Curious as to what you all think of Rogue in this expansion so far? Any viable decks/decks you think will turn out good? Or did they get shafted with their quest and odd legendary minion?
Miracle rogue with new coins generators and the new damage spell is the most reliable version of the deck in History, even the classic one with 4 manas Leeroy was not this good, so good I have a feel will be hit by nerfs soon.
Garrote + Shekzara is pretty cool and effective! I don't think it'll get nerfed at all though - I feel like not enough people play it / play it well that it'll be a problem. Like any Tempo Rogue deck, it requires a lot of planning and some luck to execute. That said, though, it's incredibly powerful and efficient. Just has some trouble keeping up with Quest Druid, much like most decks.
Quest Druid looks really solid right now. I don't have the cards to play it myself, but from trying to climb ladder and from what I've been reading, it's really hard to stop it once it gets going. Apparently it's one of the only decks that can withstand the damage output of Quest Mage, so I think that's helping to increase its popularity.
Auctioneer should have been HoF’ed 2 years ago. When there is even a sniff of a reliable source of 0 mana spells you can guarantee an absurd OTK deck will be found. I’ve got no problem with ‘miracle’ to a certain extent but you shouldn’t be able to cycle 10’s of cards a turn in game where you only start with 30.
try Feno's list, I'm currently playing it, opponents get killed around turn 6-8
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You need to learn the deck better. Practice mulligans and discount the right cards with octobot. Use your shadowsteps on augmerchant. The goal is to have at least spell damage +1 if not spell damage +2 with octobot and augmerchants them draw your deck with a 4 cost auctioneer. You want to play garrote and draw all of the bleeds in the same turn, so APM is really important. You can’t properly play this deck on a phone or tablet and you need to play well ahead of the animations. I cut yoink from the deck because the animation was too long. This deck potentially wins turn 5, reliably wins turn 6 and definitely wins turn 7. You can do well over 30 damage from garrote alone, much less using free 4-56 damage draw cantrips. This is going to be the best combo deck in the meta, like you said though, hyper aggro zoolock gives it the fits.
I tried this deck and I don't mind admitting that I don't get how to play it. It can't generate more than 12 damage with the Bleeds, and you can't get those in the deck consistently before you can play auctioneer or your opponent heals, so, how do you win? What is the strategy?
Garotte Rogue doesn't even need to put minions on the board to kill you. It's insane the amount of cast from hand damage rivals Mage. I'm pretty sure the most optimized lists only play 2x Octo-bot, 1-2xAuctioneer, Tenwu, 1-2x Augmerchant and you are good to go, the rest is pretty much pure damage.
Garotte Rogue doesn't even need to put minions on the board to kill you. It's insane the amount of cast from hand damage rivals Mage. I'm pretty sure the most optimized lists only play 2x Octo-bot, 1-2xAuctioneer, Tenwu, 1-2x Augmerchant and you are good to go, the rest is pretty much pure damage.
You need loan shark, but you draw it with sketchy information so it procs as soon as you draw it. Tenwu is unnecessary. If you have two auctioneers, you’re golden. This deck’s weakness is itself. It loses when it draws all the cantrips and no auctioneer. I’m still undecided if yoink or deadly poison is better. Yoink can proc octobot, but it slows down APM when used as a cantrip and I usually equip a dagger turn 2.
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Curious as to what you all think of Rogue in this expansion so far? Any viable decks/decks you think will turn out good? Or did they get shafted with their quest and odd legendary minion?
Garrote OTK
Miracle rogue with new coins generators and the new damage spell is the most reliable version of the deck in History, even the classic one with 4 manas Leeroy was not this good, so good I have a feel will be hit by nerfs soon.
really? What part of the deck do you think will get nerfed? I love me some miracle rogue but won't craft it if its going to get nerfed hard.
Garrote + Shekzara is pretty cool and effective! I don't think it'll get nerfed at all though - I feel like not enough people play it / play it well that it'll be a problem. Like any Tempo Rogue deck, it requires a lot of planning and some luck to execute. That said, though, it's incredibly powerful and efficient. Just has some trouble keeping up with Quest Druid, much like most decks.
Miracle Garrote Rogue, feno made the deck and it's awesome! I can really feel like a Rogue killing opponents from nowhere lol
Hmm... Interesting. Is Druid the deck that might stick? Also do any of you have any deck lists for Miracle Rogue that I should try out?
Quest Druid looks really solid right now. I don't have the cards to play it myself, but from trying to climb ladder and from what I've been reading, it's really hard to stop it once it gets going. Apparently it's one of the only decks that can withstand the damage output of Quest Mage, so I think that's helping to increase its popularity.
Auctioneer should have been HoF’ed 2 years ago. When there is even a sniff of a reliable source of 0 mana spells you can guarantee an absurd OTK deck will be found. I’ve got no problem with ‘miracle’ to a certain extent but you shouldn’t be able to cycle 10’s of cards a turn in game where you only start with 30.
Rogue consistently OTKs you turn 6.
No other deck is even close. Mage and Warlock are good, but they are very bad comparing to Rogue.
Which list do you think is best so far?
try Feno's list, I'm currently playing it, opponents get killed around turn 6-8
[list]
[*] [b]1[/b] x [url=http://www.hearthpwn.com/cards/210840-ethereal-augmerchant]Ethereal Augmerchant[/url]
[*] [b]2[/b] x [url=http://www.hearthpwn.com/cards/329940-brain-freeze]Brain Freeze[/url]
[*] [b]1[/b] x [url=http://www.hearthpwn.com/cards/388984-cloak-of-shadows]Cloak of Shadows[/url]
[*] [b]1[/b] x [url=http://www.hearthpwn.com/cards/388993-swindle]Swindle[/url]
[*] [b]2[/b] x [url=http://www.hearthpwn.com/cards/464125-wicked-stab-rank-1]Wicked Stab (Rank 1)[/url]
[*] [b]2[/b] x [url=http://www.hearthpwn.com/cards/464128-efficient-octo-bot]Efficient Octo-bot[/url]
[*] [b]2[/b] x [url=http://www.hearthpwn.com/cards/475019-gadgetzan-auctioneer]Gadgetzan Auctioneer[/url]
[*] [b]2[/b] x [url=http://www.hearthpwn.com/cards/475111-sinister-strike]Sinister Strike[/url]
[*] [b]2[/b] x [url=http://www.hearthpwn.com/cards/475118-shadowstep]Shadowstep[/url]
[*] [b]2[/b] x [url=http://www.hearthpwn.com/cards/475120-preparation]Preparation[/url]
[*] [b]2[/b] x [url=http://www.hearthpwn.com/cards/475121-backstab]Backstab[/url]
[*] [b]2[/b] x [url=http://www.hearthpwn.com/cards/487650-yoink]Yoink![/url]
[*] [b]2[/b] x [url=http://www.hearthpwn.com/cards/562769-shroud-of-concealment]Shroud of Concealment[/url]
[*] [b]2[/b] x [url=http://www.hearthpwn.com/cards/614810-garrote]Garrote[/url]
[*] [b]2[/b] x [url=http://www.hearthpwn.com/cards/614826-sketchy-information]Sketchy Information[/url]
[*] [b]2[/b] x [url=http://www.hearthpwn.com/cards/615106-si-7-extortion]SI:7 Extortion[/url]
[*] [b]1[/b] x [url=http://www.hearthpwn.com/cards/615120-loan-shark]Loan Shark[/url]
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Thanks! I'll try it. I wonder if it'll stay competitive.
Hmm... I can't seem to win consistently with this deck. Warlock is a mess.
You need to learn the deck better. Practice mulligans and discount the right cards with octobot. Use your shadowsteps on augmerchant. The goal is to have at least spell damage +1 if not spell damage +2 with octobot and augmerchants them draw your deck with a 4 cost auctioneer. You want to play garrote and draw all of the bleeds in the same turn, so APM is really important. You can’t properly play this deck on a phone or tablet and you need to play well ahead of the animations. I cut yoink from the deck because the animation was too long. This deck potentially wins turn 5, reliably wins turn 6 and definitely wins turn 7. You can do well over 30 damage from garrote alone, much less using free 4-56 damage draw cantrips. This is going to be the best combo deck in the meta, like you said though, hyper aggro zoolock gives it the fits.
Yeah this deck is obnoxious. Turn 6 OTK is not OK.
Guess it's time to pick another game to play while I wait two weeks for the nerf.
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I tried this deck and I don't mind admitting that I don't get how to play it. It can't generate more than 12 damage with the Bleeds, and you can't get those in the deck consistently before you can play auctioneer or your opponent heals, so, how do you win? What is the strategy?
This.
Garotte Rogue doesn't even need to put minions on the board to kill you. It's insane the amount of cast from hand damage rivals Mage. I'm pretty sure the most optimized lists only play 2x Octo-bot, 1-2xAuctioneer, Tenwu, 1-2x Augmerchant and you are good to go, the rest is pretty much pure damage.
You need loan shark, but you draw it with sketchy information so it procs as soon as you draw it. Tenwu is unnecessary. If you have two auctioneers, you’re golden. This deck’s weakness is itself. It loses when it draws all the cantrips and no auctioneer. I’m still undecided if yoink or deadly poison is better. Yoink can proc octobot, but it slows down APM when used as a cantrip and I usually equip a dagger turn 2.