So far, who do you think has been the weakest class post rotation?
For me, I have to say druid- and no surprise. After they nerfed nearly every strong Druid card, they really don't have the ability to deal with a lot of the top tier decks as they lack good card draw (nourish is sloooooow), AOE, or anti-aggro tools. They also struggle against control decks as they just don't generate enough value. But HEY maybe someone will find a killer druid deck and prove me wrong who knows?! What do you think?
I'd have to say Mage. Yes i know there are still a lot of viable mage decks out there they are all sub-par after the rotation. for example tempo mage no longer has any tempo swing cards. Freeze mage lost their early game presence without mad scientist. A lot of people are playing Yogg mage where the win condition is cast a bunch of random spells that may or may not lose you the game
Beast Druid is super strong right now, it plays out kinda similar to Aggro Druid even with the lost of FoN. C'Thun Druid is OK but it gets bodied by Miracle Rogue so hard, so probably not a top pick for ladder.
Hunter and Priest are definitely 2 worst classes. Midrange Hunter has too weak early game for this meta (Zoo, Shaman, Rogue easily out-tempo and kill Hunter before Call of the Wild turn). Priest loses too much (Chow, Velen, Deathlord, Lightbomb, etc.) while gains nothing really special.
Right now only rogues and priests have a sub-50% win rate. This might partly be due to the fact that these are the 2 harder classes to play, but stats don't lie.
As weird as it sounds, I'd say Hunter is actually bottom of the totem pole. Despite the fact that there are ZERO Priest decks in the upcoming Americas Prelims, it's still a solid class that takes advantage of aggro metas when they spike up. Dragon Priest is still a very solid tempo deck with a good draw.
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From what I've seen, I think beast druid is above average, but a tad too inconsistent. If you're going to play an aggro deck, might as well play THE aggro deck (hello Thrall).
Midrange hunter does suffer against aggro, but can beat them with a good curve, and is really solid vs control. It is similar to the midrange hunter of old- not overpowering, but has the ability to be competitive in about any matchup with good draw. Though I agree hunter is one of the weaker classes (weakest?)
Priest has some issues, but N'Zoth priest is actually really solid. It has the ability to control all but the strongest aggro starts, and has the ability to outlast pretty much every control deck, with a very strong match up vs. Paladin. ............ but it is completely held in check by the power of Miracle Rogue. That match up is nearly insta-lose. Borderline freeze mage vs control warrior. lol.
As a few other people mentioned the only class to not make an appearance in the America Preliminaries was the Priest class. Dragon, Burst/Control (Auchenai Soul Priest Finisher), and N'zoth are the three primary decks being played right now by Priest and none of them. Hunters despite popular opinion are doing quite well right now on ladder, the main problem is people find the current hunter meta decks boring to play as they dont require much thinking. If you are asking however not about which is currently the weakest (Priest) but which one has decreased in power the most since the rotation that would easily be Druid since half their cards got nerfed and they were not given much in the way of broken cards like Shaman were in WotOG
I think the new midrange hunter is great. Besides, has anyone seen a really strong mage deck out there?
Indeed, there are some viable decks flying around, but not strong enough to compete for the top tier lists. Could be Freeze mage , but since Standard was released it lost almost half of its potential.
Agreed that hunter is underrated, albeit a boring class, but i think it may be doomed to always be a boring aggro to midrange class because of his aggressive hero power looking to end games early.... unless they release some pretty interesting mechanics. Prove me wrong Blizzard! ... Poor priest has never really been that strong in the meta. lol.
Tempo Mage is doing OK in this meta. It doesn't have insta-win or lose match-ups, it's above average and performs consistently.
Freeze Mage is much harder to play than before with the lost of Scientist (definitely THE HARDEST deck to play right now). Still Freeze is a pretty decent deck as it has positive match-ups vs. Rogue and Zoo, which are popular. Still I wouldn't recommend playing it unless you're really experienced with the playstyle.
I disagree. Freeze Mage got easier, because combo Druid doesn't exist anymore and you don't have to play around Loatheb. There's not as many annoying Deathrattle minions out there either, so you don't have to think much before dropping a Doomsayer combo. In addition to that, you don't have to play around Secret tech cards , because Freeze Mage is one of the few decks in standard that actually does run Secrets. On the contrary side we have the high popularity of Flamewreathed Faceless, Cairne and Ragnaros, which are all excellent minions against Freeze Mage, so I wouldn't say that it's the best combo deck right now either.
The hardest decks would be classic Control Priest and Miracle Rogue, the latter performing incredibly well right now despite the low win rate of the Rogue class in general. Miracle borders on the realm of brokenness, because almost no deck can deal with a Stealthed Auctioneer. They Sap your Taunts and keep pushing for damage with their threats and even if you clear anything, they can still have a ton of burst from hand with Leeroy.
Weakest class for me right now is Hunter, because they lack early tempo. Savannah Highmane and Call of the Wild are insane cards, but they work best if you already have the tempo and force the enemy to trade. Playing them from behind is not very appealing, so the class feels quite weak imo. It should be very strong against Control decks though.
2nd weakest class to me are Druids, because their game plan is just insanely linear. They get hurt very hard by efficient removal for big targets and can't get back the tempo once they lost it.
Priest is an anti-meta class, as it's been for a while now. Almost every card in Priest is a tech card, so it naturally performs better as soon as everyone netdecked the best decks out there. It destroys N'Zoth Paladin in the current meta, which is very popular and it also deals fairly well with Shaman. I don't think it can ever be a bad class, unless 4 attack minions are all the rage, which is currently not the case.
I put down priest. The class has no early game and terrible draw mechanics right now. Cleric is just not very good and many priest decks are dropping her. The class basically relies on having 1 or 2 board clears to survive until late game. Then once it gets to late game it can still lose simply by running out of cards.
Hunter seems to be doing quite well. They are a hard match up for a lot of classes that are strong right now.
I haven't seen a druid yet past rank 5. I don't think druids have a positive win rate. There are a ton of them at rank 6 though. I think they cap out at 5 when a lack of win streak bonuses keeps them from climbing.
Hunter. Which is just depressing considering Hunter being one of my favorite classes. While Call of the Wild was a strong addition, with the current card pool available, Hunter is forced to be a face deck or a midrange variant.
Hunter. Which is just depressing considering Hunter being one of my favorite classes. While Call of the Wild was a strong addition, with the current card pool available, Hunter is forced to be a face deck or a midrange variant.
What do you mean Hunter? It's one of the strongest classes atm. They have best 6 drop in game, best 8 drop in game, and Houndmaster is on par with shamys 4 drops at 6/5 taunt value. They also have one of the best 2 cost spells (Quick Shot in my experience has a bit over 30% chance to draw you a card (technically double less but you keep 2 ofc). It has also one of the best 3 cost cards in game (Animal Companion) and some of the best removals as well (Freezing and Hunter's). Hunter is easy Legend...
You cannot lose vs Shamans with Hunter (literally have to disconnect to lose). Friend took Legend with 78% win rate yesterday with Hunter and I am at Rank 4 (4 stars) with 80% win rate, 7-0 vs Shamans on tracker (10-0 or more off tracker in Casual) and neither of us are good, but Hunter is OP:
As for post I'd say Priest is the worst, followed by Mage, Druid and Warlock.
K? I was speaking from personal experience, and went though many renditions before arriving at a satisfactory list for myself. The poll speaks for itself, and piloting a Hunter deck isn't exactly hard. I still view it as currently the weakest class compared to Shaman and Warlock.
Right now only rogues and priests have a sub-50% win rate. This might partly be due to the fact that these are the 2 harder classes to play, but stats don't lie.
You're even mentioning yourself, those are by far the two hardest classes to play. Because of that, the numbers actually mean very little. Priest is weak now for sure, but rogue certainly isn't. The low winrate on rogue I'm very certain is due to a lot of players, that don't have a clue what they're doing, are trying to play miracle rogue. Miracle rogue is very strong, but only if you're playing it well.
It was just very strange to me as I see it as probably the best class next to Warrior... to see so opposite view that it is the worst. How did you conclude it's the worst? Vs what classes it's bad? Cos I literally destroyed every deck from the meta with ease except Rogues (3-4 vs them as the worst matchup) and I am not good player at all, nor Hunter is any hard to play as you said. Literally have 20-30 hp left each match. Just wondering how did you conclude it's the worst... what were the hard matchups for you? Which cards did you play?
EDIT: yeah just saw poll results can't believe people think Hunter is the worst... wow
When WotOG was released, I playtested a lot of the newer decks for Standard on ladder. I did well with Mage, Rogue, Warrior, Warlock, and the only class that took me multiple tries to polish was Hunter. Maybe my experience/impression from that is still stuck on me, and why I still view Hunter as having to go through an uphill climb against all the other classes. I eventually started comparing my list to Tera's (her list can be found in the front page), and only after I put in x2 Call of the Wild that my deck started doing well. I knew that card was going to be good on paper, but I didn't think it would have that much of an impact on the deck overall. Anyways, that's my little spiel on why I view the current Hunter on Standard as I do.
Druid for the reasons the Op stated, Druid has literal nothing but makeshift ramp, just compare druid's ramp with any other tcg's ramp decks and you'll see why i say makeshift, he has no good Hard removal, no AoE, no draw power and no Wincondition, Combo+ancient of lore's draw power were druid's saving grace and with both nerfed Druid is too slow to handle aggro and has no tools to deal with control.
Mage and hunter are also in a weak spot right now but they are way better than druid atm.
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So far, who do you think has been the weakest class post rotation?
For me, I have to say druid- and no surprise. After they nerfed nearly every strong Druid card, they really don't have the ability to deal with a lot of the top tier decks as they lack good card draw (nourish is sloooooow), AOE, or anti-aggro tools. They also struggle against control decks as they just don't generate enough value. But HEY maybe someone will find a killer druid deck and prove me wrong who knows?! What do you think?
Definitely Druid. There are some decent decks for druid, but overall not nearly as strong as the other classes.
Seems ok.
Does hunter even have a playable deck? At least druid has C'thun, and ramp doesn't seem all that bad either.
All other classes seem to be fairly well represented.
I'd have to say Mage. Yes i know there are still a lot of viable mage decks out there they are all sub-par after the rotation. for example tempo mage no longer has any tempo swing cards. Freeze mage lost their early game presence without mad scientist. A lot of people are playing Yogg mage where the win condition is cast a bunch of random spells that may or may not lose you the game
Beast Druid is super strong right now, it plays out kinda similar to Aggro Druid even with the lost of FoN. C'Thun Druid is OK but it gets bodied by Miracle Rogue so hard, so probably not a top pick for ladder.
Hunter and Priest are definitely 2 worst classes. Midrange Hunter has too weak early game for this meta (Zoo, Shaman, Rogue easily out-tempo and kill Hunter before Call of the Wild turn). Priest loses too much (Chow, Velen, Deathlord, Lightbomb, etc.) while gains nothing really special.
Check out the constructed stats.
Right now only rogues and priests have a sub-50% win rate. This might partly be due to the fact that these are the 2 harder classes to play, but stats don't lie.
I'd say its still hunter, though you could probably make a case for at least half the classes
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As weird as it sounds, I'd say Hunter is actually bottom of the totem pole. Despite the fact that there are ZERO Priest decks in the upcoming Americas Prelims, it's still a solid class that takes advantage of aggro metas when they spike up. Dragon Priest is still a very solid tempo deck with a good draw.
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From what I've seen, I think beast druid is above average, but a tad too inconsistent. If you're going to play an aggro deck, might as well play THE aggro deck (hello Thrall).
Midrange hunter does suffer against aggro, but can beat them with a good curve, and is really solid vs control. It is similar to the midrange hunter of old- not overpowering, but has the ability to be competitive in about any matchup with good draw. Though I agree hunter is one of the weaker classes (weakest?)
Priest has some issues, but N'Zoth priest is actually really solid. It has the ability to control all but the strongest aggro starts, and has the ability to outlast pretty much every control deck, with a very strong match up vs. Paladin. ............ but it is completely held in check by the power of Miracle Rogue. That match up is nearly insta-lose. Borderline freeze mage vs control warrior. lol.
As a few other people mentioned the only class to not make an appearance in the America Preliminaries was the Priest class. Dragon, Burst/Control (Auchenai Soul Priest Finisher), and N'zoth are the three primary decks being played right now by Priest and none of them. Hunters despite popular opinion are doing quite well right now on ladder, the main problem is people find the current hunter meta decks boring to play as they dont require much thinking. If you are asking however not about which is currently the weakest (Priest) but which one has decreased in power the most since the rotation that would easily be Druid since half their cards got nerfed and they were not given much in the way of broken cards like Shaman were in WotOG
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I think the new midrange hunter is great. Besides, has anyone seen a really strong mage deck out there?
Indeed, there are some viable decks flying around, but not strong enough to compete for the top tier lists. Could be Freeze mage , but since Standard was released it lost almost half of its potential.
Agreed that hunter is underrated, albeit a boring class, but i think it may be doomed to always be a boring aggro to midrange class because of his aggressive hero power looking to end games early.... unless they release some pretty interesting mechanics. Prove me wrong Blizzard! ... Poor priest has never really been that strong in the meta. lol.
Tempo Mage is doing OK in this meta. It doesn't have insta-win or lose match-ups, it's above average and performs consistently.
Freeze Mage is much harder to play than before with the lost of Scientist (definitely THE HARDEST deck to play right now). Still Freeze is a pretty decent deck as it has positive match-ups vs. Rogue and Zoo, which are popular. Still I wouldn't recommend playing it unless you're really experienced with the playstyle.
I disagree. Freeze Mage got easier, because combo Druid doesn't exist anymore and you don't have to play around Loatheb. There's not as many annoying Deathrattle minions out there either, so you don't have to think much before dropping a Doomsayer combo. In addition to that, you don't have to play around Secret tech cards , because Freeze Mage is one of the few decks in standard that actually does run Secrets. On the contrary side we have the high popularity of Flamewreathed Faceless, Cairne and Ragnaros, which are all excellent minions against Freeze Mage, so I wouldn't say that it's the best combo deck right now either.
The hardest decks would be classic Control Priest and Miracle Rogue, the latter performing incredibly well right now despite the low win rate of the Rogue class in general. Miracle borders on the realm of brokenness, because almost no deck can deal with a Stealthed Auctioneer. They Sap your Taunts and keep pushing for damage with their threats and even if you clear anything, they can still have a ton of burst from hand with Leeroy.
Weakest class for me right now is Hunter, because they lack early tempo. Savannah Highmane and Call of the Wild are insane cards, but they work best if you already have the tempo and force the enemy to trade. Playing them from behind is not very appealing, so the class feels quite weak imo. It should be very strong against Control decks though.
2nd weakest class to me are Druids, because their game plan is just insanely linear. They get hurt very hard by efficient removal for big targets and can't get back the tempo once they lost it.
Priest is an anti-meta class, as it's been for a while now. Almost every card in Priest is a tech card, so it naturally performs better as soon as everyone netdecked the best decks out there. It destroys N'Zoth Paladin in the current meta, which is very popular and it also deals fairly well with Shaman. I don't think it can ever be a bad class, unless 4 attack minions are all the rage, which is currently not the case.
I put down priest. The class has no early game and terrible draw mechanics right now. Cleric is just not very good and many priest decks are dropping her. The class basically relies on having 1 or 2 board clears to survive until late game. Then once it gets to late game it can still lose simply by running out of cards.
Hunter seems to be doing quite well. They are a hard match up for a lot of classes that are strong right now.
I haven't seen a druid yet past rank 5. I don't think druids have a positive win rate. There are a ton of them at rank 6 though. I think they cap out at 5 when a lack of win streak bonuses keeps them from climbing.
Hunter. Which is just depressing considering Hunter being one of my favorite classes. While Call of the Wild was a strong addition, with the current card pool available, Hunter is forced to be a face deck or a midrange variant.
Druid for the reasons the Op stated, Druid has literal nothing but makeshift ramp, just compare druid's ramp with any other tcg's ramp decks and you'll see why i say makeshift, he has no good Hard removal, no AoE, no draw power and no Wincondition, Combo+ancient of lore's draw power were druid's saving grace and with both nerfed Druid is too slow to handle aggro and has no tools to deal with control.
Mage and hunter are also in a weak spot right now but they are way better than druid atm.