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I actually couldn’t help but not laugh at this. I know there is those die hard hearthstone players that will rush to defend them any chance they get. But the match making in this game is hilarious.

made some random stupid control deck and faced nothing but other control decks in wild all day just messing around while also instantly getting sued for games. So I got bored and switched to my quest mage deck at random times and suddenly it takes 2-3 mins for the game to find an opponent and it’s always a rush deck after this happening 3-4 times, I swap back to my control deck and suddenly I’m getting inst. games again with other control deck, zero rush. Not even a secret mage or even shaman.

so again I test it and back to the same waiting 2-3 mins to find an opponent and bam you guessed it rush decks. 4-5 more games I swap back and it’s you guessed instant games.

I know there will be thoses that will say it’s not real that blizz. March making doesn’t suddenly match you against decks that can’t isn’t. Beat you and blah blah blah. But we all know they do, it’s more than likely picks out key cards and that’s how the system know who to match you against instead of it actually being random.

Is that your excuse for not getting better?

here they are the  hearthstone white knights rushing to defend when it’s been a known fact.

Is there some system that wants you to be in 50%-ish wr? Sure it is. How do you trying to better knowing about that? Complaining!)

Dude, there is "Steam off" topic for that type of words. 

*His dazzling white armor glittered in the sun as he walking away*

I also believe blizzard has a match making system based on which cards you select for your deck

I think the good topic would be about "how matchmaking works?". I think it compares some cards wr against the others so "the system" will understand which opponent is your best to achieve the goal of 50%.

Quote from kiljaedan >>

here they are the  hearthstone white knights rushing to defend when it’s been a known fact.

The only known thing here is the rhetoric that is used over and over again in these topics:

"Here is the thing I can't prove but it's true and if you disagree you are a Blizzard shill and white knight. Therefore I'm right."

You have nothing but your few anecdotal data points. If you want to make that claim, back it up with an actual dataset and have an explanation why this was never discovered by the bigger data sites.

Quote from Banur >>

Quote from kiljaedan >>

here they are the  hearthstone white knights rushing to defend when it’s been a known fact.

The only known thing here is the rhetoric that is used over and over again in these topics:

"Here is the thing I can't prove but it's true and if you disagree you are a Blizzard shill and white knight. Therefore I'm right."

You have nothing but your few anecdotal data points. If you want to make that claim, back it up with an actual dataset and have an explanation why this was never discovered by the bigger data sites.

 It's very easy to make the system be aware of probing it. Remeber, you are using ONE account each time you play.

System: "hey, this account faced 80% of my scripted decks in the last 50 games. It's getting obvious. Lets change back to either true pseudorandom or simply the negated scripting (i.e. don't face decks with certain cards)"

Player: "hmm, i've had 50 games that seemed to be against scripted opponents. But the next 10 were all over the place, and it continued to be like this for a while. Hmm, must've been an unlucky randomness streak with a 0.00001% chance. Nevermind, it happens, blizzard would never do this anyway".

System: "gottem. No big data website is gonna find out. Now let's reset the time variable for this account (yea, the variable that determines - after how many days of playing and/or being offline and/or matches played reached a certain number since the last script run - how often this scripted matchmaking should run)"

It's funny how easy it is to implement something like this, which doesn't even need to be complicated.

Lol, this topic.

Buddy this is for you:

https://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/general-discussion/212005-group-therapy-need-to-blow-off-steam-mega-salty

Quote from CrusaderRO >>

It's very easy to make the system be aware of probing it. Remeber, you are using ONE account each time you play.

System: "hey, this account faced 80% of my scripted decks in the last 50 games. It's getting obvious. Lets change back to either true pseudorandom or simply the negated scripting (i.e. don't face decks with certain cards)"

Player: "hmm, i've had 50 games that seemed to be against scripted opponents. But the next 10 were all over the place, and it continued to be like this for a while. Hmm, must've been an unlucky randomness streak with a 0.00001% chance. Nevermind, it happens, blizzard would never do this anyway".

System: "gottem. No big data website is gonna find out. Now let's reset the time variable for this account (yea, the variable that determines - after how many days of playing and/or being offline and/or matches played reached a certain number since the last script run - how often this scripted matchmaking should run)"

It's funny how easy it is to implement something like this, which doesn't even need to be complicated.

But that makes no sense.

You say that there is fixed matchmaking going on - but in order to prevent it from being detected in large datasets, the system is also providing random matchmaking that makes the fixed matchmaking seem appear as statistically normal.

That's like saying rolling a die is fixed to show six all the time - but there are enough of the other numbers to appear as if it's a 1-in-6 chance.

#edit: or rather you say that in order to prevent it from being detected by a single player, you have random data points which leads the person to assume them being an outlier in the larger dataset. That is more plausible in the smaller scope of a single person but fails in the larger picture as that is an aggregate of single persons which would all display that dynamic.

I mean. As hard as i try not to believe in these conspiracy theories.. When even shaman with Snowfall Guardian was broken, and i had like 70% matches against them, most of em losing to this stupid card. I put Living Dragonbreath in my deck, and suddenly i haven't faced any of those guys. 
But im forcing myself to believe it was coindence

But y'all always say that BLIZZARD is forcing people to have ~50% WR 
But how about it? Playin meme - reno and/or mill druid
https://imgur.com/a/jBkvw1N
Any ideas why i have WR over 51%? While meme'ing on legend ladder?

I confirm the game is totaly rigged ! 

I just want a tournament-ish mode

Quote from Yollowolf2 >>

But y'all always say that BLIZZARD is forcing people to have ~50% WR 
But how about it? Playin meme - reno and/or mill druid
https://imgur.com/a/jBkvw1N
Any ideas why i have WR over 51%? While meme'ing on legend ladder?

A forced 50% is what the "rigged!" crowd wants you to believe. The MMR or any ELO system doesn't work that way though.

Yes, in the end, once you reached your proper rating, it would result in a 50% WR. But HS isn't chess with a static environment and zero randomness. On your way to your proper rating you can have a higher or lower WR and even after reaching your rating, you can play a different deck, in a different meta, under different conditions (tired, tilted, ...) or just have bad RNG that will result in different WR.

The system matches you to someone of equal rating, assuming that it reflects your skill. Winning means an increase in rating and playing against people with higher rating (and potentially skill), while losing lowers your rating and results in games against people with lower rating (and potentially lower skill).

That's why the proof of HS being "rigged" by intentionally conceding and then having a win streak afterwards, is rather pointless: it's throwing in the towel to be relegated to the toddler group and then magically winning.

OP.  You may be right but if you want people to take you seriously, I'm afraid that you can't merely say "This happened to me". 

Play 20 games using a selection of decks and record your game session to provide proof of what you're saying.  Then a detractor can do the same and we'll see.

In fact, everyone reading this has the ability to try it and see what happens so we can judge for ourselves.  Perhaps if we generate enough data, we can come to a measured conclusion.  After all, if there -is- a problem, we should do something to fix it, rather than just talking about it.

Could we make a thread about the matchmaking with a FAQ so that we could systematically direct fallacious statements regarding the issue which keeps comimg up? Defining what ‘rigged’ means and take it from there? Make it stickie? If anything, it’d give 3nnui and PPoison777 a place to voice their concerns. 

As Banur so eloquently put, that disagreement = white knight argument is so, so, so weak, even for an Ad Hominem, and that’s saying a lot. Just because you dislike a company doesn’t mean you have to blindly accept every criticism levied against it, surely this much can be agreed upon.