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HEARTHSTONE IS A FAKE GAME
I would to express my opinions on this game and all the fakes around. Sorry for my bad english, if you don't understand maybe it's my fault. : )
Well, good read, from a FAKE 5x legend player.
COMPETITIVE SCENE
We start with it. Competitive scene is unexistent, the majority of the tournaments are based on invites and not on merit or qualifications, it has not value.
For unknown players, it's also useless to try to compete, because who is not popular has very low chance to win a tournament compared to popular players. The odd ratio to win a tournament between an unpopular and a popular player is maybe 1 on 10 or 1 on 100, that is not fair.
"PRO" GAMERS AND ESPORT
The average level of the "pro" scene can be an average legend ranked play level, nothing special. That's because the invitation system doesn't generate a big selection of players. Yes sometimes you can watch good plays, good players, but nothing impressive in most cases.
In a real Esport we can see the best players in world, in Hearthstone we'll never know who are the best, because tournaments are fake from the start.
FAKE INVITATIONAL TOURNAMENTS
Who cares about those tournaments, give money to some random popular players and make some advertise, do what you want, but don't call them: pro, best, champions, etc. They are just popular players that play a card game, they are not pro, best or champions.
COMMUNITY AND WATCHERS
Why people watch fake tournaments? I don't know, maybe they are there just to spam in the chats, or really believe the best players are playing? I don't care, maybe they don't care about also, so who cares.
My real question is, why they are not interested to watch "real" tournaments? I don't know. Nobody cares.
RANKED PLAY RACE
Best ranked players are the best players? I don't think so.
Just nerd as much as possible, soon or later, you will have a good win-streak to make legend, try the top legend and then stop to play to don't lose rank, until end of season.
Also the best players have this approach, just because a lose streak can ruin everything.
Maybe the ranked seasons are too short, or there is something wrong in the ranked design. Most players rank up with the fastest decks, just to have more change to get a "win-streak" because of more games maybe.
Well, I think the ranked season should be redesigned, at the moment it'is just a race every month, and it has not a big value, it's not a real selection of the best players.
RANDOM BALANCE
When the chance to show own skill is very low, because a lot of random is involved in any turn, card, shuffle, etc, there is something wrong. In a game where you can have 10-20 win streak, and then with the same deck you have 10-20 loss streak, just because bad random moments, that is really bad.
Is game a fail itself, and it cannot be balanced? I don't know this. Maybe that could explain the amount of fake tournaments and fake pros in the scene.
BLIZZARD CHAMPIONSHIP
It's the BIG FAKE, it should to select players from legit tournaments, not ranked plays and invited tournaments.
The actual Blizzard Championship is a total fake, it has not any value, it's just a promotion to his product.
REAL CHAMPIONSHIPS
Blizzard, and all the others organizations, should to promote real championships, and if that not possible, Hearthstone is just a FAKE game with FAKE championships and FAKE progamers. All is a fake, that is the point.
Well, why I writing all this? Yes, Why not.
See you guys.
No, he's right - he figured it out...and I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you pesky kids!
Free to try and find a game, dealing cards for sorrow, cards for pain.
Damn it finally happend, a random kid behind a pc games, figured us (the illuminatu) out. Now we can't have our dreams of world domination through Hearthstone happend anytime soon.
We have to try through other means....why do all the sudden have the theme song from Pinky and the brain stuck in my head.
Yes, they don't win as many as... because they are not invited.
Maybe we should call the Fake Detective. (How's that for an old school internet reference?)
Exactly, thanks for reply
Okay I'm bored so I'll bite but let me change the order of the bullet points so it's more consistent.
Your point seems to be not that the balance is random but that the game itself is too random. You say you could win and lose with the same deck 10 times in a row and you are correct. For example if you face the hardcounter 10 times in a row. But the chance of that happening is 0.00001% if we say that 20% of the ladder consists of that hard counter.
RNG is not a problem because over time the average always wins. You get a bad result of shredder in like 2/70 games. 68 games you get the average result. You can have a bad hand after mulligan, it depends on the content of your deck but you have a 60% chance to get at least 1/4 early game cards (if you for example have 4 early game cards). So in over 50% of your games you get what you want/need.
I could go on and on and on. RNG is not a problem because we never look at a single game.
Best ranked players are the guys who had a high enough win rate and played enough games. Does that make a good player? I don't know but I'm fairly sure, people who consistently hit high (low) numbers on the ladder are really good at ranked in every definition.
You can "nerd" as much as you want. If your win rate sucks you can't get to the top. Also it's incorrect, you can lose ranks on legend, you just can't drop out of legend. If you are rank 1 and don't play for a week, you wont be rank 1 anymore.
While HS tournaments are not nearly as interesting as SC2 tournaments in my eyes, your opinion in this case doesn't matter. Big HS tournaments clock in on 60k viewers and more. By definition people seem to do care while nobody gives a shit about WC3 tournaments anymore (sadly). Just imagine a world were people like to watch the most successful HS players battle against each other and then realize that this is the world we life in. If you win enough tournaments you kinda earn the right to be called the best.
Okay, first of, your definition is not the norm. It's a fact that there is a competitive scene in HS, if you like it or not. Even if the illuminati would pick the players for every tournament in the world, it would still be a competitive scene.
Enough people to give other Esport titles a run for their money.
This is the only part were I think that OP is not just a crazy hobo. The invite system is rampant in HS and I agree that it's problematic. As long as enough money is involved you can make really small tournament and still award Blizzcon points. Only half the people have to be qualified.
It would be indeed fairer if pros would just be seeded against each other. That way it would still be more enjoyable to watch but they would have to go through the same process.
Problem is that those processes take time and HS tournaments are already really long, sponsors don't like if it's too long.
I don't have a solution for this but I actually agree that HS is a huge incestuous ball were everyone touches each others butt. Both on player and caster side.
This chart is the problem I see with the system (source: http://eu.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/17776013/join-us-for-the-2015-hearthstone-world-championship-30-01-2015 ). Cups award 10 points for place one. 10k+ tournaments award 100 points and they only have to have 50% qualified.
Well you could argue that it's an unfair system in the sense that as an invitee you get into the top 16 without any work while others have to face a big roster of up to 200 players and more thous having a better chance of both the points and the money. While the rules for the "Cup" seem to be a lot fairer for everyone.
Guess I have fake fun with fake game. I don't care.
Even if all you said was true (i have no idea because the amount of gibberish gave me a migraine before i could finish reading), it doesn't make HS a fake game.
What the hell is a fake game anyway?
"Put your face in the light!" - Tirion Fordring
a fake game is when you think you playing but really is all in your imagination created by the lizard people
I am unpopular and have never won a tournament. Can I have a trophy please? Oh and 5 large wouldn't go amiss either
At least the thread was not deleted in this forums, censored or hided, as in Team Liquid forums and in Reddit, what a shame... I started to post this thread in Team Liquid forums, but sadly it instantly disappeared... and moved in some dark place... same for Reddit...
Turing back on topic, I seen some good answers, and some good point, maybe one only, but ok.
what makes a game fake? do you know fake means?
Anyway, I don't think anybody's arguing that HS is not an esport by definition. After you've gained a certain amount of knowledge and experience about the game there's really nothing you can do to be measurably better than someone else on your level. It's gonna come down to random factors (mostly drawing) and plays that only become "bad" in hindsight but in the moment you can't possibly tell.
But this is just what this game is. I don't really know what your point is. If you are bothered by it then just leave it. Why couldn't they make tournaments if people are interested? And I'm pretty sure people find it entertaining because of the hilarious situations and the unpredictability that the RNG creates. Also to me it's hugely about the warcarft universe as I don't think I'd be interested in this if it was just a random ass card game since I never was before.
Well I never like invitational system, in particular also it is used for official tournaments like Blizzcon. Duranoar seen that point.
You give 10 points for random free tournaments, and 50, 100 points for big tournaments that often use the invitational system.
That is the main reason of this thread, not a competitive purpose, but only I would like to partecipate in a real game.
Hearthstone is fake as hell, cuz every turn the robot draws a card for you, first its analyses everything on the bord ,decks, heaths of the heros, and heaths of the minions and the draws a card when its your turn, nothing is randome, every thing that happens has a very specific reason. the game is bullshit, unfair and fake.
This thread is over 5 years old, brother.
Meddling kids.
Gotta get your Scooby reference right.
There's actually a tiny bit of merit in the OP regarding the GM league being invitation-based.
For anyone who actually watched the league earlier this year, the fact that Pathra was included was cringeworthy and downright embarrassing. I don't think I saw a single match of hers that didn't feature multiple objectively wrong plays. I know, I know, there will always be the white knights who insist I'm jealous of a woman (and of course I am, I could have played far better matches in GM league). But it was a waste of a slot in a highly publicized tournament nonetheless.
Having said that, it's always hilarious to hear someone insist that there's no skill involved in getting to the highest numbers of legend or qualifying for the highest-level tournaments. My response is always the same: If that's true, why don't you do it? There's a lot of money on the line; if it's so easy, you'd assume more folks would take advantage to this quick and easy path to cash. But of course, no one . . . NO ONE . . . who believes it's just a matter of how many games you play has ever seen the low end of top 50 legend. Because most players could play a hundred thousand games and never get there. You would eventually run into a combination of skill and counter picks that would lower your win rate below 50% and you'd be hard stuck. Happens to a lot of folks, and it will happen to you.
I continue to think there's some content to be mined from getting posters like this to watch old professional matches and describe how they would play out a given turn. I bet I could pick out 100 or so points in old pro games where a player had a particularly complex turn ahead of him and pulled out a masterful play that the vast majority of these sorts of posters would never spot. There is definitely a level of play that most players never reach, and while many games will go by where there isn't some incredibly complex, "only the best of the best spot the play", situation will come up, sooner or later those circumstances do come up. You just have to watch for them.
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