You can't make homebrews anymore. I've noticed since a long time ago, that if you play a deck intended by Blizzard, you will draw perfect cards all the time, no matter what. But if you bring a homebrew, you'll draw any card you have but can't play or is unplayable that turn, even if you have built-in counters. Netdeck, change one card and I guarantee that you will lose 9/10 times.
And for all of you 'the game is rigged against you/not in you favor' actors, is the game only rigged against me? What about my opponent?
This game is just getting worse and worse... and it's so obvious. I'm not even gonna get into BG, that mode is just awful atm; Only highroll and perfect hit-wins. Man, this game is killing itself.
And if you believe in random matchups, you have never done anything but netdeck.
I'm not oblivious, ofc there are decks/metas that are 'the best'. But here it is: I strongly believe that Blizzard does this intentionally to make people feel like they have to spend money to get and play the winning decks.
This isn't a 'conspiracy' thread, it's just a rant about how the game is getting more and more boring to play...
you are playing a best-of-one online card game. "Creative experimentation" (aka making the narrow archetypes provided less efficient) was never considered viable.
They must have missed me cause I've made at least diamond 5 playing my own decks with minimal to no effort every season.
On top of that, it's a weird choice by Evul Blizz to make cheap, almost common-only decks S-tier for the last couple expansions if they're trying to force players to spend money.
This IS just a stupid rant. Game is not more boring to play at all. As classic showed clearly, old Hearthstone was a boring experience comparing to what we have now. And yes, you must netdeck. It's the simple consequence of game increasing complexity.
Not only. In the beginnig Hearthstone was way more focused on Stats or Mechanics that lead to more stats (Deathrattle etc.).
Nowadays Hearthstone is intentionally build around a new mechanic usually more powerful than older ones, that you have to use! (Wich includes mostly specific cards that really go well with that deck, everything besides the best card delays the goal of the deck.)
So i can see OP´s point of view that there is no room for homebrew decks because in the early days the tradeoffs were way less significant.
You could put instead of an 4 Mana 4/5 a 4 Mana 3/4 that also heals you, so maybe this saves you or its useless against non aggro. Many options were viable, and it gave you the feeling to do a smart choice when you countered this way an aggro deck.
Today the decks are way more powerfull and aim to win on turn 5 or flood the board with 30 Mana minions by turn 7 and so on. So every card you change or try different, most likely makes the performance worse. (Obviously people still can play with some homebrew stuff til rank 5 Diamond)
The question is if Hearthstone should be a homebrew experience, wich certainly would ad a layer of joy to some people. (The theory-craft guys would fit in that area)
Or if its meant to played with the best cards Blizzard came up with lately, and the joy is simply a result of playing well.
It is indeed possible that players who use Blizzard's proposed decks (or popular decks from netdecking) seem to have better draw or more synergy, especially in formats like Standard. This could be due to the fact that these decks are optimized for each meta, and Blizzard is trying to make the decks more consistent and efficient
Homebrew was never really a thing, you can make a case for it before we broke down hearthstone into pure statistics through hsreplay (mainly), vicioussyndicate or other stat collecting websites.
Hearthstone has, for years, been about taking some cards that are huge power outliers, and pairing them with the best support cards. With data for thousands of games available, you can find out what the weakest cards in the deck are, and phase them out. It's a team effort, actually, where every player is a small cog in the machine that makes the best decks.
How about homebrew streamers/competitive players? Thinking of Viper, NoHandsGamer, DaneHS, etc. there are many examples of players making off meta decks work. But it's often because they reach the peak of the peak, where it's quite predictable what you will be facing. And if an unexpected class happens to line up well against the top meta decks, it can be seen as successful homebrew.
In reality, for any games, the more players you have, the more hyper focused and refined decks will be.
Maybe it's just me, but my impression is that the suggested decks 95% of the time are absolute garbage. I also think that you can climb decently with homebrew if you can counter at least one of the most popular decks.... Not saying that your elemental mage counter will hit legend but you can probably hit D10-5 if it doesn't stink against everything else
As others pointed out, a DECENT homebrew should get you to Diamond 5 (because of the win streak stars), but it's a net deck from D5-Legend. I usually do homebrew until D5, then net deck to Legend, and once in Legends since I don't aim for high Legend ranks, I play my homebrews again because I put my favorite cards in them, so I ENJOY playing the game.
However, some net decks (for me, elemental/asteroid-shaman/mage) are just boring to play against. I mean come on you are already in Legends loosen up a little.
Everyone should use homebrews for them to be effective. so long as Blizzard gives you Prebaked decks even BEFORE the expansion's official launch there will be no room for creativity and homebrews in competition.
It's bullshit, Blizzard doesn't give you anything prebaked. Blizzard gives people tools, some tools are better than the others and best players find out which ones. Homebrewers are just bad players who think they found good tools nobody noticed, they try to make good decks with them and they fail, obviously.
Homebrewing was much more sensible when Hearthstone was this boring game with limited synergies and websites with meta analysis were scarce. Now trying to homebrew is just a waste of time.
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You can't make homebrews anymore. I've noticed since a long time ago, that if you play a deck intended by Blizzard, you will draw perfect cards all the time, no matter what. But if you bring a homebrew, you'll draw any card you have but can't play or is unplayable that turn, even if you have built-in counters. Netdeck, change one card and I guarantee that you will lose 9/10 times.
And for all of you 'the game is rigged against you/not in you favor' actors, is the game only rigged against me? What about my opponent?
This game is just getting worse and worse... and it's so obvious. I'm not even gonna get into BG, that mode is just awful atm; Only highroll and perfect hit-wins. Man, this game is killing itself.
And if you believe in random matchups, you have never done anything but netdeck.
I'm not oblivious, ofc there are decks/metas that are 'the best'. But here it is: I strongly believe that Blizzard does this intentionally to make people feel like they have to spend money to get and play the winning decks.
This isn't a 'conspiracy' thread, it's just a rant about how the game is getting more and more boring to play...
you are playing a best-of-one online card game. "Creative experimentation" (aka making the narrow archetypes provided less efficient) was never considered viable.
They must have missed me cause I've made at least diamond 5 playing my own decks with minimal to no effort every season.
On top of that, it's a weird choice by Evul Blizz to make cheap, almost common-only decks S-tier for the last couple expansions if they're trying to force players to spend money.
🙄🙄🙄 Big Blizz just keeping the Andys down
This IS just a stupid rant. Game is not more boring to play at all. As classic showed clearly, old Hearthstone was a boring experience comparing to what we have now. And yes, you must netdeck. It's the simple consequence of game increasing complexity.
Not only.
In the beginnig Hearthstone was way more focused on Stats or Mechanics that lead to more stats (Deathrattle etc.).
Nowadays Hearthstone is intentionally build around a new mechanic usually more powerful than older ones, that you have to use! (Wich includes mostly specific cards that really go well with that deck, everything besides the best card delays the goal of the deck.)
So i can see OP´s point of view that there is no room for homebrew decks because in the early days the tradeoffs were way less significant.
You could put instead of an 4 Mana 4/5 a 4 Mana 3/4 that also heals you, so maybe this saves you or its useless against non aggro. Many options were viable, and it gave you the feeling to do a smart choice when you countered this way an aggro deck.
Today the decks are way more powerfull and aim to win on turn 5 or flood the board with 30 Mana minions by turn 7 and so on. So every card you change or try different, most likely makes the performance worse. (Obviously people still can play with some homebrew stuff til rank 5 Diamond)
The question is if Hearthstone should be a homebrew experience, wich certainly would ad a layer of joy to some people. (The theory-craft guys would fit in that area)
Or if its meant to played with the best cards Blizzard came up with lately, and the joy is simply a result of playing well.
It is indeed possible that players who use Blizzard's proposed decks (or popular decks from netdecking) seem to have better draw or more synergy, especially in formats like Standard. This could be due to the fact that these decks are optimized for each meta, and Blizzard is trying to make the decks more consistent and efficient
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Homebrew was never really a thing, you can make a case for it before we broke down hearthstone into pure statistics through hsreplay (mainly), vicioussyndicate or other stat collecting websites.
Hearthstone has, for years, been about taking some cards that are huge power outliers, and pairing them with the best support cards. With data for thousands of games available, you can find out what the weakest cards in the deck are, and phase them out. It's a team effort, actually, where every player is a small cog in the machine that makes the best decks.
How about homebrew streamers/competitive players? Thinking of Viper, NoHandsGamer, DaneHS, etc. there are many examples of players making off meta decks work. But it's often because they reach the peak of the peak, where it's quite predictable what you will be facing. And if an unexpected class happens to line up well against the top meta decks, it can be seen as successful homebrew.
In reality, for any games, the more players you have, the more hyper focused and refined decks will be.
Interesting observation...
Maybe it's just me, but my impression is that the suggested decks 95% of the time are absolute garbage. I also think that you can climb decently with homebrew if you can counter at least one of the most popular decks.... Not saying that your elemental mage counter will hit legend but you can probably hit D10-5 if it doesn't stink against everything else
As others pointed out, a DECENT homebrew should get you to Diamond 5 (because of the win streak stars), but it's a net deck from D5-Legend. I usually do homebrew until D5, then net deck to Legend, and once in Legends since I don't aim for high Legend ranks, I play my homebrews again because I put my favorite cards in them, so I ENJOY playing the game.
However, some net decks (for me, elemental/asteroid-shaman/mage) are just boring to play against. I mean come on you are already in Legends loosen up a little.
Everyone should use homebrews for them to be effective. so long as Blizzard gives you Prebaked decks even BEFORE the expansion's official launch there will be no room for creativity and homebrews in competition.
It's bullshit, Blizzard doesn't give you anything prebaked. Blizzard gives people tools, some tools are better than the others and best players find out which ones. Homebrewers are just bad players who think they found good tools nobody noticed, they try to make good decks with them and they fail, obviously.
Homebrewing was much more sensible when Hearthstone was this boring game with limited synergies and websites with meta analysis were scarce. Now trying to homebrew is just a waste of time.