I'm not saying aggro Warrior and Shaman are bad, but I think most of the folks complaining about them being OP haven't really played them.
I've been testing out Pirate Warrior and Pirate Shaman and it's not any more easy to grind the ladder than running a bunch of the other random crap that I like to play. The only real upside is that they are faster. It's not like you queue up with aggro shaman and go 100-0 all the way to legend.
If people aren't playing aggro themselves, then they are playing insane anti-aggro and you winning or losing is a coin flip at best either way.
Hopefully the nerfs help because the game is fucked either way right now. Hunter is dead, most decks are the same, grimy goons is failed mechanic (which sucks because it might be the best anti Jade mechanic post nerfs) and all the old meta had been nerfed out of existence or made unplayable due to power creep and pirates. Standard rotation should "solve" some of the issues, but hopefully it doesn't create more.
I don't know for sure when the best meta was, but I think the most fun was around the Mid-range Paladin days. It wasn't the #1 deck, but it could beat a lot of the best decks and it was fun to play. Lots of thinking and decisions if you made it past the onslaught of Hunters at the time.
Even back then aggro was fun to play as and against for some reason. Maybe it felt more fair since you could make it to turn 7 more times than not.
I don't really feel that salty, just a little.....weird. I feel a little bad that someone auto-friends me after a match just to insult me and run away (in Casual, like usual), but is that somehow okay if I was playing pirates? All I got was "lol playing cancer at rank 10, f****t"
My thoughts are this;
- Yes, Turn 1 STB into turn 2 Coin, dagger, STB is pretty lucky, but I'm so used to my pirates getting blasted, I figured you might have had a Volcanic Potion or something.
- I'm sorry for the "Wow" emote, but your turn 3 concede genuinely surprised me. I shouldn't rub salt into wounds, maybe you were have a bad run of the day. I apologize.
- Yes, I have pirates in my deck, because it makes it work better. Honestly I feel like Rogues should be the ones allowed to play pirates with a hero power like that.
- Since you didn't concede right when you saw I was Rogue, I'm sorry I wasn't playing a more "pure" non-pirate Miracle Rogue like I'm supposed to, but I don't have Edwin. Also I don't even know you.
- Maybe if you'd played past turn 2, you'd have seen the rest of my "cancer" Jade N'Zoth Rogue...
dear blizzard, please do something to fix the cancer casual meta. im sick of playing against ladder decks when i want to screw around with a fun experimental deck.
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I don't really feel that salty, just a little.....weird. I feel a little bad that someone auto-friends me after a match just to insult me and run away (in Casual, like usual), but is that somehow okay if I was playing pirates? All I got was "lol playing cancer at rank 10, f****t"
My thoughts are this;
- Yes, Turn 1 STB into turn 2 Coin, dagger, STB is pretty lucky, but I'm so used to my pirates getting blasted, I figured you might have had a Volcanic Potion or something.
- I'm sorry for the "Wow" emote, but your turn 3 concede genuinely surprised me. I shouldn't rub salt into wounds, maybe you were have a bad run of the day. I apologize.
- Yes, I have pirates in my deck, because it makes it work better. Honestly I feel like Rogues should be the ones allowed to play pirates with a hero power like that.
- Since you didn't concede right when you saw I was Rogue, I'm sorry I wasn't playing a more "pure" non-pirate Miracle Rogue like I'm supposed to, but I don't have Edwin. Also I don't even know you.
- Maybe if you'd played past turn 2, you'd have seen the rest of my "cancer" Jade N'Zoth Rogue...
There is a lot of frustration with Pirates right now, as most players are abusing Blizzard's inability to make a balanced game. It's like everything, once an exploit is known - the little sheep will follow. It's no coincidence that Sheep's are one of the dumbest animals on the planet. So when you play Pirates in casual, you will get hate. It is to be expected to receive hate because you are bringing into a non-competitive mode a competitive element. Maybe you want attention, even if it's bad attention. Maybe you are infatuated with Pirates. Heck, I bet some people were infatuated with Hitler, they had all the right in world to like Hitler - just like we all have all the right in the world to hate Hitler and any other person that liked him.
So, STFU, take it and move on. You had it coming.
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Go and watch a legitimate CCG tournament. Or a legitimate esport event. Then compare to the 5,482 Pirate Warrior mirrors at the "Americas Championship" this weekend. No wonder the other dev teams at Blizzard look at the Hearthstone team as a joke.
I don't really feel that salty, just a little.....weird. I feel a little bad that someone auto-friends me after a match just to insult me and run away (in Casual, like usual), but is that somehow okay if I was playing pirates? All I got was "lol playing cancer at rank 10, f****t"
My thoughts are this;
- Yes, Turn 1 STB into turn 2 Coin, dagger, STB is pretty lucky, but I'm so used to my pirates getting blasted, I figured you might have had a Volcanic Potion or something.
- I'm sorry for the "Wow" emote, but your turn 3 concede genuinely surprised me. I shouldn't rub salt into wounds, maybe you were have a bad run of the day. I apologize.
- Yes, I have pirates in my deck, because it makes it work better. Honestly I feel like Rogues should be the ones allowed to play pirates with a hero power like that.
- Since you didn't concede right when you saw I was Rogue, I'm sorry I wasn't playing a more "pure" non-pirate Miracle Rogue like I'm supposed to, but I don't have Edwin. Also I don't even know you.
- Maybe if you'd played past turn 2, you'd have seen the rest of my "cancer" Jade N'Zoth Rogue...
I feel you, I play a cancer burgle rogue on casual too and I have people who concede early too thinking is the normal meta rogue piracle face deck.
But sorry not sorry to play the pirate package. It is just the best possible early game and if you don't run it, people who run it just gonna roll over your face like there is no tomorrow.
I fucking hate the steaming pile of shit that is Arena. For fuck's sake. It takes the balance of pirate warrior/shaman and makes it look legit. Every fucking thing I play, my opponent has an answer. I find myself asking something that I heard Kripp ask once, "Can you [opponent] please just NOT play something?" I establish a strong early board -- enemy AoEs it. I play four minions, enemy has MC Tech in hand. Of course I play around MC Tech, but it's always that once instance where it fucks you.
I typically play mage, priest, warlock in arena. My best is probably with priest. But fuck, I just can't win. I think my average win rate is probably 2-3 wins. Sometimes with priest I'll go 5-6 wins. But it seems like my opponent always has better cards. My last few games? Opponent drops fucking Al'akir out of nowhere. Takes out my 5/3 and a 2/2, and then I have to trade in to it of course. Where's my god damn legendaries?
And the one time I actually get kazakhas, and proceed to build a deck around it, I end up facing another fucking player with it. Jesus christ... and then my resses a fucking 1/1. Awesome.
Shamans with 7/7s on turn 4. Priests with endless buffs -- like their entire fucking hand is filled with Velen's Chosen. Or that Warlock who has the Blastcrystal Potion in hand just at the right moment.
Jesus, I thought Hearthstone ranked was enough of a clown fiesta of randomness, but Arena takes the cake.
so warsong commander was nerfed because flooding the board with patrons and dealing 50+ damage wasn't fun or interactive, but tundra rhino is totally fine? why the fuck wasn't this nerfed to oblivion?
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either delete casual entirely or fix the cancerous casual meta. I am fucking sick of playing against nothing but tier 1 and 2 constructed ladder deck in casual. it should be a place to try fun new ideas, not "i have a priest quest, I have no choice but to play dragon priest."
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Reno Priest. Reno Mage. Renoloc. Jade Druid. Pirate Warrior. Shaaaaman. Dragon priest. Could standard ladder be any more full of the same, boring, vomit inducing netdecks at every rank? 90% of the player base clearly have no originality and no self-respect: "I just need to win - fuck thinking and who cares if half my games are mirror matches - he who has the best dirty rat, earliest STB, or early game Reno wins. " So sad. so boring. This game is in a terrible, terrible state. Nerfs announced aren't going to fix this problem of a stale meta with a handful of OP netdecks. You got rank 5? Congratulations. Means literally nothing other than you ground a couple of broken decks that someone else came up with for a few days. So very sad.
TLDR; salty because I face the same boring, OP netdecks again, and again, and again.
I fucking hate the steaming pile of shit that is Arena. For fuck's sake. It takes the balance of pirate warrior/shaman and makes it look legit. Every fucking thing I play, my opponent has an answer. I find myself asking something that I heard Kripp ask once, "Can you [opponent] please just NOT play something?" I establish a strong early board -- enemy AoEs it. I play four minions, enemy has MC Tech in hand. Of course I play around MC Tech, but it's always that once instance where it fucks you.
I typically play mage, priest, warlock in arena. My best is probably with priest. But fuck, I just can't win. I think my average win rate is probably 2-3 wins. Sometimes with priest I'll go 5-6 wins. But it seems like my opponent always has better cards. My last few games? Opponent drops fucking Al'akir out of nowhere. Takes out my 5/3 and a 2/2, and then I have to trade in to it of course. Where's my god damn legendaries?
And the one time I actually get kazakhas, and proceed to build a deck around it, I end up facing another fucking player with it. Jesus christ... and then my resses a fucking 1/1. Awesome.
Shamans with 7/7s on turn 4. Priests with endless buffs -- like their entire fucking hand is filled with Velen's Chosen. Or that Warlock who has the Blastcrystal Potion in hand just at the right moment.
Jesus, I thought Hearthstone ranked was enough of a clown fiesta of randomness, but Arena takes the cake.
Agreed w/ the post, but your Arena winrate would increase significantly if you stopped playing around way-out-there cards such as MCT.
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I fucking hate the steaming pile of shit that is Arena. For fuck's sake. It takes the balance of pirate warrior/shaman and makes it look legit. Every fucking thing I play, my opponent has an answer. I find myself asking something that I heard Kripp ask once, "Can you [opponent] please just NOT play something?" I establish a strong early board -- enemy AoEs it. I play four minions, enemy has MC Tech in hand. Of course I play around MC Tech, but it's always that once instance where it fucks you.
I typically play mage, priest, warlock in arena. My best is probably with priest. But fuck, I just can't win. I think my average win rate is probably 2-3 wins. Sometimes with priest I'll go 5-6 wins. But it seems like my opponent always has better cards. My last few games? Opponent drops fucking Al'akir out of nowhere. Takes out my 5/3 and a 2/2, and then I have to trade in to it of course. Where's my god damn legendaries?
And the one time I actually get kazakhas, and proceed to build a deck around it, I end up facing another fucking player with it. Jesus christ... and then my resses a fucking 1/1. Awesome.
Shamans with 7/7s on turn 4. Priests with endless buffs -- like their entire fucking hand is filled with Velen's Chosen. Or that Warlock who has the Blastcrystal Potion in hand just at the right moment.
Jesus, I thought Hearthstone ranked was enough of a clown fiesta of randomness, but Arena takes the cake.
Agreed w/ the post, but your Arena winrate would increase significantly if you stopped playing around way-out-there cards such as MCT.
I agree. I play Arena pretty much infinitively (last 6 runs went >7 wins for instance).
Playing around McT is something I only do when I am already winning anyways. Playing around Flamestrike is always a valid concern- and gamble though.
Bare Leeroy + Conceal on turn 6? No problem, I just top decked Blizzard. HAHA JUST KIDDING, my opponent got Counterspell from Swashburglar on turn 1.
Another game hand delievered to my opponent, nothing to do with skill or play.
Well to be fair, if he had counterspell up as a secret since turn 3 then you should have been attempting to play around it
He didn't have it up since turn 3 and I was way behind on board with zero spells in hand. I had to take the risk. Don't come into the salt thread pretending you know what was going on in the game or like it's somehow my fault.
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Then is the same bullshit for new players on both servers, that sucks
I'm not saying aggro Warrior and Shaman are bad, but I think most of the folks complaining about them being OP haven't really played them.
I've been testing out Pirate Warrior and Pirate Shaman and it's not any more easy to grind the ladder than running a bunch of the other random crap that I like to play. The only real upside is that they are faster. It's not like you queue up with aggro shaman and go 100-0 all the way to legend.
If people aren't playing aggro themselves, then they are playing insane anti-aggro and you winning or losing is a coin flip at best either way.
Hopefully the nerfs help because the game is fucked either way right now. Hunter is dead, most decks are the same, grimy goons is failed mechanic (which sucks because it might be the best anti Jade mechanic post nerfs) and all the old meta had been nerfed out of existence or made unplayable due to power creep and pirates. Standard rotation should "solve" some of the issues, but hopefully it doesn't create more.
I don't know for sure when the best meta was, but I think the most fun was around the Mid-range Paladin days. It wasn't the #1 deck, but it could beat a lot of the best decks and it was fun to play. Lots of thinking and decisions if you made it past the onslaught of Hunters at the time.
Even back then aggro was fun to play as and against for some reason. Maybe it felt more fair since you could make it to turn 7 more times than not.
I don't really feel that salty, just a little.....weird. I feel a little bad that someone auto-friends me after a match just to insult me and run away (in Casual, like usual), but is that somehow okay if I was playing pirates? All I got was "lol playing cancer at rank 10, f****t"
My thoughts are this;
- Yes, Turn 1 STB into turn 2 Coin, dagger, STB is pretty lucky, but I'm so used to my pirates getting blasted, I figured you might have had a Volcanic Potion or something.
- I'm sorry for the "Wow" emote, but your turn 3 concede genuinely surprised me. I shouldn't rub salt into wounds, maybe you were have a bad run of the day. I apologize.
- Yes, I have pirates in my deck, because it makes it work better. Honestly I feel like Rogues should be the ones allowed to play pirates with a hero power like that.
- Since you didn't concede right when you saw I was Rogue, I'm sorry I wasn't playing a more "pure" non-pirate Miracle Rogue like I'm supposed to, but I don't have Edwin. Also I don't even know you.
- Maybe if you'd played past turn 2, you'd have seen the rest of my "cancer" Jade N'Zoth Rogue...
dear blizzard, please do something to fix the cancer casual meta. im sick of playing against ladder decks when i want to screw around with a fun experimental deck.
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Go and watch a legitimate CCG tournament. Or a legitimate esport event. Then compare to the 5,482 Pirate Warrior mirrors at the "Americas Championship" this weekend. No wonder the other dev teams at Blizzard look at the Hearthstone team as a joke.
CCGing since '98.
I fucking hate the steaming pile of shit that is Arena. For fuck's sake. It takes the balance of pirate warrior/shaman and makes it look legit. Every fucking thing I play, my opponent has an answer. I find myself asking something that I heard Kripp ask once, "Can you [opponent] please just NOT play something?" I establish a strong early board -- enemy AoEs it. I play four minions, enemy has MC Tech in hand. Of course I play around MC Tech, but it's always that once instance where it fucks you.
I typically play mage, priest, warlock in arena. My best is probably with priest. But fuck, I just can't win. I think my average win rate is probably 2-3 wins. Sometimes with priest I'll go 5-6 wins. But it seems like my opponent always has better cards. My last few games? Opponent drops fucking Al'akir out of nowhere. Takes out my 5/3 and a 2/2, and then I have to trade in to it of course. Where's my god damn legendaries?
And the one time I actually get kazakhas, and proceed to build a deck around it, I end up facing another fucking player with it. Jesus christ... and then my resses a fucking 1/1. Awesome.
Shamans with 7/7s on turn 4. Priests with endless buffs -- like their entire fucking hand is filled with Velen's Chosen. Or that Warlock who has the Blastcrystal Potion in hand just at the right moment.
Jesus, I thought Hearthstone ranked was enough of a clown fiesta of randomness, but Arena takes the cake.
so warsong commander was nerfed because flooding the board with patrons and dealing 50+ damage wasn't fun or interactive, but tundra rhino is totally fine? why the fuck wasn't this nerfed to oblivion?
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dear blizzard/team 5/ben brode:
either delete casual entirely or fix the cancerous casual meta. I am fucking sick of playing against nothing but tier 1 and 2 constructed ladder deck in casual. it should be a place to try fun new ideas, not "i have a priest quest, I have no choice but to play dragon priest."
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Reno Priest. Reno Mage. Renoloc. Jade Druid. Pirate Warrior. Shaaaaman. Dragon priest. Could standard ladder be any more full of the same, boring, vomit inducing netdecks at every rank? 90% of the player base clearly have no originality and no self-respect: "I just need to win - fuck thinking and who cares if half my games are mirror matches - he who has the best dirty rat, earliest STB, or early game Reno wins. " So sad. so boring. This game is in a terrible, terrible state. Nerfs announced aren't going to fix this problem of a stale meta with a handful of OP netdecks. You got rank 5? Congratulations. Means literally nothing other than you ground a couple of broken decks that someone else came up with for a few days. So very sad.
TLDR; salty because I face the same boring, OP netdecks again, and again, and again.
This is for those who still dare to argue shaman isn't horribly designed.
Fuck cubelock
Still so sick and tired of seeing pirate warrior after pirate warrior -_-.
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My experience in casual summed up in one picture.
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