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Let's remind ourselves what Lifecoach has said bout Dr. Boom before anything talk anymore BS about him.

Lifecoach preview GvG, scroll to 14:10 to see the part at Boom Boom Bots.

Yes, Dr. Boom is insane.

And scroll back to 12:30 for some Troggzor lulz.

 Trust me . Lifecoach will play more than 2 TgT cards in his deck.

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I feel better about TGT after watching Noxious' review.  ty for the suggestion.  OpieOP

Where can I find a link to his review?

https://www.youtube.com/user/NoxiousHearthstone/videos

Just scroll through his videos and look for TGT reviews.

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Agree with the above poster. Lifecoach/Trump aren't good people to listen to regarding new cards and deck design. Mainly, because they just copy whatever the most popular deck at the time is. There is as reason why they are never top legend..they can't create good counter decks to the top decks out..they just play the top decks and reach rank 200 legend which is so easy to do. 

Post your current and past end season rankings, please and thank you.

I end the season around rank 2-4 nowadays with homebrew decks making non-conventional cards work. Don't care as much to get legend these days since there's no reward/point to....until now! 

About reviews, I can give you an example that shows that we can't really predict what card will be played or not (even though some cards ARE really strong like Varian Wrynn, it's just written on lel).
What about Quartermaster and Scarlet Purifier ? If Trump or another streamer was reviewing them, what would he say ?
"Well, Quartermaster, 5 mana 2/5, such a bad ratio, very slow but pretty strong effect, maybe 1 in some token paladin, hard to get value
because in depends on the 1/1 you have on board, etc...."
"Scarlet Purifier, 3 mana 4/3, good ratio, with a strong effect : deal 2 to all deathrattle cards; wow that's pretty powerful, with all these Undertaker decks it will be very strong ! It's a consecrate + shredder body !"
The thing is that undertaker got nerfed and scarlet purifier is currently never played, whereas quartermaster is in every midrange/control paladin.

So my point is that for most cards you can't say if they will be played or not, changes in meta are really dependant of decks people are playing, not of the cards themselves.

They all are reviewing the cards in a vacuum, mostly based on the current meta. If the meta shifts, these things will change drastically.

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Just wasted about 7 min of my life listening to this Blizzard bootlicking which adds just about nothing to the discussion.

I do not know why so much concern that you have to discuss the amount of good or bad cards.

You have to remember that Hearthstone is still early in his life. And in all expansions and adventures will be the same. There will be a greater amount of card "poor" or "average" and very few "card good".

It is impossible for a game of cards aim to "100% BOM card" ...
in my opinion Hearthstone suffers from the limitation COST mana, and this factor can limit the amount of good cards .... For you have only 30 cards in your deck to take 30 hp of your opponent.

It is difficult to put together a perfect deck 100% 100% win. For Hearthstone walks the line LUCK. and never will be a 100% perfect deck ..... although some reach 70% win

I actually agree with most stuff LC said,and why would it be bad if in six month for example only 2-11 cards from TGT will be played?

You only have 30 cards per deck , so sooner or later only the realy  OP cards will stay.

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They both were severely mistaken about Dr. Boom, so there's that.

No?

I think some of you are just so easily satisfied. We don't want 100% card being playable...No one asked for that. That's just silly but if there is only around 15 cards being playable and will fit into new viable decks that's only 10% of the cards and if that's the case this expansion is a huge failure in my eye. Still to this date, I only see Naxx being the only successful expansion.

I want at least 30% of the cards being viable and by viable.. it doesn't mean it's auto-included in most decks like Dr. Boom level. I want cards that are just good enough and maybe slight above the boundaries in some decks....they're like the 6/10...7/10 cards

Some of these cards in TGT are just complete trash tier like 1/10....2/10 and will just never see play(e.g. the 7 mana 4/2 hunter legendary)....it's a waste of effort....waste of money on those of us who buy with real money.

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I actually agree with most stuff LC said,and why would it be bad if in six month for example only 2-11 cards from TGT will be played?

You only have 30 cards per deck , so sooner or later only the realy  OP cards will stay.

It's bad because to play for a monthes, maybe later and years with the same decks (or almost the same, with only 1-2 new OP) - it's really booooring. It will be far better if after every expansion there will be tons of a new pretty viable competitive deck types with at least half of a new cards - not only 'fun-decks', but decent and versatile.

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I think some of you are just so easily satisfied. We don't want 100% card being playable...No one asked for that. That's just silly but if there is only around 15 cards being playable and will fit into new viable decks that's only 10% of the cards and if that's the case this expansion is a huge failure in my eye. Still to this date, I only see Naxx being the only successful expansion.

I want at least 30% of the cards being viable and by viable.. it doesn't mean it's auto-included in most decks like Dr. Boom level. I want cards that are just good enough and maybe slight above the boundaries in some decks....they're like the 6/10...7/10 cards

Some of these cards in TGT are just complete trash tier like 1/10....2/10 and will just never see play(e.g. the 7 mana 4/2 hunter legendary)....it's a waste of effort....waste of money on those of us who buy with real money.

I just counted all playable post-classical cards (if card is using in more or less 'decent' fun-decks only - I count as 0.5 card). And we have more than a half usable cards from Naxx (only 6-7 never usable), 50-55/120 from GVG, and BRM was divided on 3 almost similar part - viable, average and completely unplayable (about 10 cards in every). Can we see some trend? I'm not sure - but I guess, until TGT there was at least 1/3-1/2 pretty viable cards in every expansion/adventure. I expect not less than 1/3 in pessimistic scenario and not less than 1/2 pretty good cards for TGT - in optimistic scenario so...

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I actually agree with most stuff LC said,and why would it be bad if in six month for example only 2-11 cards from TGT will be played?

You only have 30 cards per deck , so sooner or later only the realy  OP cards will stay.

It's bad because to play for a monthes, maybe later and years with the same decks (or almost the same, with only 1-2 new OP) - it's really booooring. It will be far better if after every expansion there will be tons of a new pretty viable competitive deck types with at least half of a new cards - not only 'fun-decks', but decent and versatile.

It would be better maybe for some ,but to have tons of viable and competitive decks you need 

a). probably more than 132 good cards

b).to stand a chance vs existing Legenddecks they literly need to be F...ing OP , and that every expansion ( hello Powercreep !).

 Some cards are OP and they will stay so every expansion should technicly be less invluencing the current meta, sry if you find that boring.

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*Trump was.

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They are good at "driving" decks. Thats it, thats why they are pros. And Trump isnt even a good player.

Most of the pro players are not good deckbuilders, they just can learn and execute a deck's strategy to its fullest potential.

So their opinions are irrelevant unless they are good deckbuilders and have a clear insight to the next meta.

That's not true. They are playing enough of this game to actually be able to discuss the meta. Also... what do you know about their deckbuilding capibilities., Yeah right, nothing.

All the "pros' decks differ only by like 2 cards. They all use the same decks that was created by someone else.

To your surprise, majority of decks above rank 5 are the same and 2 cards are really what separating a rank 5 and a legend. 

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They all are reviewing the cards in a vacuum, mostly based on the current meta. If the meta shifts, these things will change drastically.

Exactly. Many people rated Troggzor the Earthinator higher than Dr. Boom because midrange/tempo wasn't really a thing in pre-G&G meta. People were either playing very aggressive decks like Zoo, or very slow deck like Control Warrior. Not much middle ground. In such meta, Troggzor the Earthinator can perform equal or better than Dr. Boom. 

We watch streamer reviewing cards because base on current meta and knowledge, their viewpoint on new cards is most likely correct. 

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Rewatching Lifecoach's predictions, I'm surprised by how accurate he was.

While he was excited about Troggzor, he was slightly hesitant about it being added to all decks while saying that everyone would for sure run Dr. Boom. Even without having the foresight to see the upcoming meta, it was more or less spot on.

That's why I have no doubts that TGT will be a filler expansion with mostly trash cards, because Lifecoach said so.

Yeaaaah, I also said Dr. Boom was insane.  Point is, you shouldn't just take what someone says as fact when no one has really had a chance to experiment.  Not saying he is going to be wrong, nor that he is right.  Pro Reviews should create discussion about possibility, they shouldn't be taken as fact.