The class has just been released, with an entirely new and exclusive mechanic at its core, and the first ever great dk list found decides the best course of action is to cast it aside entirely? If thats not an indication the mechanic is failing, what is then?
“the first ever great dk list found” Do you think someone had an Eureka moment and found something new? Burn decks are just bad when the majority of decks have more health than your reach. Now the majority of decks are back within reach and burn is good. The buffs to DK aren’t responsible for that, the meta changing is.
It’s that simple. DK hasn’t done anything on it’s own.
Frost doesn't use corpses as much by design. It just happens to be the most powerful of the DKs with the existing cards.
Before Renathal's nerf Blood was the only playable DK and some of it's most important cards use corpses. As for Unholy, It's problem isn't the corpse mechanic but rather that it has weak cards altogether. It's just a bad version of token Druid.
Would you have preferred that this stupid cash-grab of a class to be overpowered, like DH was? I guess people complain no matter what. Boy, i'm glad to not be playing this shit anymore, because of all these entitled pricks.
Frost cant generate many corpses cuz its spell based, so lets make the class work great w/o any need for them? Does that make sense to you?
Yes. That makes sense to me, and I'm 100% fine with it.
There's more pressing matters with DK right now such as its ability to discover rune cards outside of its deckbuilding (triple blood DK getting shit like scourge/frostwyrm fury as a control deck is a bit silly), leading to DK decks being 1/3 discover cards (vizier, pandaren, school teacher, scorpid, vulpera etc). Also the complete unusability of corpse cards from spell generation marks the first in cards that can never ever be used no matter what else you could possibly steal in the game (army of the dead, corpse explosion will forever do nothing in any other class).
Frost doesn't use corpses as much by design. It just happens to be the most powerful of the DKs with the existing cards.
Before Renathal's nerf Blood was the only playable DK and some of it's most important cards use corpses. As for Unholy, It's problem isn't the corpse mechanic but rather that it has weak cards altogether. It's just a bad version of token Druid.
The mechanic isn't the problem, it's the cards.
Unholy feels weak cuz it requires corpses more than any other dk. Try the deck once and you will understand how bad the mechanic is. There are corpse taxes everywhere, and they give you NOTHING more than other classes get for only paying mana. Frost doesnt need to pay this stupid unnecessary tax to access its best payoffs, so it feels and performs way better.
The class has just been released, with an entirely new and exclusive mechanic at its core, and the first ever great dk list found decides the best course of action is to cast it aside entirely? If thats not an indication the mechanic is failing, what is then?
An indication of the mechanic being a failure would be it never being used in any strong decks.
You're talking about one deck, one that's doing OK after the most recent round of nerfs.
Maybe next expansion they'll print some strong Unholy cards and then Frost will be a FAILURE.
Or maybe, like every other class, DK will have multiple archetypes and which one's best will vary from expansion to expansion.
What raised the red flag for me was Frost dk not using Defrost. Why? What kind of burn deck would refuse to draw 2 cards for 2 mana?
Thats cuz Defrost never draws 2 on turn 2. Hell, it draws 2 on turns 4, maybe 5. The fundamental flaw of corpses is that it is a resource difficult to generate yourself, most of the time you must wait for your opponent to remove your minions first, which always delays your payoff by 1 or 2 turns. Allowing your resources to be easily manipulated by your opponent is just bad no matter how you look at it.
Frost will ALWAYS be the best dk deck if the corpse mechanic keeps working like this. Why pay double taxes in a game that encourages us to evade them as much as possible?
Frost cant generate many corpses cuz its spell based, so lets make the class work great w/o any need for them? Does that make sense to you?
Yes. That makes sense to me, and I'm 100% fine with it.
There's more pressing matters with DK right now such as its ability to discover rune cards outside of its deckbuilding (triple blood DK getting shit like scourge/frostwyrm fury as a control deck is a bit silly), leading to DK decks being 1/3 discover cards (vizier, pandaren, school teacher, scorpid, vulpera etc). Also the complete unusability of corpse cards from spell generation marks the first in cards that can never ever be used no matter what else you could possibly steal in the game (army of the dead, corpse explosion will forever do nothing in any other class).
The only deck that runs copious amounts of discover is 3B, which sucks. Hardly a balancing issue atm, and will balance itself out further as the class card pool increases with each expansion.
You dont think unholy and blood having to pay double tax to play cards and frost not needing to pay it is unfair?.. Ok then, lets aggree to disagree.
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“the first ever great dk list found” Do you think someone had an Eureka moment and found something new? Burn decks are just bad when the majority of decks have more health than your reach. Now the majority of decks are back within reach and burn is good. The buffs to DK aren’t responsible for that, the meta changing is.
It’s that simple. DK hasn’t done anything on it’s own.
Frost doesn't use corpses as much by design. It just happens to be the most powerful of the DKs with the existing cards.
Before Renathal's nerf Blood was the only playable DK and some of it's most important cards use corpses. As for Unholy, It's problem isn't the corpse mechanic but rather that it has weak cards altogether. It's just a bad version of token Druid.
The mechanic isn't the problem, it's the cards.
Would you have preferred that this stupid cash-grab of a class to be overpowered, like DH was? I guess people complain no matter what. Boy, i'm glad to not be playing this shit anymore, because of all these entitled pricks.
Good thing you're still here absorbing their opinions.
Yes. That makes sense to me, and I'm 100% fine with it.
There's more pressing matters with DK right now such as its ability to discover rune cards outside of its deckbuilding (triple blood DK getting shit like scourge/frostwyrm fury as a control deck is a bit silly), leading to DK decks being 1/3 discover cards (vizier, pandaren, school teacher, scorpid, vulpera etc). Also the complete unusability of corpse cards from spell generation marks the first in cards that can never ever be used no matter what else you could possibly steal in the game (army of the dead, corpse explosion will forever do nothing in any other class).
Unholy feels weak cuz it requires corpses more than any other dk. Try the deck once and you will understand how bad the mechanic is. There are corpse taxes everywhere, and they give you NOTHING more than other classes get for only paying mana. Frost doesnt need to pay this stupid unnecessary tax to access its best payoffs, so it feels and performs way better.
What raised the red flag for me was Frost dk not using Defrost. Why? What kind of burn deck would refuse to draw 2 cards for 2 mana?
Thats cuz Defrost never draws 2 on turn 2. Hell, it draws 2 on turns 4, maybe 5. The fundamental flaw of corpses is that it is a resource difficult to generate yourself, most of the time you must wait for your opponent to remove your minions first, which always delays your payoff by 1 or 2 turns. Allowing your resources to be easily manipulated by your opponent is just bad no matter how you look at it.
Frost will ALWAYS be the best dk deck if the corpse mechanic keeps working like this. Why pay double taxes in a game that encourages us to evade them as much as possible?
The only deck that runs copious amounts of discover is 3B, which sucks. Hardly a balancing issue atm, and will balance itself out further as the class card pool increases with each expansion.
You dont think unholy and blood having to pay double tax to play cards and frost not needing to pay it is unfair?.. Ok then, lets aggree to disagree.