Huntard isn't even a term only used in HS. It comes from wow since apparently hunters are considered dumb even there (Dunno, don't actually play wow).
I played WoW since Beta, and I can confirm the phrase came from WoW.
It was a phrase that was coined due to the frequency in which inexperienced hunters would wipe the group in dungeons or raids. The primary culprit was often their pet, which they failed to control properly.
WoWtard would be more appropriate then, since none of the classes or roles demands any mental, motorical or intellectual capacity beyond the one of an actual retard.
Well see many of the posts in the thread prove a point. Instead of just hating on the face hunter deck type or hunter class as a whole, the hate and insults is directed towards the person playing the class. Fine rage how you lose all the time to face hunters (likely why all the salty namecalling and infinite posts/threads on them exist), but isn't it pretty childish to just cry and throw personal insults at the people who are playing the decks rather than man up and agree that self improvement is necessary and the loss is one's own fault?
Essentially imagine playing a game of chess, or basketball, losing the game and then saying "Nice job retard!" Would that be appropriate? Good sportsmanship? Or does it sound more like a sore loser who can't accept their opponent was the better man or woman this match?
You're trying to argue sportsmanship in a game where people hide behind complete and total anonymity. It won't change just because of what people feel compelled to become when they anonymous (toxic, narrow minded to only their beliefs, and filled with a superiority complex).
If hearthstone was a face to face TCG then I guarantee these sort of terms would be rare/ used joking among friends, but alas, it isn't.
I personally don't hate any deck/class but I don't enjoy when their isn't any creativity involved across a majority of decks.
TL;DR E-sports/TCG's will be filled with toxicity forever because people lack the will to vent it in person.
Um, the term "Dragon Consort" is derogatory toward those within the asexual community that identify as Dragon Aspects. Check your privilege.
This is not comparable. The way retarted is used to describe Huntards strongly implies negative connotations in means to belittle the person playing a certain deck or class. Consequently, a person using that phrase implies that being retarted (in the classical sense of having an intellectual disability) in socially bad and undesired. Now this is not very fun to read if you suffer from an illness that could be described by that term. It's rather more comparable to the N-word that has ages ago has been frequently used in everyday language to belittle a person of a certain ethnicity. Today, that word is socially unacceptable due to the negative connotations implied within it, which is a very good reason.
I personally do not think we should ban the word, but I hope that its use eventually waters down. To say that people are just being overly sensitive is a bit of a bad argument, unless you yourself do suffer from a mental illness and have inside knowledge of how it feels to be on the receiving end. I mean, you wouldn't have told a colored person they're being overly sensitive if you use the N-word in a negative way in their presence and they do take offense.
OP bring up an interesting subject but I think that this is not the right type of forum to discuss such a deep linguistic and social issue as most responses will be quick and defensive. I also had hoped he would have exteneded his argument and added some actual points.
OP you are baiting just about everyone that can be agitated, if I had to guess I'd say this thread is intentionally trying to draw out the hateful posters. Yes people get upset and rage (both are very, very human emotions) and I feel sad for anyone that had mental disability (no one asked to be retarded or such) but these "retarded this" or "stupid that" is just the way some people vent out their frustration. I doubt anybody here has any REAL issue with retarded people.
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Um, the term "Dragon Consort" is derogatory toward those within the asexual community that identify as Dragon Aspects. Check your privilege.
This is not comparable. The way retarted is used to describe Huntards strongly implies negative connotations in means to belittle the person playing a certain deck or class. Consequently, a person using that phrase implies that being retarted (in the classical sense of having an intellectual disability) in socially bad and undesired. Now this is not very fun to read if you suffer from an illness that could be described by that term. It's rather more comparable to the N-word that has ages ago has been frequently used in everyday language to belittle a person of a certain ethnicity. Today, that word is socially unacceptable due to the negative connotations implied within it, which is a very good reason.
I personally do not think we should ban the word, but I hope that its use eventually waters down. To say that people are just being overly sensitive is a bit of a bad argument, unless you yourself do suffer from a mental illness and have inside knowledge of how it feels to be on the receiving end. I mean, you wouldn't have told a colored person they're being overly sensitive if you use the N-word in a negative way in their presence and they do take offense.
OP bring up an interesting subject but I think that this is not the right type of forum to discuss such a deep linguistic and social issue as most responses will be quick and defensive. I also had hoped he would have exteneded his argument and added some actual points.
I sexually Identify as an Attack Helicopter. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of soaring over the oilfields dropping hot sticky loads on disgusting foreigners. People say to me that a person being a helicopter is Impossible and I’m fucking retarded but I don’t care, I’m beautiful. I’m having a plastic surgeon install rotary blades, 30 mm cannons and AMG-114 Hellfire missiles on my body. From now on I want you guys to call me “Apache” and respect my right to kill from above and kill needlessly. If you can’t accept me you’re a heliphobe and need to check your vehicle privilege. Thank you for being so understanding.
While the term may be both derogatory and degrading, there's a specific reason behind the term, which is that the Hunter class (Face version in Hearthstone, all Hunters in WoW) is pretty mindless to play. Face Hunter? Swing face. Any Hunter on WoW? Faceroll vertically or horizontally across your keyboard and do maximum DPS (though if you want a challenge while playing Hunter in WoW, try facerolling diagonally. While it sometimes leads to a DPS loss, it makes things slightly more challenging, and occasionally leads to a DPS gain).
As Mysticjbird said, the term came from new players who almost ALWAYS played Hunter because of it's simplicity and ease of soloing the grind to max level. Most of the time, they'd bring the same mentality into a dungeon/raid as they did while questing, such as leaving their pet's Growl on auto-cast which would pull aggro from the tank and cause more work. Other times, they would fail to dismiss their pet when jumping off a ledge, which caused the pet to run throughout the dungeon until it met up with the party, while simultaneously aggroing every mob that it encountered. This led to parties dying simply because either a) the tank couldn't pull aggro on them all or b) the healer couldn't heal through the massive amounts of damage the tank would take.
When WoW first came out, it was a MAJOR pain getting groups together to run any dungeon or raid. So when something like the above-mentioned cases happened, it was extremely frustrating for the group. The term came out, and right or wrong, it stuck.
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Um, the term "Dragon Consort" is derogatory toward those within the asexual community that identify as Dragon Aspects. Check your privilege.
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You sir are being very offensive! I sexually Identify as an Attack Helicopter. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of soaring over the oilfields dropping hot sticky loads on disgusting foreigners. People say to me that a person being a helicopter is Impossible and I’m fucking retarded but I don’t care, I’m beautiful. I’m having a plastic surgeon install rotary blades, 30 mm cannons and AMG-114 Hellfire missiles on my body. From now on I want you guys to call me “Apache” and respect my right to kill from above and kill needlessly. If you can’t accept me you’re a heliphobe and need to check your vehicle privilege. Thank you for being so understanding.
I did not imply anything negative about helicopters, but killing for fun is contradictary to human right and the functions of society in general so that I would not defend
Um, the term "Dragon Consort" is derogatory toward those within the asexual community that identify as Dragon Aspects. Check your privilege.
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You sir are being very offensive! I sexually Identify as an Attack Helicopter. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of soaring over the oilfields dropping hot sticky loads on disgusting foreigners. People say to me that a person being a helicopter is Impossible and I’m fucking retarded but I don’t care, I’m beautiful. I’m having a plastic surgeon install rotary blades, 30 mm cannons and AMG-114 Hellfire missiles on my body. From now on I want you guys to call me “Apache” and respect my right to kill from above and kill needlessly. If you can’t accept me you’re a heliphobe and need to check your vehicle privilege. Thank you for being so understanding.
I did not imply anything negative about helicopters, but killing for fun is contradictary to human right and the functions of society in general so that I would not defend
Then don't play HS where the ultimate goal is to kill your opponent.
I think it is fairly easy to see why the belittling and demeaning name calling of people who play hunter, primarily of the face variety, is done.
1. It is the cheapest competitive deck to craft, therefore this is a deck that is open to everyone and for newer players or players with smaller collections perhaps the only competitive deck they have the cards to play. This in itself frustrates many players with larger collections who crafted a high cost control warrior or other type of control deck, in so many words, why should this cheap to craft deck be able to even compete with my much pricier deck. Pay to win right? Also being common, in general people don't like seeing a lot of a type of deck, so right now the secret paladin is all over so it gets a lot of hate. Hunters will always be popular, because it is by far the cheapest class cost wise to play. So they will never be scarce.
2. As we see with the million whine or this or that is OP threads cluttering the forums, many players can't accept that they lost due to poor play. They must blame something outside their control. With hunter, they blame the pilot. Well he is just a retard playing an easy deck, that is the only reason he won. Many people in competitive games have large but fragile egos.
3. Acceptance. Since the general community has accepted the term 'huntard' or face roll hunter to describe hunter players, everyone is okay saying it. Just like whites calling blacks the 'n' word a long time ago, or the use of the word starting with 'f' to describe gays, or the word starting with 's' to describe mexicans.
Hopefully people can look deeper within themselves and contemplate why they feel calling people who play a class in a card game retards is perfectly okay.
This thread spiraled out of control quickly unfortunately. /locked
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Definitely agree with OP, it's pretty demeaning to imply that retarded people are anywhere near as dumb as face hunters.
WoWtard would be more appropriate then, since none of the classes or roles demands any mental, motorical or intellectual capacity beyond the one of an actual retard.
Well see many of the posts in the thread prove a point. Instead of just hating on the face hunter deck type or hunter class as a whole, the hate and insults is directed towards the person playing the class. Fine rage how you lose all the time to face hunters (likely why all the salty namecalling and infinite posts/threads on them exist), but isn't it pretty childish to just cry and throw personal insults at the people who are playing the decks rather than man up and agree that self improvement is necessary and the loss is one's own fault?
Essentially imagine playing a game of chess, or basketball, losing the game and then saying "Nice job retard!" Would that be appropriate? Good sportsmanship? Or does it sound more like a sore loser who can't accept their opponent was the better man or woman this match?
You're trying to argue sportsmanship in a game where people hide behind complete and total anonymity. It won't change just because of what people feel compelled to become when they anonymous (toxic, narrow minded to only their beliefs, and filled with a superiority complex).
If hearthstone was a face to face TCG then I guarantee these sort of terms would be rare/ used joking among friends, but alas, it isn't.
I personally don't hate any deck/class but I don't enjoy when their isn't any creativity involved across a majority of decks.
TL;DR E-sports/TCG's will be filled with toxicity forever because people lack the will to vent it in person.
OP you are baiting just about everyone that can be agitated, if I had to guess I'd say this thread is intentionally trying to draw out the hateful posters. Yes people get upset and rage (both are very, very human emotions) and I feel sad for anyone that had mental disability (no one asked to be retarded or such) but these "retarded this" or "stupid that" is just the way some people vent out their frustration. I doubt anybody here has any REAL issue with retarded people.
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You forgot accurate in the title.
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While the term may be both derogatory and degrading, there's a specific reason behind the term, which is that the Hunter class (Face version in Hearthstone, all Hunters in WoW) is pretty mindless to play. Face Hunter? Swing face. Any Hunter on WoW? Faceroll vertically or horizontally across your keyboard and do maximum DPS (though if you want a challenge while playing Hunter in WoW, try facerolling diagonally. While it sometimes leads to a DPS loss, it makes things slightly more challenging, and occasionally leads to a DPS gain).
As Mysticjbird said, the term came from new players who almost ALWAYS played Hunter because of it's simplicity and ease of soloing the grind to max level. Most of the time, they'd bring the same mentality into a dungeon/raid as they did while questing, such as leaving their pet's Growl on auto-cast which would pull aggro from the tank and cause more work. Other times, they would fail to dismiss their pet when jumping off a ledge, which caused the pet to run throughout the dungeon until it met up with the party, while simultaneously aggroing every mob that it encountered. This led to parties dying simply because either a) the tank couldn't pull aggro on them all or b) the healer couldn't heal through the massive amounts of damage the tank would take.
When WoW first came out, it was a MAJOR pain getting groups together to run any dungeon or raid. So when something like the above-mentioned cases happened, it was extremely frustrating for the group. The term came out, and right or wrong, it stuck.
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I think it is fairly easy to see why the belittling and demeaning name calling of people who play hunter, primarily of the face variety, is done.
1. It is the cheapest competitive deck to craft, therefore this is a deck that is open to everyone and for newer players or players with smaller collections perhaps the only competitive deck they have the cards to play. This in itself frustrates many players with larger collections who crafted a high cost control warrior or other type of control deck, in so many words, why should this cheap to craft deck be able to even compete with my much pricier deck. Pay to win right? Also being common, in general people don't like seeing a lot of a type of deck, so right now the secret paladin is all over so it gets a lot of hate. Hunters will always be popular, because it is by far the cheapest class cost wise to play. So they will never be scarce.
2. As we see with the million whine or this or that is OP threads cluttering the forums, many players can't accept that they lost due to poor play. They must blame something outside their control. With hunter, they blame the pilot. Well he is just a retard playing an easy deck, that is the only reason he won. Many people in competitive games have large but fragile egos.
3. Acceptance. Since the general community has accepted the term 'huntard' or face roll hunter to describe hunter players, everyone is okay saying it. Just like whites calling blacks the 'n' word a long time ago, or the use of the word starting with 'f' to describe gays, or the word starting with 's' to describe mexicans.
Hopefully people can look deeper within themselves and contemplate why they feel calling people who play a class in a card game retards is perfectly okay.
Way to stand up for the tards.
This thread spiraled out of control quickly unfortunately. /locked
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