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But this is the way it is. Just read a card like Kel Thuzad. Isn't it totally amazing? You just need like 4 mana value on the board and something to trade against and it is already totally awesome value (and tempo). But noone except ramp druid plays the card. I tried it myself often enough and it is lowering my win rates. Just imagine Kel Thuzad survives one more turn... the game is won, yet, where is he?
Having the "if" of kel thuzad isn't even THAT hard to accomplish. Now imagine you have an even game and play this 4/4 on turn 6 (or later). In this second it will trade like total crap, maybe against a buffed minion or a 5/5 you cannot kill off immediately or against some tokens or maybe against some bigger stuff where 4 damage on do not help you at all. In those cases you lost a terrible amount of tempo and value due to that 4/4 for 6 mana. Alone for the value loss you may have to play 8 minions now not even mentioning the consequences of the tempo. So if you consider a card without instant value or some conditions to meet, you have to consider the chances of the conditions to be well met (!!) or the chances to win more games due to the later effect than losing because of the instant losses.
WTF a spider tank on turn 2 is not very good? Do we even play the same game? Hearthstone is about tempo.. as in, you need to take control of the board early on. What do you think totem golem does? At the very worst, you can throw down a totem on turn 3.
Trump also said Dr. Boom was shit. You people act like these streamers are gods.
Essentially the tl;dr of my posts on the previous page.
He and most people said he was too slow and a BGH target and was bad.
Almost all people were off with some cards, however they juged most cards correct in GVG. the exception proves the rule.
Yeah, lets check what decks both of these "pros" are using in a month and a half and see how many TGT cards are in them. A lot more than they'd expect I'll wager.
Thanks !
It's true. I was going to say Lifecoach is telling people to jump off a cliff, but then decided against it... I don't want that blood on my hands.
There were a lot of cards that people shat on that now see a lot of play and are staples in top tier decks. Dark Bomb, everyone said it was bad and compared it to frost bolt. But what no one took into account, Warlock doesn't have frost bolt and it turns out they don't care about freezing near as much as mage does so 2 mana 3 damage ended up being really good for locks. Also Trump, Amaz, Ekop, Backspace and Chakki shat on shield maiden and sung the praises of Troggzor. To be fair, Troggzor is a good card, but at 7 mana looses out to Dr. Boom. (who all the same people said was bad).
I cannot evaluate trumps review because i did not watch it, but wrong things he said a year ago do not change a valid point just because HE made the same argument too. But whatever, i do not see any concepts in trumps evaluation in general, it is very different for lifecoach. You just have to understand the circumstances under which the evaluation remains true and under which circumstances they are worthless. You shouldn't care about someone's evaluation if you think the premises are bad. On the other hand you should accept correct derivations.
the prominent streamers are bad players exept maybe reynad, who created meta defining decks for a while. they just play a lot and get hyped. it seems the folk just watch the stream with the most watchers, so once youre established it snowballs from there.
a lot of the new cards are really strong and allow the meta to balance itself between fast aggro and control.
Well they are really depressing streamers. I watched Lifecoach for a while, but his roping becomes unbearable. Trump is cool, but if GvG taught us anything is that Trump doesn't evaluate cards correctly. Sure, his stream is great for new players, he really teaches a lot of stuff, but he's no Nostradamus.
I could not care less what any of the so called "pros" thinks, and it is a HUGE mystery to me why there are people who do. Hearthstone is not a game for pros, heartstone is RNG based.
Take a game like Starcraft. There is basically no RNG, and you will lose 100% of the games against a pro, if you aren't one yourself.
Take Hearthstone and the same deck as the so called "pro". I'll have a 50% win rate in the long run, and many, many other players aswell... So why the heck would I care what a random other player who is just as good as me thinks about the expansion?
Arena Leaderboard EU - September 2018: #47 (@7.77 Wins Average)
I have beaten a pro in starcraft.
Also every professional poker player disagrees with you, but i'm outta here, no point arguing with these kinds.
Please take chess next time instead of starcraft, not that it would matter...
Do not forget to post your legend rank 1, before either of those "pros" does.
guys, just remember patron warrior :) tgt will bring something for sure. don't jump into conclussions too early.
Time is money, friend.
He's one of few people of identifiable high intellect that I can sort of interact with, so that's nice. I love when he goes on his tangents and the depth that he puts into his work, but others find that boring, which is completely fine, it's just not for them. Obviously I don't take his word as the absolute unconditional truth, and no one should from anyone about anything, but I certainly value what he has to say, long-winded or not.
No point arguing and still replying, that's interesting.
Poker is totally different, as it is very complex, unlike hearthstone, as you have hard decisions every turn and you can pass if you consider your odds not to be in favour.
Compare that to constructed hearthstone. All decisions you make are almost always either OBVIOULSY correct or OBVIOUSLY a misplay to anyone who is comfortable calling himself a well experienced, good player. I'm totally willing to bet money that I'd get a 50:50 against any of the so-called pros in the long run with any given deck that I had some time to play to get experience with it. I am not trying to say they are not good players, but I am trying to say there are many, many thousands of other players who are just as good. If not hundred-thousands.
I wrote Starcraft instead of chess as it is another Blizzard game, and then either your "pro" wasn't one, your "pro" wasn't playing in tryhard mode, or you spent ridiculous amounts of time with that game that you are somewhere near the pro levels. I don't know and I don't care. No one with some brain and average Starcraft experience will expect to stand a chance against any Starcraft player that has been World Champion or won other big tournaments.
And HS? If you think these pros actually play better than you, you simply are not a good player. It does not take that long to understand the game inside out. After you saw a few turns, you know what cards are in their deck, you know how to play your deck, you know how to play around as good as possible, and that's already it.
Arena is different, this requires a lot more skill (guess what, I go infinite).
Your last sentence already disqualifies you as a good player. Even wondered why it is not the same few "pro" players every season who make out spots 1-100 among each other? No? Maybe you should.
And if you ever had been legend yourself, you'd know yourself it is pretty much all about time you play and lucky matchups.
Arena Leaderboard EU - September 2018: #47 (@7.77 Wins Average)
I feel better about TGT after watching Noxious' review. ty for the suggestion. OpieOP
I'll admit that the vast majority of decisions made in constructed are easy, but maybe you only think certain things have an obvious play. Maybe the "obvious play" you're taking isn't always right, and you could be wrong? For example, Trump's Handlock is strong because he's played it for an extremely long time and knows the plays in and out, front and back, and he can make decisions that aren't necessarily obvious, with only a few percent of margin either way to playing. He's also played enough that when you see him playing a number of players, he says "oh hey, it's _______", and can read them based on their individual person and get another read that's 1% more accurate. This is not a game where your playstyle and choices makes huge (5%) changes in winrate. It's a game where the pros get half-percent increases, and as they play hundreds or thousands of games, that tiny edge gets them places.