This was what was happening to me this most recent season: 1) Climb to Rank 8 with Face Hunter (somewhat aggravating at times because it feels like I need a strong hand and it depends largely on the opponent not finding a solution quick enough)
2) I deep down want to play Patron but when I queue with it I drop down to ranks 10-14 quickly
3) I would repeat the above sequence over and over
4) I cashed in on Secret Paladin and was able to climb to Rank 5 with a 33-11 record. Since, at Rank 5 people seem to know how to play against this and my record is now 37-20 which is not very impressive.
What to do? I've read in countless places that if you can climb to Rank 5 that you can climb to Legend but I feel like the games are impossibly difficult here. Yes, I am using a tracker.
Should I just play decks I find enjoyable? As queuing them in casual does not feel the same and hence, I cannot learn them as well. I did secure the golden epic at rank 5 but the Legend climb feels like it eludes me. I am 2 months new into the game.
5) As an aside, I find arena extremely distasteful. It's boring and such a grind. I can average anywhere from 0-4 wins. At times, I go 6 wins if I get a god draft. However, even with 0 wins you get a pack + 25 dust which nets out to be more than buying packs as 1 pack of duplicates (1 rare + 4 commons works out to be 40 dust).
I've played for a year and a half. I've made it to rank 5 probably 4 or 5 times but never to legend. Tbh it's honestly out of a lack of trying. You have to put in a lot of effort to get the last few ranks and the only reward is a card back. I prefer to have fun and play decks I enjoy once I've secured the golden epic from rank 5 instead of just using my grinding deck (mech shaman).
try to climb legend with a deck what you consider "fun" to play.. thats it.. I find my CW very fun to play, I enjoy it a lot, so I climb with that. If you think freeze mage is fun, climb with that. If you find tempo mage is fun, play that. At the end you will see how it goes, and there is always the possibility to reach legend.
I've read in countless places that if you can climb to Rank 5 that you can climb to Legend but I feel like the games are impossibly difficult here. Yes, I am using a tracker.
This is absolutely not true. To get from rank 5 to legend, you need 25 more wins than losses. Doesn't sound like much, but it's not easy. Even if you can maintain a ~60% winrate (which gets harder as you get closer to legend and the competition grows stiffer), it might still take a couple hundred games. And, obviously, maintaining a high winrate near legend rank requires that you either be substantially more skilled than the average player at those ranks (i.e. one of the best in the game) or have a brilliant, meta-breaking list that counters all the popular decks.
What to do? I've read in countless places that if you can climb to Rank 5 that you can climb to Legend but I feel like the games are impossibly difficult here. Yes, I am using a tracker.
You can read that quite often, I know, but It is a myth imho: As your grind probably very well illustrates, rank 5 is really just a matter of grinding if you are half-decent at the game: Because of win-streak, even with a slightly below 50% winrate you will eventually get to rank 5 - in the end it is all maths: The wins just count more than the losses by some % if there is the possibility of bonus stars when your victories align in the right fashion ...
so, honestly, at rank 5 starts the "real" game and on these ranks you really can say: if you can make it to 3 or 2, you can make it to Legend, given the necessary amount of time and dedication...
As to your question: if you really want it, try it and practice, you will probably still be a bit away from the necessary play level as somebody who hit rank 5 for the first time (impressive btw, for 2 months of play!) - but still, practice is what will eventually get you there...
If you only care to play decks you consider "fun", though, yours is probably the wrong mindset. If you want to go legend for the first times, just pick up the deck you play at the highest possible winrate ... even if it is secret pally, Facehunter, or whatever else it is that everone and their mother cries about these days ....
I play since beta and was rank 5 almost every season with relative ease, but never made it to legend. The closest I've been was rank 3 with midrange shaman in vanilla, hunter stopped me, and with mech mage also rank 3. But then 1 bad session comes and you are back to rank 5, I gave up and just fool around after rank 5. Of course would like to hit lagend eventually, when some really good and enjoyable deck will appear, in this meta definitely not. Also reaching legend would be 99% one time expirience for me.
This.
Same spot here. I play since beta and play and easily reach rank 5 every season and still never made it to legend. You need a lot of time to get there and as AleMental said all it takes is one bad losing streak and then you are back to square one. If you have the time and the motivation go for it man.
I've played for a year and a half. I've made it to rank 5 probably 4 or 5 times but never to legend. Tbh it's honestly out of a lack of trying. You have to put in a lot of effort to get the last few ranks and the only reward is a card back. I prefer to have fun and play decks I enjoy once I've secured the golden epic from rank 5 instead of just using my grinding deck (mech shaman).
The card back and the pride!! I know what you mean there are so many decks I'm "okay" with but don't feel comfortable grinding ladder with.
try to climb legend with a deck what you consider "fun" to play.. thats it.. I find my CW very fun to play, I enjoy it a lot, so I climb with that. If you think freeze mage is fun, climb with that. If you find tempo mage is fun, play that. At the end you will see how it goes, and there is always the possibility to reach legend.
That's true, I like your approach just grind and see how it goes, there's really nothing to lose at the end of the day. Nice to get your ego checked.
I play since beta and was rank 5 almost every season with relative ease, but never made it to legend. The closest I've been was rank 3 with midrange shaman in vanilla, hunter stopped me, and with mech mage also rank 3. But then 1 bad session comes and you are back to rank 5, I gave up and just fool around after rank 5. Of course would like to hit lagend eventually, when some really good and enjoyable deck will appear, in this meta definitely not. Also reaching legend would be 99% one time expirience for me.
It's so volatile after losing a game at Rank 5 and above...it feels like 1 step forward, 2 steps back. I think hitting legend once would be nice. I may as well just practice my Midrange Hunter and Patron, maybe even Dragon Priest, Oil Rogue or Handlock. I'm all over the place!
Sometimes is not about how good is your deck and how you are able to play it, but is more about what do you know about your opponents and the decks you're going to face at that level.
At this stage, I'm pretty sure that all of us knows how to trigger the Hunter secrets to ease their damage and effects, so is the same but with the rest of decks.
Obviously at lesser levels you're not going to find the same competitiveness.
I never did it better than 6, but always having fun.
I've found that to be the case. Once you have an idea as to how to play around and against enemy decks it makes things a bit easier.
I've read in countless places that if you can climb to Rank 5 that you can climb to Legend but I feel like the games are impossibly difficult here. Yes, I am using a tracker.
This is absolutely not true. To get from rank 5 to legend, you need 25 more wins than losses. Doesn't sound like much, but it's not easy. Even if you can maintain a ~60% winrate (which gets harder as you get closer to legend and the competition grows stiffer), it might still take a couple hundred games. And, obviously, maintaining a high winrate near legend rank requires that you either be substantially more skilled than the average player at those ranks (i.e. one of the best in the game) or have a brilliant, meta-breaking list that counters all the popular decks.
Yeah, you're right it doesn't seem that impressive being +25 but every loss counts against you and yes, you do need to play quite a few games to hit legend unless you're a pro and/or have immense dedication. A couple hundred games oh my, at least we'll be farming a gold portrait.
U can do it mate. If yr comfortable with Secret Paladin I can really recommend the version with no secretkeepers and with Boom and Tirion.Not saying its a deck I wanna promote as such but if yr goal is legend 5- legend is not all that impossible. I have used said deck from 6- 1 with 1 star this season and I didnt go on any loosing streak with it (knock on wood). I reached legend last season after having placed consistently at 3 for many seasons without making that final push.
Try Arena out a bit more, it can sure help to improve your overall gameplay. Completing expansions on Heroic, without netdecking, is also something I found helpful to improve gameplay. Reading a few guides can also help out. Check out Hearthstoneplayers dott com's website. and their articles on how to become legend.
IMO u should of course prioritise having fun but I can assure you getting to legend is a greater experience and feeling than just a card back...
I played the midrange Secret Paladin it's definitely stronger.
I'm meh on Arena...I don't think it's fun and I honestly just play it because the reward/dust potential is there. I don't fare too well in arena, usually 0-4 wins. Arena feels harder for some reason post TGT. I generally like constructed because I have most the cards necessary for constructed play.
I think the feeling of going legend would be immense honestly, the card back is just extra bragging rights.
What to do? I've read in countless places that if you can climb to Rank 5 that you can climb to Legend but I feel like the games are impossibly difficult here. Yes, I am using a tracker.
You can read that quite often, I know, but It is a myth imho: As your grind probably very well illustrates, rank 5 is really just a matter of grinding if you are half-decent at the game: Because of win-streak, even with a slightly below 50% winrate you will eventually get to rank 5 - in the end it is all maths: The wins just count more than the losses by some % if there is the possibility of bonus stars when your victories align in the right fashion ...
so, honestly, at rank 5 starts the "real" game and on these ranks you really can say: if you can make it to 3 or 2, you can make it to Legend, given the necessary amount of time and dedication...
As to your question: if you really want it, try it and practice, you will probably still be a bit away from the necessary play level as somebody who hit rank 5 for the first time (impressive btw, for 2 months of play!) - but still, practice is what will eventually get you there...
If you only care to play decks you consider "fun", though, yours is probably the wrong mindset. If you want to go legend for the first times, just pick up the deck you play at the highest possible winrate ... even if it is secret pally, Facehunter, or whatever else it is that everone and their mother cries about these days ....
I think I probably have weird mental associations, like I only feel "comfortable" laddering with Face Hunter and/or Secret Paladin. So by proxy, I think the other decks I don't dare queue with cause I don't feel good I perceive are fun.
Thanks! I didn't have background experience with card games...just played this a ton and am a student of the game.
If it's of any value, I did hit Rank 4 the first month I played. I never thought I could break past Rank 10 then I was like screw it, I'll try pushing for it with like 3-4 days left of last season and it just happened. I wish it was as easy for 5 to Legend :)
Unless you are going for tournaments I see no point of rank 5 too, I had my days of grind to legend, but it's waste of time and I have stopped and making better use of my time in "Real Life".
This was what was happening to me this most recent season: 1) Climb to Rank 8 with Face Hunter (somewhat aggravating at times because it feels like I need a strong hand and it depends largely on the opponent not finding a solution quick enough)
2) I deep down want to play Patron but when I queue with it I drop down to ranks 10-14 quickly
3) I would repeat the above sequence over and over
4) I cashed in on Secret Paladin and was able to climb to Rank 5 with a 33-11 record. Since, at Rank 5 people seem to know how to play against this and my record is now 37-20 which is not very impressive.
What to do? I've read in countless places that if you can climb to Rank 5 that you can climb to Legend but I feel like the games are impossibly difficult here. Yes, I am using a tracker.
Should I just play decks I find enjoyable? As queuing them in casual does not feel the same and hence, I cannot learn them as well. I did secure the golden epic at rank 5 but the Legend climb feels like it eludes me. I am 2 months new into the game.
5) As an aside, I find arena extremely distasteful. It's boring and such a grind. I can average anywhere from 0-4 wins. At times, I go 6 wins if I get a god draft. However, even with 0 wins you get a pack + 25 dust which nets out to be more than buying packs as 1 pack of duplicates (1 rare + 4 commons works out to be 40 dust).
Thank you!
sounds like you need to work on your play given that you said you only get 0-4 wins in arena. Should average at least 5 if you know your cards well and play them well. Your decks are probably fine. If you do well with secret pally but poorly with patron it's a sign you need to learn to play cards better. Secret pally is faceroll and patron takes planning and thinking.
If you've only played two months your doing very very well. rank 5 is roughly top 2%. You'll need more exp to get to leg.
Z's Legend Grind Advice (Haven't posted this in a while) - Pick a deck that has been proven can make it to Legend and stick with it. - Track your wins/losses against popular decks (ex. split Zoo & Handlock, Mechmage & Freeze Mage) this will allow you to not get discouraged and worry if you have a tough time against a particular deck you will know it. - Watch a popular streamer that uses your deck and mirrors your play style. - If you feel you need to change your deck to match a new rank meta only change two cards at most at a time. To many changes can drastically alter your effectiveness and win percentages. - Realize that RNG giveth and taketh away. - Work on what cards your opponent could have to derail your plan. Try to think your moves out at least one extra turn ahead of where you are at. - Have fun! Enjoy the journey. This is a game and getting mad or frustrated doesn't do anything for anybody. - Watch your win percentage and realize how many more games it will take to reach legend. Prepare for the grind and it won't grind you up!
Hopefully this helps some people. See you all in the tavern.
If you consider grinding ladder fun (I don't), then go ahead.
When you explain to someone else the time you spend grinding to Legend, will you describe it as an obligation? As a thrill? As a potential ticket to the Hearthstone World Championships? As something you're expected to do to "prove yourself" to a community of strangers? As a challenge you set for yourself to overcome?
Once I realize I was doing it out of a sense of obligation, I stopped grinding and changed course to pursue more fun.
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As an update, I actually did hit Legend back in December with Neobility's Midrange Druid (switched out a Slyvanas for a Harrison Jones with all the weapon classes). Since then, I've lost interest in grinding and will most likely just get to Rank 5 each season for the golden epic.
Edit* Nvm ought it was record from rank 5 not the altogether one. None forces you to play, if you don't enjoy grinding don't, switch decks so you have fun. Grind to just get legend for that better chest imo is not worth it if you don't enjoy the process nor try to get points from top legend(which sounds bit hard if you have troubles at Rank 5).
Hello gents!
This was what was happening to me this most recent season:
1) Climb to Rank 8 with Face Hunter (somewhat aggravating at times because it feels like I need a strong hand and it depends largely on the opponent not finding a solution quick enough)
2) I deep down want to play Patron but when I queue with it I drop down to ranks 10-14 quickly
3) I would repeat the above sequence over and over
4) I cashed in on Secret Paladin and was able to climb to Rank 5 with a 33-11 record. Since, at Rank 5 people seem to know how to play against this and my record is now 37-20 which is not very impressive.
What to do? I've read in countless places that if you can climb to Rank 5 that you can climb to Legend but I feel like the games are impossibly difficult here. Yes, I am using a tracker.
Should I just play decks I find enjoyable? As queuing them in casual does not feel the same and hence, I cannot learn them as well. I did secure the golden epic at rank 5 but the Legend climb feels like it eludes me. I am 2 months new into the game.
5) As an aside, I find arena extremely distasteful. It's boring and such a grind. I can average anywhere from 0-4 wins. At times, I go 6 wins if I get a god draft. However, even with 0 wins you get a pack + 25 dust which nets out to be more than buying packs as 1 pack of duplicates (1 rare + 4 commons works out to be 40 dust).
Thank you!
Scrap grinding, have fun.
There is a lot of steak here...
I've played for a year and a half. I've made it to rank 5 probably 4 or 5 times but never to legend. Tbh it's honestly out of a lack of trying. You have to put in a lot of effort to get the last few ranks and the only reward is a card back. I prefer to have fun and play decks I enjoy once I've secured the golden epic from rank 5 instead of just using my grinding deck (mech shaman).
try to climb legend with a deck what you consider "fun" to play.. thats it.. I find my CW very fun to play, I enjoy it a lot, so I climb with that. If you think freeze mage is fun, climb with that. If you find tempo mage is fun, play that. At the end you will see how it goes, and there is always the possibility to reach legend.
yes
This is absolutely not true. To get from rank 5 to legend, you need 25 more wins than losses. Doesn't sound like much, but it's not easy. Even if you can maintain a ~60% winrate (which gets harder as you get closer to legend and the competition grows stiffer), it might still take a couple hundred games. And, obviously, maintaining a high winrate near legend rank requires that you either be substantially more skilled than the average player at those ranks (i.e. one of the best in the game) or have a brilliant, meta-breaking list that counters all the popular decks.
Here's a handy little spreadsheet some redditor made.
You can read that quite often, I know, but It is a myth imho: As your grind probably very well illustrates, rank 5 is really just a matter of grinding if you are half-decent at the game: Because of win-streak, even with a slightly below 50% winrate you will eventually get to rank 5 - in the end it is all maths: The wins just count more than the losses by some % if there is the possibility of bonus stars when your victories align in the right fashion ...
so, honestly, at rank 5 starts the "real" game and on these ranks you really can say: if you can make it to 3 or 2, you can make it to Legend, given the necessary amount of time and dedication...
As to your question: if you really want it, try it and practice, you will probably still be a bit away from the necessary play level as somebody who hit rank 5 for the first time (impressive btw, for 2 months of play!) - but still, practice is what will eventually get you there...
If you only care to play decks you consider "fun", though, yours is probably the wrong mindset. If you want to go legend for the first times, just pick up the deck you play at the highest possible winrate ... even if it is secret pally, Facehunter, or whatever else it is that everone and their mother cries about these days ....
This.
Same spot here. I play since beta and play and easily reach rank 5 every season and still never made it to legend. You need a lot of time to get there and as AleMental said all it takes is one bad losing streak and then you are back to square one. If you have the time and the motivation go for it man.
The card back and the pride!! I know what you mean there are so many decks I'm "okay" with but don't feel comfortable grinding ladder with.
That's true, I like your approach just grind and see how it goes, there's really nothing to lose at the end of the day. Nice to get your ego checked.
It's so volatile after losing a game at Rank 5 and above...it feels like 1 step forward, 2 steps back. I think hitting legend once would be nice. I may as well just practice my Midrange Hunter and Patron, maybe even Dragon Priest, Oil Rogue or Handlock. I'm all over the place!
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I've found that to be the case. Once you have an idea as to how to play around and against enemy decks it makes things a bit easier.
Yeah, you're right it doesn't seem that impressive being +25 but every loss counts against you and yes, you do need to play quite a few games to hit legend unless you're a pro and/or have immense dedication. A couple hundred games oh my, at least we'll be farming a gold portrait.
I played the midrange Secret Paladin it's definitely stronger.
I'm meh on Arena...I don't think it's fun and I honestly just play it because the reward/dust potential is there. I don't fare too well in arena, usually 0-4 wins. Arena feels harder for some reason post TGT. I generally like constructed because I have most the cards necessary for constructed play.
I think the feeling of going legend would be immense honestly, the card back is just extra bragging rights.
I think I probably have weird mental associations, like I only feel "comfortable" laddering with Face Hunter and/or Secret Paladin. So by proxy, I think the other decks I don't dare queue with cause I don't feel good I perceive are fun.
Thanks! I didn't have background experience with card games...just played this a ton and am a student of the game.
If it's of any value, I did hit Rank 4 the first month I played. I never thought I could break past Rank 10 then I was like screw it, I'll try pushing for it with like 3-4 days left of last season and it just happened. I wish it was as easy for 5 to Legend :)
XD
Do what you want ! It's your life after all.
Used to be a proud Handlock player.
Legend 17 times.
Still flirting with the ladder from times to times with Renolock.
Unless you are going for tournaments I see no point of rank 5 too, I had my days of grind to legend, but it's waste of time and I have stopped and making better use of my time in "Real Life".
My goal isn't to go beyond 5 too. I'm currently rank 9.. I'm just trying to hit rank 5 for that sweet epic.
Carpe Diem - Seize the day
If you are going to go for legend...enjoy:
Z's Legend Grind Advice (Haven't posted this in a while)
- Pick a deck that has been proven can make it to Legend and stick with it.
- Track your wins/losses against popular decks (ex. split Zoo & Handlock, Mechmage & Freeze Mage) this will allow you to not get discouraged and worry if you have a tough time against a particular deck you will know it.
- Watch a popular streamer that uses your deck and mirrors your play style.
- If you feel you need to change your deck to match a new rank meta only change two cards at most at a time. To many changes can drastically alter your effectiveness and win percentages.
- Realize that RNG giveth and taketh away.
- Work on what cards your opponent could have to derail your plan. Try to think your moves out at least one extra turn ahead of where you are at.
- Have fun! Enjoy the journey. This is a game and getting mad or frustrated doesn't do anything for anybody.
- Watch your win percentage and realize how many more games it will take to reach legend. Prepare for the grind and it won't grind you up!
Hopefully this helps some people. See you all in the tavern.
A deck which is fun to play is worthless on the ladder. FACT
Unless you like to puke out your hand.
Remember that we play games to have fun.
If you consider grinding ladder fun (I don't), then go ahead.
When you explain to someone else the time you spend grinding to Legend, will you describe it as an obligation? As a thrill? As a potential ticket to the Hearthstone World Championships? As something you're expected to do to "prove yourself" to a community of strangers? As a challenge you set for yourself to overcome?
Once I realize I was doing it out of a sense of obligation, I stopped grinding and changed course to pursue more fun.
Feel free to add me if you play on NA! iMPose#1429
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What I do is for the first 25 days of latter is have fun with random decks. Then pick one and actually try the last days.
As an update, I actually did hit Legend back in December with Neobility's Midrange Druid (switched out a Slyvanas for a Harrison Jones with all the weapon classes). Since then, I've lost interest in grinding and will most likely just get to Rank 5 each season for the golden epic.
Edit* Nvm ought it was record from rank 5 not the altogether one. None forces you to play, if you don't enjoy grinding don't, switch decks so you have fun. Grind to just get legend for that better chest imo is not worth it if you don't enjoy the process nor try to get points from top legend(which sounds bit hard if you have troubles at Rank 5).
Surprise!