it seems like people bitch more and more.
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The trailer really hit home that the show is now exactly what the author had set out to make the story NOT to be, like a satire that somehow lost its irony along the way. The point of the story is that war sucks, nothing good ever comes out of it and it shouldn't be glamorized the way it is in typical works of fiction. The fact that the final battle is against zombies looks scary, but in reality takes away, in GRRM's words, the real horror of war; that you're taking the lives of real, living people on the other side
Then there's the shot of Varys hiding in the Red Keep. This one really gave me the feels. Remember how in the first few seasons, everyone was using their brain? Remember how blind faith and plot armor isn't rewarded like it usually is in western high fantasy? This unique take on the genre is what drew me to the series in the first place. Now there's nothing left of what once was. Instead we have the chosen ones atop dragons ready for their final battle against an ultimate evil
There was never meant to be an ultimate evil (the Night King doesn't even exist outside the show and the Night's King with an "'s" is someone else entirely). The characters in this story weren't meant to be black and white. The "black" in fantasy are usually dehumanized and faceless; people who are easy to hate and easier to kill. The people in Game of Thrones were meant to be grey, each with their own complexities and sympathetic in their own ways. This is all to drive home the point that people you fight in war are human. But since the books ran out, everyone has been flocking to the extremely good or evil sides of the spectrum. So much that I'm seeing the same personality over multiple characters
The upcoming finale feels like it's going to be such a desecration of the original work and its message. There is no "game" in Game of Thrones anymore. All the players died nonsensically or became nonsensical. All that's left is Zombies vs Dragons. Isn't it a better fitting title for what the trailer is selling us? Both invoke the thought of pure fight choreography and CGI. We already found out last season how many plot holes they were willing to open up just to show us a CGI zombie ice dragon
I really like what you wrote here. I totally agree that there is no "Game" played anymore, other than perhaps that last bit of treason Cersei and potentially Euron have planned. The scene with Varys is indeed an indication that the cerebral players have given way to muscle and plot-armor.
However, there is one thing that you mentioned that i don't agree with. And that is that the author didn't plan to have it end this way, or that there was never a plan for an "ultimate evil". I understand where you are coming from and i would really like it to be as you said, however it is a fantasy novel series and they do tend to have a main antagonist at the end. GRRM himself has stated that he has been inspired by Tolkien, so it is not out of the ordinary to have something more "easy-to-digest" planned as the end.
We cannot know for a fact what he has planned, though i do believe the books will do a better job at delivering quality (if he ever gets to finish them).
So thumbs up from me, but i think you may be jumping to conclusions that are too optimistic over what the writer has planned.
People, please... We've had season 5, 6 and 7 to know how downhill things have gone. OP is not magically complaining at all.
But... as MatthiasL3791 said, GRRM is not innocent in all of this. Not just because he is an incredibly slow writer, but because he seems to be taking every chance he gets to stuff his book with filler. It's enjoyable, don't get me wrong, but it makes both the fandom and the show suffer. And then he will say something hypocritical like being against fanfiction, even though it's his fault people are taking his setting and finishing it for him. I'd be much more worried if people stopped writing fanfiction, George, because that's when your fandom stopped feeling like waiting for you and moved on to something else.
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Ok, ok, now seriously, I fully agree with you NightCrawl3r and I made two threads about this topic already on Hearthpwn some time ago. After watching the last trailer, an idea I haven't shared yet with anyone online about a possible and somewhat "logical" ending of the series came to my mind, and I hope to be right for the sake of it. Here it is:
Some gods in Game of Thrones have played a fundamental role in the series so far, but always behind the scenes and they have never fully manifested. I'm especially talking about the Many-Faced God and the Lord of Light, but there are other gods we know very well like the God of the Seven (also known as the New Gods) and the Old Gods of the Forest (also known only as the Old Gods). What if the entire series is a somewhat siniester plan of the gods? What if the Night's King and his army are in fact a final desire of the gods to judge the living and the dead alike? What if Arya Stark is running from the spirits or corpses of those she had killed using her special abilities granted by the Many-Faced God, at the begining of the last trailer? That some (or something) have been handled some of the invisible threads of the events of the series, making all the characters just mere pawns at the end of the day (yeah, including Petyr Baelish ;)), seems very fitting to me for a series like Game of Thrones, and who better than the gods for that? ;)
I know this theory of mine is nothing new and special in media (we have seen several times this kind of plots in videogames, television, books, movies, etc.), but at least it seems to be better (at least for me) than just a battle between zombies and dragons. :P
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Ok, ok, now seriously, I fully agree with you NightCrawl3r and I made two threads about this topic already on Hearthpwn some time ago. After watching the last trailer, an idea I haven't shared yet with anyone online about a possible and somewhat "logical" ending of the series came to my mind, and I hope to be right for the sake of it. Here it is:
Some gods in Game of Thrones have played a fundamental role in the series so far, but always behind the scenes and they have never fully manifested. I'm especially talking about the Many-Faced God and the Lord of Light, but there are other gods we know very well like the God of the Seven (also known as the New Gods) and the Old Gods of the Forest (also known only as the Old Gods). What if the entire series is a somewhat siniester plan of the gods? What if the Night's King and his army are in fact a final desire of the gods to judge the living and the dead alike? What if Arya Stark is running from the spirits or corpses of those she had killed using her special abilities granted by the Many-Faced God, at the begining of the last trailer? That some (or something) have been handled some of the invisible threads of the events of the series, making all the characters just mere pawns at the end of the day (yeah, including Petyr Baelish ;)), seems very fitting to me for a series like Game of Thrones, and who better than the gods for that? ;)
I know this theory of mine is nothing new and special in media (we have seen several times this kind of plots in videogames, television, books, movies, etc.), but at least it seems to be better (at least for me) than just a battle between zombies and dragons. :P
The world never changes. That's the thing. The biggest clichè of the world.
All think that those are imagination power of GRRM. He just copied historical beliefsand cultural motives with fantasy elements and put "noone is pure good or evil" term in the serie. That's all.
and That's why i'm saying "guys, stop scrutinising, just try to enjoy."
Ok I know, noone has to know some cultural values and how they reflect in the serie, but hey, Song of Ice and Fire didn't give anything we don't know. It just shined because it is able to surprise people unlike most of other fantasy clichès.
btw, I was not about nordic, european mythology or sth. I know that noone teaches you some old cultures. That's like forbidden in your countries, and some guy like GRRM studies them, decorate them with fantasy elements and approach it to european culture, kind of mixing them together and serves you. That's the thing.
Don'T get me wrong, I love GoT and Song of Ice and Fire, more than you can imagine, I watched all seasons more than thrice and read the books twice, Just trying to say;
It is unworthy to scrutinising, predicting etc. It just will cause you to feel worse when you expect more.
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SHERMAN, LORD OF HEARTHPWN, CONQUEROR OF PLEBS, OBEY THE CALL OF THIS THREAD!
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Ok, ok, now seriously, I fully agree with you NightCrawl3r and I made two threads about this topic already on Hearthpwn some time ago. After watching the last trailer, an idea I haven't shared yet with anyone online about a possible and somewhat "logical" ending of the series came to my mind, and I hope to be right for the sake of it. Here it is:
Some gods in Game of Thrones have played a fundamental role in the series so far, but always behind the scenes and they have never fully manifested. I'm especially talking about the Many-Faced God and the Lord of Light, but there are other gods we know very well like the God of the Seven (also known as the New Gods) and the Old Gods of the Forest (also known only as the Old Gods). What if the entire series is a somewhat siniester plan of the gods? What if the Night's King and his army are in fact a final desire of the gods to judge the living and the dead alike? What if Arya Stark is running from the spirits or corpses of those she had killed using her special abilities granted by the Many-Faced God, at the begining of the last trailer? That some (or something) have been handled some of the invisible threads of the events of the series, making all the characters just mere pawns at the end of the day (yeah, including Petyr Baelish ;)), seems very fitting to me for a series like Game of Thrones, and who better than the gods for that? ;)
I know this theory of mine is nothing new and special in media (we have seen several times this kind of plots in videogames, television, books, movies, etc.), but at least it seems to be better (at least for me) than just a battle between zombies and dragons. :P
The world never changes. That's the thing. The biggest clichè of the world.
All think that those are imagination power of GRRM. He just copied historical beliefsand cultural motives with fantasy elements and put "noone is pure good or evil" term in the serie. That's all.
and That's why i'm saying "guys, stop scrutinising, just try to enjoy."
Ok I know, noone has to know some cultural values and how they reflect in the serie, but hey, Song of Ice and Fire didn't give anything we don't know. It just shined because it is able to surprise people unlike most of other fantasy clichès.
btw, I was not about nordic, european mythology or sth. I know that noone teaches you some old cultures. That's like forbidden in your countries, and some guy like GRRM studies them, decorate them with fantasy elements and approach it to european culture, kind of mixing them together and serves you. That's the thing.
Don'T get me wrong, I love GoT and Song of Ice and Fire, more than you can imagine, I watched all seasons more than thrice and read the books twice, Just trying to say;
It is unworthy to scrutinising, predicting etc. It just will cause you to feel worse when you expect more.
Try to enjoy how it is.
Yeah, it's one of the biggest cliché ever, I fully agree, but sometimes what is important about something is how you do it and not how it is (you even said it yourself, when talking about a Song of Ice and Fire). For example, there was nothing new and special about the entire plot of the Lord of the Rings trilogy for most people, and yet the three movies were and are still considered fantastic ones by many.
Also, I see nothing wrong about scrutinising, predicting, etc. If we end up dissapointed by the end of Game of Thrones because of that, so be it, things like that are already part of life, dude. ;)
SHERMAN, LORD OF HEARTHPWN, CONQUEROR OF PLEBS, OBEY THE CALL OF THIS THREAD!
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Ok, ok, now seriously, I fully agree with you NightCrawl3r and I made two threads about this topic already on Hearthpwn some time ago. After watching the last trailer, an idea I haven't shared yet with anyone online about a possible and somewhat "logical" ending of the series came to my mind, and I hope to be right for the sake of it. Here it is:
Some gods in Game of Thrones have played a fundamental role in the series so far, but always behind the scenes and they have never fully manifested. I'm especially talking about the Many-Faced God and the Lord of Light, but there are other gods we know very well like the God of the Seven (also known as the New Gods) and the Old Gods of the Forest (also known only as the Old Gods). What if the entire series is a somewhat siniester plan of the gods? What if the Night's King and his army are in fact a final desire of the gods to judge the living and the dead alike? What if Arya Stark is running from the spirits or corpses of those she had killed using her special abilities granted by the Many-Faced God, at the begining of the last trailer? That some (or something) have been handled some of the invisible threads of the events of the series, making all the characters just mere pawns at the end of the day (yeah, including Petyr Baelish ;)), seems very fitting to me for a series like Game of Thrones, and who better than the gods for that? ;)
I know this theory of mine is nothing new and special in media (we have seen several times this kind of plots in videogames, television, books, movies, etc.), but at least it seems to be better (at least for me) than just a battle between zombies and dragons. :P
The world never changes. That's the thing. The biggest clichè of the world.
All think that those are imagination power of GRRM. He just copied historical beliefsand cultural motives with fantasy elements and put "noone is pure good or evil" term in the serie. That's all.
and That's why i'm saying "guys, stop scrutinising, just try to enjoy."
Ok I know, noone has to know some cultural values and how they reflect in the serie, but hey, Song of Ice and Fire didn't give anything we don't know. It just shined because it is able to surprise people unlike most of other fantasy clichès.
btw, I was not about nordic, european mythology or sth. I know that noone teaches you some old cultures. That's like forbidden in your countries, and some guy like GRRM studies them, decorate them with fantasy elements and approach it to european culture, kind of mixing them together and serves you. That's the thing.
Don'T get me wrong, I love GoT and Song of Ice and Fire, more than you can imagine, I watched all seasons more than thrice and read the books twice, Just trying to say;
It is unworthy to scrutinising, predicting etc. It just will cause you to feel worse when you expect more.
Try to enjoy how it is.
Yeah, it's one of the biggest cliché ever, I fully agree, but sometimes what is important about something is how you do it and not how it is (you even said it yourself, when talking about a Song of Ice and Fire). For example, there was nothing new and special about the entire plot of the Lord of the Rings trilogy for most people, and yet the three movies were and are still considered fantastic ones by many.
Also, I see nothing wrong about scrutinising, predicting, etc. If we end up dissapointed by the end of Game of Thrones because of that, so be it, things like that are already part of life, dude. ;)
yeah, at the end of the day, if you enjoyed and entertained even from being disappointed, nothing really matters. You're right.
but pls, don't enter that "that's the life" clichè. :D
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SHERMAN, LORD OF HEARTHPWN, CONQUEROR OF PLEBS, OBEY THE CALL OF THIS THREAD!
I have finally arrived, guys!!! XD XD XD XD XD
Ok, ok, now seriously, I fully agree with you NightCrawl3r and I made two threads about this topic already on Hearthpwn some time ago. After watching the last trailer, an idea I haven't shared yet with anyone online about a possible and somewhat "logical" ending of the series came to my mind, and I hope to be right for the sake of it. Here it is:
Some gods in Game of Thrones have played a fundamental role in the series so far, but always behind the scenes and they have never fully manifested. I'm especially talking about the Many-Faced God and the Lord of Light, but there are other gods we know very well like the God of the Seven (also known as the New Gods) and the Old Gods of the Forest (also known only as the Old Gods). What if the entire series is a somewhat siniester plan of the gods? What if the Night's King and his army are in fact a final desire of the gods to judge the living and the dead alike? What if Arya Stark is running from the spirits or corpses of those she had killed using her special abilities granted by the Many-Faced God, at the begining of the last trailer? That some (or something) have been handled some of the invisible threads of the events of the series, making all the characters just mere pawns at the end of the day (yeah, including Petyr Baelish ;)), seems very fitting to me for a series like Game of Thrones, and who better than the gods for that? ;)
I know this theory of mine is nothing new and special in media (we have seen several times this kind of plots in videogames, television, books, movies, etc.), but at least it seems to be better (at least for me) than just a battle between zombies and dragons. :P
The world never changes. That's the thing. The biggest clichè of the world.
All think that those are imagination power of GRRM. He just copied historical beliefsand cultural motives with fantasy elements and put "noone is pure good or evil" term in the serie. That's all.
and That's why i'm saying "guys, stop scrutinising, just try to enjoy."
Ok I know, noone has to know some cultural values and how they reflect in the serie, but hey, Song of Ice and Fire didn't give anything we don't know. It just shined because it is able to surprise people unlike most of other fantasy clichès.
btw, I was not about nordic, european mythology or sth. I know that noone teaches you some old cultures. That's like forbidden in your countries, and some guy like GRRM studies them, decorate them with fantasy elements and approach it to european culture, kind of mixing them together and serves you. That's the thing.
Don'T get me wrong, I love GoT and Song of Ice and Fire, more than you can imagine, I watched all seasons more than thrice and read the books twice, Just trying to say;
It is unworthy to scrutinising, predicting etc. It just will cause you to feel worse when you expect more.
Try to enjoy how it is.
Yeah, it's one of the biggest cliché ever, I fully agree, but sometimes what is important about something is how you do it and not how it is (you even said it yourself, when talking about a Song of Ice and Fire). For example, there was nothing new and special about the entire plot of the Lord of the Rings trilogy for most people, and yet the three movies were and are still considered fantastic ones by many.
Also, I see nothing wrong about scrutinising, predicting, etc. If we end up dissapointed by the end of Game of Thrones because of that, so be it, things like that are already part of life, dude. ;)
yeah, at the end of the day, if you enjoyed and entertained even from being disappointed, nothing really matters. You're right.
but pls, don't enter that "that's the life" clichè. :D
Yeah, that's another cliché, but it's also the truth and that's all that matters. ;)
Oh, guys, did you know Amazon Studios is planning on making a Lord of the Rings series for television? I'm so excited about it, I can't wait!!! :D :D :D
We won't have to cry at the end of Game of Thrones because the new Lord of the Rings series is going to fill our empty hearts!!! :D :D :D
Oh, guys, did you know Amazon Studios is planning on making a Lord of the Rings series for television? I'm so excited about it, I can't wait!!! :D :D :D
We won't have to cry at the end of Game of Thrones because the new Lord of the Rings series is going to fill our empty hearts!!! :D :D :D
They are apparently also making a Wheel of Time tv show, FWIW.
And Netflix is making the Witcher.
Also, HBO will make eleven game of thrones spinoffs and milk this franchise bone dry, so you will have GoT to watch until you can't possibly watch anymore.
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Season 5-8 have few moments of the GoT we love, like The Battle Of Bastards but is shite for the most part.
Imo, the series peaked at 4.2. After that, it grows worse and worse with just some bright spots here and there (mostly just scenes).
I also think GRRM does not know how to end his own book series, and/or cannot find an appealing ending, and/or there is NO right ending at all. Basically, he does not really care anymore.
And you can be a fan of a great writer, but have no clue of his/her real points of strength, hence being totally unable to keep drawing the line in the same way, if at all.
This gives way to a banalized tv series, which is only carried by the perspective of incomes.
I will watch the last season, hoping it it w be at least decent. But i already feel i will be disappointed yet again.
Agreed.
It's all about fan service now and paying off the most popular fan theories.
“We absolutely can and MUST complain!!!”
oooh, entitles much?
Sure, go ahead. But some people don’t have to complain. I’ll enjoy the show and this game with a beer and a snack and get on with my fucking life
Mmmmmmm.... Shadowy thoughts.
Can't wait for Sherman1986 to join the party.
I bought the box containing season 1-3 many many years ago. Let's put it this way. I will not be buying ANYTHING more from GoT. Season 5 and onwards is not "OMG! LEGENDARY QUALITY!". Just... Okey and mediocre.
I really hate this argument. You don't have to be a chef to see that your meal is burned, nor do you have to be a roofer to see your roof is uneven etc. That's all I wanted to say. Peace.
I hate that argument too. But sometimes (when you are miserable or person who you are trying to make him understand is miserable) you just need to use that.
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As for the show, well you cannot help it. Martin is genius and Machiavelli's fan, so his story is intricate with amazing depth and grey characters. The show producers are fans of his work but they have not his talent. Plus Martin himself has said that he has no idea how to progress his story now that the show has surpassed his books. If he goes on with what he had envisioned, the show becomes obsolete because of changes made by the producers. If he follows the show's plot, then there will be a tons of plot holes as there are so many characters in the books which he cannot simply just forget about them. Like my favourite, Cold Hands!
It's a shity situation, maybe after a decade or so when the show will be kinda forgotten, the books will be published and we will have our answer. Assuming he will be still alive :P
"Give them an inch, they'll take a mile"
I really like what you wrote here. I totally agree that there is no "Game" played anymore, other than perhaps that last bit of treason Cersei and potentially Euron have planned. The scene with Varys is indeed an indication that the cerebral players have given way to muscle and plot-armor.
However, there is one thing that you mentioned that i don't agree with. And that is that the author didn't plan to have it end this way, or that there was never a plan for an "ultimate evil". I understand where you are coming from and i would really like it to be as you said, however it is a fantasy novel series and they do tend to have a main antagonist at the end. GRRM himself has stated that he has been inspired by Tolkien, so it is not out of the ordinary to have something more "easy-to-digest" planned as the end.
We cannot know for a fact what he has planned, though i do believe the books will do a better job at delivering quality (if he ever gets to finish them).
So thumbs up from me, but i think you may be jumping to conclusions that are too optimistic over what the writer has planned.
"You can't complain about S8 before seeing it!!!"
People, please... We've had season 5, 6 and 7 to know how downhill things have gone. OP is not magically complaining at all.
But... as MatthiasL3791 said, GRRM is not innocent in all of this. Not just because he is an incredibly slow writer, but because he seems to be taking every chance he gets to stuff his book with filler. It's enjoyable, don't get me wrong, but it makes both the fandom and the show suffer. And then he will say something hypocritical like being against fanfiction, even though it's his fault people are taking his setting and finishing it for him. I'd be much more worried if people stopped writing fanfiction, George, because that's when your fandom stopped feeling like waiting for you and moved on to something else.
Start of Year: Provoke the failure of 3 expansions, force nerfs on otherwise balanced cards, bring deckbuilding to an all-time low and get rotated one year earlier for being such a threat to the game's health.
- Genn and Baku's historical entry on the White Book of Shit Design, shortly before retiring unpunished
I have finally arrived, guys!!! XD XD XD XD XD
Ok, ok, now seriously, I fully agree with you NightCrawl3r and I made two threads about this topic already on Hearthpwn some time ago. After watching the last trailer, an idea I haven't shared yet with anyone online about a possible and somewhat "logical" ending of the series came to my mind, and I hope to be right for the sake of it. Here it is:
Some gods in Game of Thrones have played a fundamental role in the series so far, but always behind the scenes and they have never fully manifested. I'm especially talking about the Many-Faced God and the Lord of Light, but there are other gods we know very well like the God of the Seven (also known as the New Gods) and the Old Gods of the Forest (also known only as the Old Gods). What if the entire series is a somewhat siniester plan of the gods? What if the Night's King and his army are in fact a final desire of the gods to judge the living and the dead alike? What if Arya Stark is running from the spirits or corpses of those she had killed using her special abilities granted by the Many-Faced God, at the begining of the last trailer? That some (or something) have been handled some of the invisible threads of the events of the series, making all the characters just mere pawns at the end of the day (yeah, including Petyr Baelish ;)), seems very fitting to me for a series like Game of Thrones, and who better than the gods for that? ;)
I know this theory of mine is nothing new and special in media (we have seen several times this kind of plots in videogames, television, books, movies, etc.), but at least it seems to be better (at least for me) than just a battle between zombies and dragons. :P
The world never changes. That's the thing.
The biggest clichè of the world.
All think that those are imagination power of GRRM. He just copied historical beliefsand cultural motives with fantasy elements and put "noone is pure good or evil" term in the serie. That's all.
and That's why i'm saying "guys, stop scrutinising, just try to enjoy."
Ok I know, noone has to know some cultural values and how they reflect in the serie, but hey, Song of Ice and Fire didn't give anything we don't know. It just shined because it is able to surprise people unlike most of other fantasy clichès.
btw, I was not about nordic, european mythology or sth. I know that noone teaches you some old cultures. That's like forbidden in your countries, and some guy like GRRM studies them, decorate them with fantasy elements and approach it to european culture, kind of mixing them together and serves you. That's the thing.
Don'T get me wrong, I love GoT and Song of Ice and Fire, more than you can imagine, I watched all seasons more than thrice and read the books twice, Just trying to say;
It is unworthy to scrutinising, predicting etc. It just will cause you to feel worse when you expect more.
Try to enjoy how it is.
Memedeck-seeker. Always tries to build new decks. Hates tournements, streamers, netdecks and poor-o players.
ah, but a tournement mode could be great !!!
Yeah, it's one of the biggest cliché ever, I fully agree, but sometimes what is important about something is how you do it and not how it is (you even said it yourself, when talking about a Song of Ice and Fire). For example, there was nothing new and special about the entire plot of the Lord of the Rings trilogy for most people, and yet the three movies were and are still considered fantastic ones by many.
Also, I see nothing wrong about scrutinising, predicting, etc. If we end up dissapointed by the end of Game of Thrones because of that, so be it, things like that are already part of life, dude. ;)
I will never forget The Battle of the Bastards, I cried like a baby when Sansa killled Ramsay. :(
yeah, at the end of the day, if you enjoyed and entertained even from being disappointed, nothing really matters. You're right.
but pls, don't enter that "that's the life" clichè. :D
Memedeck-seeker. Always tries to build new decks. Hates tournements, streamers, netdecks and poor-o players.
ah, but a tournement mode could be great !!!
Yeah, that's another cliché, but it's also the truth and that's all that matters. ;)
Oh, guys, did you know Amazon Studios is planning on making a Lord of the Rings series for television? I'm so excited about it, I can't wait!!! :D :D :D
We won't have to cry at the end of Game of Thrones because the new Lord of the Rings series is going to fill our empty hearts!!! :D :D :D
They are apparently also making a Wheel of Time tv show, FWIW.
And Netflix is making the Witcher.
Also, HBO will make eleven game of thrones spinoffs and milk this franchise bone dry, so you will have GoT to watch until you can't possibly watch anymore.