Kazakusan's effect is based on Duels treasures, right? What if they nerf any treasure that could be discovered by Kazakusan? Will we get the possibility to get full dust refund for him? I mean, if you nerf the treasures, you are actually nerfing the dragon too!
I hope they nerf the treasures....all games now are just a race on who will play Kazakusan first and probably win.
I played some games with control priest and control warrior....you dont care about any of your cards in deck...only thing you focus is to find Kazakusan and play him as early as possible. The 10 Cards left then, get you the win :/
I think, nerfing the cards wont help anything...better to completely remove the duels cards integration and replace it with discover from standard cards (like Elysiana) or ...reduce the amount of cards to 5 instead of 10.
You wont run into fatigue with 10 of those OP Cards...
Kazakusan's effect is based on Duels treasures, right? What if they nerf any treasure that could be discovered by Kazakusan? Will we get the possibility to get full dust refund for him? I mean, if you nerf the treasures, you are actually nerfing the dragon too!
They are based on Duels Treasures, but they are not the same cards. They are completely separate entities. So no, if a nerf happens to the Duels cards, it does not affect the Kazakusan Treasures and would not trigger the full dust refund.
Similarly, Kazakusan's Treasures can be adjusted without affecting Duels. If those are nerfed, I would expect the refund, but they are never going to do that. Kazakusan is supposed to be a powerful, game-ending card. Team 5 does not mind the treasures being a little OP.
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"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
Did you say embers of ragnaros over and over. Haven’t seen a game with that thing played that didn’t end with Embers of Ragnaros. Cause just a cool 24 face dmg. Or when you are a Druid…48 face dmg.
If any nerfs happen, they will happen to Kazakusan. Probably it will cost 9 or 10 if it becomes too much of a problem. The treasures are fine and they are more of a 9 or 10 mana card payoff.
Kazakusan's effect is based on Duels treasures, right? What if they nerf any treasure that could be discovered by Kazakusan? Will we get the possibility to get full dust refund for him? I mean, if you nerf the treasures, you are actually nerfing the dragon too!
They are based on Duels Treasures, but they are not the same cards. They are completely separate entities. So no, if a nerf happens to the Duels cards, it does not affect the Kazakusan Treasures and would not trigger the full dust refund.
This.
There are a few notable differences between the two, but the big one immediately coming to mind is that Pocket Knife gives Charge in Duels but Rush in Constructed.
They are simply different cards, and any theoretical nerfs to one will likely have no impact on the other, unless some underlying mechanic gets changed (like if the RNG mechanism gets changed, or stealth and taunt interaction gets changed)
Did you say embers of ragnaros over and over. Haven’t seen a game with that thing played that didn’t end with Embers of Ragnaros. Cause just a cool 24 face dmg. Or when you are a Druid…48 face dmg.
Oh I havent seen that one.. just the 7 cost 7 dmg to face x4. Seems legit. The card is fine for every other class IMO, but druid regularly going to 16 mana by turn 10 makes it just too strong with the Solar 2x cast spell.
Quest priest with the full deathrattle package has been working well for me in D5 and above as well as quest handlock with the burning altar/Tamsin/curse of agony combo if they drop Kazakusan
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I just wonder...
Kazakusan's effect is based on Duels treasures, right? What if they nerf any treasure that could be discovered by Kazakusan? Will we get the possibility to get full dust refund for him? I mean, if you nerf the treasures, you are actually nerfing the dragon too!
I hope they nerf the treasures....all games now are just a race on who will play Kazakusan first and probably win.
I played some games with control priest and control warrior....you dont care about any of your cards in deck...only thing you focus is to find Kazakusan and play him as early as possible. The 10 Cards left then, get you the win :/
Curious as to which treasure you would nerf.
I think, nerfing the cards wont help anything...better to completely remove the duels cards integration and replace it with discover from standard cards (like Elysiana) or ...reduce the amount of cards to 5 instead of 10.
You wont run into fatigue with 10 of those OP Cards...
They are based on Duels Treasures, but they are not the same cards. They are completely separate entities. So no, if a nerf happens to the Duels cards, it does not affect the Kazakusan Treasures and would not trigger the full dust refund.
Similarly, Kazakusan's Treasures can be adjusted without affecting Duels. If those are nerfed, I would expect the refund, but they are never going to do that. Kazakusan is supposed to be a powerful, game-ending card. Team 5 does not mind the treasures being a little OP.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
Did you say embers of ragnaros over and over. Haven’t seen a game with that thing played that didn’t end with Embers of Ragnaros. Cause just a cool 24 face dmg. Or when you are a Druid…48 face dmg.
Kazakusan will be nerfed and not the treasures.. Is my guess.
A nerf could be that we don't get a new deck, but just add X number of Treasures to the deck.
Treasures should not be nerfed, since they are fine in Duels and is part of what makes that format fun.
Expansion out for less than 24 hours and calls for nerfs? Sounds like a hearthpwn thread to me!
OP was not calling for nerfs. They were asking about the dust consequences IF a nerf were to happen.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
I was replying to the multiple other people that said something should be nerfed.
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Sometimes they are easy to call... Kazakusan is pretty easy to get as a druid and the treasure decks have a pretty high winrate (my experience).
My money is on a nerf and I see no problem in calling it early
If any nerfs happen, they will happen to Kazakusan. Probably it will cost 9 or 10 if it becomes too much of a problem. The treasures are fine and they are more of a 9 or 10 mana card payoff.
I've been playing Dr quest priest and am 100% against Kazakusan over 20ish encounters.
It's not that broken. It is definitely counterable. Even against the new ramp Druid variant.
I don't believe it that's bad. Just a feel bad card. Like losing to deathstalker rexxar back in tft.
I'm curious how you manage that. I've got a 0% WR against Druid with Quest Priest, though the other classes aren't that bad.
This.
There are a few notable differences between the two, but the big one immediately coming to mind is that Pocket Knife gives Charge in Duels but Rush in Constructed.
They are simply different cards, and any theoretical nerfs to one will likely have no impact on the other, unless some underlying mechanic gets changed (like if the RNG mechanism gets changed, or stealth and taunt interaction gets changed)
Oh I havent seen that one.. just the 7 cost 7 dmg to face x4. Seems legit. The card is fine for every other class IMO, but druid regularly going to 16 mana by turn 10 makes it just too strong with the Solar 2x cast spell.
The thing is, Druid will lose Lightning Bloom, Solar Eclipse and Overgrowth at rotation.
Is Kazakusan oppressive because of Druid? or is he oppressive regardless of the deck?
When Solar and Bloom are gone I think it will be a lot better yeah. Just have to hide out, play priest or super aggro till then lol
Quest priest with the full deathrattle package has been working well for me in D5 and above as well as quest handlock with the burning altar/Tamsin/curse of agony combo if they drop Kazakusan