Yes I know they're not as common on the ladder right now and yes I know Patron didn't do particularly great in the ALTC but let's not pretend that this is about win rates or counters, it's about the mechanics of the deck, it's about losing no matter what you do on turn 8 if the opponent drew the right cards, which given their ample ability to draw cards, is not unlikely.
I don't understand why Miracle gets nerfed and this is allowed to exist for months and months when it's everything Miracle was but so much worse. The feeling of coming up against it and losing is just so crushingly miserable and makes a mockery of competitive laddering.
This week I am constantly running into them and I have 3 words - F Patron Warrior - this crap can't get nerfed quick enough. Even if I do everything right, here comes another stupid freaking combo. I had a PW accidentally burn 1 of his Patrons due to a full hand and I held my counters and he still was able to kill me. F this stupid deck.
Blizzard responded to ADWCTA's #arenawarriorsmatter campaign and we see some results so i guess we need someone to start #nerfpatrontooblivion campaign or #nerfwarsongcommander at least :)
Blizzard responded to ADWCTA`s #arenawarriorsmatter campaign so i guess we need someone to start #nerfpatrontooblivion campaign or #nerfwarsongcommander at least.
The real question: Why is no one doing this?
(Probaply because no popular hearthstoner is doing it)
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Give a man a Murloc, and he'll eat for a day.
Give him a Murloc Knight, and people will hate him.
Frothing is obviously completely completely completely unacceptable but being able to board clear and generate a board of 3/3s with Warsong + Patron is also a power level totally inappropriate, I mean look at all Paladin can do with Quartermaster and that is deemed good enough but compare it to what you can do with Patrons.
Charge is the biggest issue, but yeah Frothing is the bit that as Savjz says is actually to the point of being humiliating for the game and the devs.
Frothing is obviously completely completely completely unacceptable but being able to board clear and generate a board of 3/3s with Warsong + Patron is also a power level totally inappropriate, I mean look at all Paladin can do with Quartermaster and that is deemed good enough but compare it to what you can do with Patrons.
Charge is the biggest issue, but yeah Frothing is the bit that as Savjz says is actually to the point of being humiliating for the game and the devs.
Where did he say that?
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Give a man a Murloc, and he'll eat for a day.
Give him a Murloc Knight, and people will hate him.
think about the other site, winnig with one turn feels quite good xD
just joking. needs nerf definetly
Does it though? I don't play Patronbut I've played OTK Malygos Shaman and Raging Worgen decks for fun in casual. They are far far less consistent and just for fun and sure the first couple of times you pull it off its mildly amusing but after that it's just dull, you know it has nothing to do with skill and you know that a game of Hearthstone did not just occur.
I mean if Patron was as inconsistent as Malygos Shaman then maybe that would be ok, but it's not, it's very consistent. If Malygos Shaman was ever that consistent then that would need a nerf too.
I just don't understand why Blizzard can't make their design rules and stick to them, instead we have to endure months of them umming and arring.
Patron needs a nerf, only question is which card should get nerfed. Candidates are Frothing, Thaurissan and warsong.
However i think Thaurissan should get start of turn, not end of turn. This card will get out of hand in further expansions anyway, so why not nerf imidiate?
It enables to much OTHK stuff. And the card has no counterplay and no drawback.
Th whole Patron combo is only to strong when they can remove taunts with 0 mana executes. After all Frothing+Frothing+ warsong+ whirlwind is basically 10 Mana. If it stays like that its no problem in my view.
Patron needs a nerf, only question is which card should get nerfed. Candidates are Frothing, Thaurissan and warsong.
However i think Thaurissan should get start of turn, not end of turn. This card will get out of hand in further expansions anyway, so why not nerf imidiate?
It enables to much OTHK stuff. And the card has no counterplay and no drawback.
Th whole Patron combo is only to strong when they can remove taunts with 0 mana executes. After all Frothing+Frothing+ warsong+ whirlwind is basically 10 Mana. If it stays like that its no problem in my view.
But nerfing Thaurisan would kill the deck of completely, while the nerfs to Miracle made sure that the amount of burst damage was preserved.
If they nerf Warsong to only give charge if the minion STAYS under 3 attack, then we only need to worry about Patrons with charge, which is easier to stop then Frothings with Charge , and makes the deck less consistent.
Warsong seems like the better nerf here, though Thaurrisan, as you say, may need to be nerfed in the future.
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Give a man a Murloc, and he'll eat for a day.
Give him a Murloc Knight, and people will hate him.
It's not worst than mage druid hunter paladin or warlock tbh who cares at this point any class can kill you by turn 8 bliszard clearly wants the game to be fast, doesn t matter the way you lose, they should even unnerf miracle rogue it wojldn't be that good inthis meta where 80% of games are done by turn 7
But nerfing Thaurisan would kill the deck of completely, while the nerfs to Miracle made sure that the amount of burst damage was preserved.
Why do people always respond with this? Who cares if it kills the deck? It never should have been possible in the first place and it never should have stuck around as long as it has.
Come on guys! More counterdecks are created as we speak, and it is now less common both in tournaments and on ladder than it used to be=it is less effective.
Yes, losing to the combo can be annoying but not worse than FoN+2x savage roar with innervate imo.
All the nerfs you suggest would completely kill the deck. If you want to discuss nerfs, at least be reasonable, like making Frothing Berserker a 2-3.
Frothing and Warsong have been in hearthstone since the start . Why so mad now ? Why weren't you guys mad back then ?? Ohhh , because they released new cards for a possible deck. Guys ... please shhhh
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I do not study the DIVINE to imitate what they do I study the DIVINE to imitate what they ARE
I don't understand why Miracle gets nerfed and this is allowed to exist for months and months when it's everything Miracle was but so much worse. The feeling of coming up against it and losing is just so crushingly miserable and makes a mockery of competitive laddering.
Miracle was allowed to exist for months and months too, in case you forgot. Also, Patron isn't as dominate as Miracle was.
But nerfing Thaurisan would kill the deck of completely, while the nerfs to Miracle made sure that the amount of burst damage was preserved.
Why do people always respond with this? Who cares if it kills the deck? It never should have been possible in the first place and it never should have stuck around as long as it has.
Exactly, they act as if being able to summon an entire board of 3/Xs with charge is a human right or something. It's not possible in any other class so why is it ok in Warrior?
If Blizzard turned around and gave Quartermaster the text "give your SHRs +1/1 and charge"the community would completely lose their shit and it would still be weaker than Warson + Patrons.
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Yes I know they're not as common on the ladder right now and yes I know Patron didn't do particularly great in the ALTC but let's not pretend that this is about win rates or counters, it's about the mechanics of the deck, it's about losing no matter what you do on turn 8 if the opponent drew the right cards, which given their ample ability to draw cards, is not unlikely.
I don't understand why Miracle gets nerfed and this is allowed to exist for months and months when it's everything Miracle was but so much worse. The feeling of coming up against it and losing is just so crushingly miserable and makes a mockery of competitive laddering.
This week I am constantly running into them and I have 3 words - F Patron Warrior - this crap can't get nerfed quick enough. Even if I do everything right, here comes another stupid freaking combo. I had a PW accidentally burn 1 of his Patrons due to a full hand and I held my counters and he still was able to kill me. F this stupid deck.
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Hold on, little guy. Soon they'll realize that Patron is still on of the best decks, even after releasing Chillmaw. THEN, they'll nerf it to oblivion.
Give a man a Murloc, and he'll eat for a day.
Give him a Murloc Knight, and people will hate him.
And by Patron, I mean Frothing.
Give a man a Murloc, and he'll eat for a day.
Give him a Murloc Knight, and people will hate him.
Blizzard responded to ADWCTA's #arenawarriorsmatter campaign and we see some results so i guess we need someone to start #nerfpatrontooblivion campaign or #nerfwarsongcommander at least :)
English is not my native language, so, with a high probability, mistakes were made.
The real question: Why is no one doing this?
(Probaply because no popular hearthstoner is doing it)
Give a man a Murloc, and he'll eat for a day.
Give him a Murloc Knight, and people will hate him.
Frothing is obviously completely completely completely unacceptable but being able to board clear and generate a board of 3/3s with Warsong + Patron is also a power level totally inappropriate, I mean look at all Paladin can do with Quartermaster and that is deemed good enough but compare it to what you can do with Patrons.
Charge is the biggest issue, but yeah Frothing is the bit that as Savjz says is actually to the point of being humiliating for the game and the devs.
Where did he say that?
Give a man a Murloc, and he'll eat for a day.
Give him a Murloc Knight, and people will hate him.
Does it though? I don't play Patronbut I've played OTK Malygos Shaman and Raging Worgen decks for fun in casual. They are far far less consistent and just for fun and sure the first couple of times you pull it off its mildly amusing but after that it's just dull, you know it has nothing to do with skill and you know that a game of Hearthstone did not just occur.
I mean if Patron was as inconsistent as Malygos Shaman then maybe that would be ok, but it's not, it's very consistent. If Malygos Shaman was ever that consistent then that would need a nerf too.
I just don't understand why Blizzard can't make their design rules and stick to them, instead we have to endure months of them umming and arring.
Meh, handlock, CW and taunt druid already counters patrons pretty well, and the new frost giant echo mage is a patron nightmare.
Protip: do not mindlessly spam minions from turn 8 and onwards, you might fuel his frothing and give more patrons...
Plenty matches I get draws that leave me helpless, patron is not worse than many other decks IMO, and it is a hard deck to master!
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Patron needs a nerf, only question is which card should get nerfed. Candidates are Frothing, Thaurissan and warsong.
However i think Thaurissan should get start of turn, not end of turn. This card will get out of hand in further expansions anyway, so why not nerf imidiate?
It enables to much OTHK stuff. And the card has no counterplay and no drawback.
Th whole Patron combo is only to strong when they can remove taunts with 0 mana executes. After all Frothing+Frothing+ warsong+ whirlwind is basically 10 Mana. If it stays like that its no problem in my view.
But nerfing Thaurisan would kill the deck of completely, while the nerfs to Miracle made sure that the amount of burst damage was preserved.
If they nerf Warsong to only give charge if the minion STAYS under 3 attack, then we only need to worry about Patrons with charge, which is easier to stop then Frothings with Charge , and makes the deck less consistent.
Warsong seems like the better nerf here, though Thaurrisan, as you say, may need to be nerfed in the future.
Give a man a Murloc, and he'll eat for a day.
Give him a Murloc Knight, and people will hate him.
Frothing should lose Warsong's charge after crossing 3 attack.
It's not worst than mage druid hunter paladin or warlock tbh who cares at this point any class can kill you by turn 8 bliszard clearly wants the game to be fast, doesn t matter the way you lose, they should even unnerf miracle rogue it wojldn't be that good inthis meta where 80% of games are done by turn 7
Why do people always respond with this? Who cares if it kills the deck? It never should have been possible in the first place and it never should have stuck around as long as it has.
Come on guys! More counterdecks are created as we speak, and it is now less common both in tournaments and on ladder than it used to be=it is less effective.
Yes, losing to the combo can be annoying but not worse than FoN+2x savage roar with innervate imo.
All the nerfs you suggest would completely kill the deck. If you want to discuss nerfs, at least be reasonable, like making Frothing Berserker a 2-3.
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Frothing and Warsong have been in hearthstone since the start . Why so mad now ? Why weren't you guys mad back then ?? Ohhh , because they released new cards for a possible deck. Guys ... please shhhh
I do not study the DIVINE to imitate what they do
I study the DIVINE to imitate what they ARE
Patrons aren't needed vs control, although they are godly against Ebola Strains, especially pally
Miracle was allowed to exist for months and months too, in case you forgot. Also, Patron isn't as dominate as Miracle was.
Exactly, they act as if being able to summon an entire board of 3/Xs with charge is a human right or something. It's not possible in any other class so why is it ok in Warrior?
If Blizzard turned around and gave Quartermaster the text "give your SHRs +1/1 and charge"the community would completely lose their shit and it would still be weaker than Warson + Patrons.