The final boss minion for all the questlines needs to be shuffled into the deck. It needs to be harder -- but not impossible -- for these decks to prevail so early.
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Blablabla, every expansion is the same, ppl saying HS is doomed then guys like you two come up n claim, no no its not that bad, blabla. Still, the new expansion had a huge impact, especially in Wild
>especially in Wild
No one plays Wild. If everyone who played Wild quit the game all at once hearthstone would see like a 2% drop in revenue. People on these forums obsess over Wild like its the biggest game mode in the game when it might barely make it to 4th.
These forums always bring up Wild balance like it matters. It doesnt. Cards are not balanced around Wild and no one cares what the Wild meta is like.
Literally, every Wild game played since the xpac together according to HSReplay does not even come halfway to the number of Standard matches played with Quest Mage alone. Wild makes up maybe 5% of all Constructed games at this point. Stop bringing it up.
I agree with the OP, lets wait a bit. There is a deeper issue though.
The powercreep is going in a direction where the game will be too fast, control decks are not a thing anymore already. They can make the meta slower by nerfing everything. They can also give control more tools to survive against OTK so they are not completely helpless.
I after 6 years in hearthpwn, i am still wondering why these pathetic threads exist. I mean i get the whiny threads. People regardless whether the reasons are justified or not, are not having fun in their game and want to express that in order to vent off or in hope of fixes. But why in the name of Brode, would anyone care enough about random people whining in forums? Why and how does in anyway affect you that rando is whining about the meta or x reason ?
I after 6 years in hearthpwn, i am still wondering why these pathetic threads exist. I mean i get the whiny threads. People regardless whether the reasons are justified or not, are not having fun in their game and want to express that in order to vent off or in hope of fixes. But why in the name of Brode, would anyone care enough about random people whining in forums? Why and how does in anyway affect you that rando is whining about the meta or x reason ?
People feel better when they know theyre not the only one feeling this way. Its our instinct. We want to be a part of a larger group.
No one plays Wild. If everyone who played Wild quit the game all at once hearthstone would see like a 2% drop in revenue. People on these forums obsess over Wild like its the biggest game mode in the game when it might barely make it to 4th.
These forums always bring up Wild balance like it matters. It doesn't. Cards are not balanced around Wild and no one cares what the Wild meta is like.
Literally, every Wild game played since the xpac together according to HSReplay does not even come halfway to the number of Standard matches played with Quest Mage alone. Wild makes up maybe 5% of all Constructed games at this point. Stop bringing it up.
The latest data from Firestone actually has Wild at around 12% of all hours played. Still much, much less than Standard. But here's a stat which blew me away. In the China Region 49% of all hours played are in Wild. And I dare say Blizzard cares a lot about that potential market.
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yeah its true quest mage only need 6 turns to finish the quest and them all cards become a killing machine. ignitions with +8 dmg. 1 mana who can deal +6 dmg to all minions :3 make sense.
warlock quest: dont fking care about board and about you cause he only need 6 turns to complete quest them on nezt turn "the cards you draw cost heal" and he didnt care if you are a warrior with 80 armor he can still otk you :3 ON TURN 7! i cant even use mutatus :3 so fair my friend
mage need big nefs and warlock need some nerfs too. ints not logical that actual meta its HUGE AGGRO WITH WEAPONS (cause mages and warlocks dont care if you have a full board of 10/10 each turn) or 2 decks who can insta kill you on the same turn he complete the quest
No one plays Wild. If everyone who played Wild quit the game all at once hearthstone would see like a 2% drop in revenue. People on these forums obsess over Wild like its the biggest game mode in the game when it might barely make it to 4th.
These forums always bring up Wild balance like it matters. It doesn't. Cards are not balanced around Wild and no one cares what the Wild meta is like.
Literally, every Wild game played since the xpac together according to HSReplay does not even come halfway to the number of Standard matches played with Quest Mage alone. Wild makes up maybe 5% of all Constructed games at this point. Stop bringing it up.
The latest data from Firestone actually has Wild at around 12% of all hours played. Still much, much less than Standard. But here's a stat which blew me away. In the China Region 49% of all hours played are in Wild. And I dare say Blizzard cares a lot about that potential market.
Firestone data means nothing. Firestone tracks people who download the app, meaning it isn't tracking casual players, and has a much smaller userbase.
HSReplay is where I'm pulling numbers, and theirs come from Hearthstone Deck Tracker which is a far more commonly used addon that's more likely to be used by casuals.
The final boss minion for all the questlines needs to be shuffled into the deck. It needs to be harder -- but not impossible -- for these decks to prevail so early.
Except that does make it impossible. Putting the minion in the deck not only would make them all worthless (whats the point of having an aggro or midrange deck centered around getting a specific card if you have to wait to RNG it), it would also ruin spell mage as you'd now have a minion screwing up your Apexis Blasts and Spring Waters, and Priest would now have to draw into the minion AND draw into the spell.
And you're forgetting that non quest decks exist, so your change would just give non quest decks free wins.
In addition, some quests are really not all that strong and NEED to play the quest minion fast to have a chance, like Warrior or Rogue or Druid.
"Once people realize that a lot of old decks are still good"
My old decks lasted past turn 6. This meta is win by turn 6 or you lose.
I have to take out my 7, 8, 9, and 10 mana cards out my decks.
I feel most people that are saying chill or to relax are those enjoying the toxic decks right now. They're afraid of the nerfs coming. "Come on everyone be quiet or they'll nerf and win rate will drop" I agree it's still early and things will settle a bit...but I get a good feeling this meta will be filled with short games I'd changes don't happen.
I feel forced to play these quest decks I don't like to be competitive. I hope they make some changes to the quests so that I can at least play mutanus or another disruption card.
Another solution I can see Is if they add a card to revert quests. To slow them down.
Blablabla, every expansion is the same, ppl saying HS is doomed then guys like you two come up n claim, no no its not that bad, blabla. Still, the new expansion had a huge impact, especially in Wild
>especially in Wild
No one plays Wild. If everyone who played Wild quit the game all at once hearthstone would see like a 2% drop in revenue. People on these forums obsess over Wild like its the biggest game mode in the game when it might barely make it to 4th.
These forums always bring up Wild balance like it matters. It doesnt. Cards are not balanced around Wild and no one cares what the Wild meta is like.
Literally, every Wild game played since the xpac together according to HSReplay does not even come halfway to the number of Standard matches played with Quest Mage alone. Wild makes up maybe 5% of all Constructed games at this point. Stop bringing it up.
I don't think hsreply should be the golden standard in determining hearthstone players. I agree it's a good place to get an idea of current standard games that are popular, but I dont even use hsreply that much. I would make an educated guess most hearthstone players don't either. I bet most don't even know what it is
You don't have to. HSReplay takes its data from Hearthstone Deck Tracker which is almost certainly the most commonly used addon in the game.
The final boss minion for all the questlines needs to be shuffled into the deck. It needs to be harder -- but not impossible -- for these decks to prevail so early.
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Why should there be one? Some games you just lose, you can't have a deck that has an answer for every single matchup and instance
Preach brother. 👏🏻
all class have 1 deck with atlast 60%+ win rate now
No. Priest & Warrior is very bad. Druid struggles too.
this 3 class have 14 deck with 60%+ win rate so stop you self from trolling
Where do you get this stats from? Your head? Have you played standard at all since expansion came? Where have you seen warrior or priest at all?
I agree with the OP, lets wait a bit. There is a deeper issue though.
The powercreep is going in a direction where the game will be too fast, control decks are not a thing anymore already. They can make the meta slower by nerfing everything. They can also give control more tools to survive against OTK so they are not completely helpless.
If meta is so fine, why are nerfs already announced. You are so funny...
I after 6 years in hearthpwn, i am still wondering why these pathetic threads exist. I mean i get the whiny threads. People regardless whether the reasons are justified or not, are not having fun in their game and want to express that in order to vent off or in hope of fixes. But why in the name of Brode, would anyone care enough about random people whining in forums? Why and how does in anyway affect you that rando is whining about the meta or x reason ?
People feel better when they know theyre not the only one feeling this way. Its our instinct. We want to be a part of a larger group.
The latest data from Firestone actually has Wild at around 12% of all hours played. Still much, much less than Standard. But here's a stat which blew me away. In the China Region 49% of all hours played are in Wild. And I dare say Blizzard cares a lot about that potential market.
Dependable loan sharks since 1960. We sink our teeth into every deal we make.
yeah its true quest mage only need 6 turns to finish the quest and them all cards become a killing machine. ignitions with +8 dmg. 1 mana who can deal +6 dmg to all minions :3 make sense.
warlock quest: dont fking care about board and about you cause he only need 6 turns to complete quest them on nezt turn "the cards you draw cost heal" and he didnt care if you are a warrior with 80 armor he can still otk you :3 ON TURN 7! i cant even use mutatus :3 so fair my friend
mage need big nefs and warlock need some nerfs too. ints not logical that actual meta its HUGE AGGRO WITH WEAPONS (cause mages and warlocks dont care if you have a full board of 10/10 each turn) or 2 decks who can insta kill you on the same turn he complete the quest
Firestone data means nothing. Firestone tracks people who download the app, meaning it isn't tracking casual players, and has a much smaller userbase.
HSReplay is where I'm pulling numbers, and theirs come from Hearthstone Deck Tracker which is a far more commonly used addon that's more likely to be used by casuals.
Except that does make it impossible. Putting the minion in the deck not only would make them all worthless (whats the point of having an aggro or midrange deck centered around getting a specific card if you have to wait to RNG it), it would also ruin spell mage as you'd now have a minion screwing up your Apexis Blasts and Spring Waters, and Priest would now have to draw into the minion AND draw into the spell.
And you're forgetting that non quest decks exist, so your change would just give non quest decks free wins.
In addition, some quests are really not all that strong and NEED to play the quest minion fast to have a chance, like Warrior or Rogue or Druid.
I never said anything about whether I play Wild. These are the actual game numbers recorded by HSReplay.
The most played Wild deck has 6000 plays. The most played Standard deck has 78,000 plays. No one plays Wild.
You don't have to. HSReplay takes its data from Hearthstone Deck Tracker which is almost certainly the most commonly used addon in the game.
But there are 100+ decks in wild and maybe 20 in standard....
And almost none of them have over 1k plays.
100x1k =100k. The top two decks in Standard alone have over 110k plays