Early access. The damn early access to everything.
In WoW, they let people get early access to raids/patch content via the PTR.
In hearthstone, it’s the theoryocrafting streams/play testing.
This rant was sparked by Hearthpwn’s most recent entry of “United in storm wind crazy combos.”
All the YouTube videos already with people playing several decks from the new expansion.
Just let everyone enjoy the free fall together out the gate. Let people all play at the same time and enjoy theoryocrafting decks together.
I have been very vocal about it being 100% acceptable to netdeck the best decks, especially when climbing the rated ladder. But what’s beyond unfun is when people already have deck codes/ideas at the ready the SECOND the expansion drops.
Theoryocrafting based on information (card reveals) is acceptable, as it cannot be directly playtested. But Jesus, stop letting players, generally above average players, get a run at the cards before anyone else can.
Agreed. Fuck streamers. Stupid how they get special perks and rest of us get the dick. They can still stream, why lock us out?
The instant response you’ll find from most is “it’s good publicity for the game.”
It isn’t. People are already hyped from the previews. If anything, I could easily entertain an argument that people would actually be (slightly) less hyped after seeing someone else already play the cards.
A huge part of the hype is playing the new cards, and I feel like watching someone else do it dilutes the hype a bit.
Yeah I don't get this either like if there are updated clients that have access to the new cards why not just release the xpac and let everyone play? It doesn't make sense to me
So for WoW, a Public Test Realm, is bad? So they should just NOT let people bug test stuff and just let the bugs go live and scramble to fix them after. Makes perfect sense.
So for WoW, a Public Test Realm, is bad? So they should just NOT let people bug test stuff and just let the bugs go live and scramble to fix them after. Makes perfect sense.
You haven’t played wow at all if you think they take any feedback to heart anyways. Every single patch is a buggy mess, regardless of feedback.
I guess the only good news is that it's likely that only a small percentage of the player base actually watches the streams. It's just all around lame to work to prevent regular players from being the first to discover a deck.
Creating a unique deck that works on ladder is one of the most fun things to do in the game and I agree that it makes no sense to ruin it for regular players.
I don't really see how this even benefits streamers. They seemed to do just fine when they were playing decks at the same time as everyone else and the good ones could come up with new decks and combos without a head start. If anything, this hides how talented the skilled ones actually are.
Regardless of how you feel about the practice, it's obvious they like the numbers they're seeing, otherwise they wouldn't continue the practice.
Personally, I've never seen the confused prenetdecking period last more than a few hours before most of the upper ranks are settling in. Sometimes, a few versions of a deck persist in an unrefined form for a couple of days, but the genres are generally ironed out very quickly.
I remember the cumbersome and grossly inefficient 1.0 version of the Shudderwock combo was amusing. Also, the Witching Hour / Hadronox deck that for some strange reason included Grizzlies to dilute the beast pool for Witching Hour persisted almost a week. But these are exceptions.
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Take the theory crafting streams with a grain of salt, there was deckbuilding restrictions, but I don’t get why people are butthurt. Early access catches bugs and gives the rest of us a bit of an idea of what we want to focus our time on.
I think people forget that with fireside gatherings, not only can you open preorder packs early, you can actually play against other people with the cards you open. All you need is..
1: A preorder if the expansion.
2: Friends that play hearthstone.
It's still restrictive but literally everyone has had the opportunity to play with the new cards, not just streamers.
I think as well the card restriction of minimum 10 United in Stormwind cards was a great way to prevent optimisation before expansion launch, and I would like to see similar deck restrictions in future expansions.
The game is simply NOT fun at the present moment. They keep printing new and more OP cards in order to boost sales and attract more whales.
Battlegrounds are a breath of fresh air, but it is not competitive and interesting enough to attract viewers - face hunter, miracle aggro druid and no minion mage are the selling sheet - make your opponent rage quit due to RNG, which was a core NO NO before...
Agreed. Fuck streamers. Stupid how they get special perks and rest of us get the dick. They can still stream, why lock us out?
The instant response you’ll find from most is “it’s good publicity for the game.”
It isn’t. People are already hyped from the previews. If anything, I could easily entertain an argument that people would actually be (slightly) less hyped after seeing someone else already play the cards.
A huge part of the hype is playing the new cards, and I feel like watching someone else do it dilutes the hype a bit.
To add to this: From a purely in-game-economics standpoint, it's even negative value for Blizzard because there are fewer impulsive crafts early in the expansion and people mostly craft what they have already seen to work. And unless that fails spectacularly, which doesn't happen too often, this means that people waste fewer dust on bad cards, which reduces Blizzard's value.
However, it seems to create enough revenue for them to continue them doing it. It's also not the worst time for streamers tbh.
As much as I don't like these streams because they destroy the hype to me, I have to say that there wasn't much that surprised me, at least not this time. My hype has gone when I understood the Hunter questline.
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Early access. The damn early access to everything.
In WoW, they let people get early access to raids/patch content via the PTR.
In hearthstone, it’s the theoryocrafting streams/play testing.
This rant was sparked by Hearthpwn’s most recent entry of “United in storm wind crazy combos.”
All the YouTube videos already with people playing several decks from the new expansion.
Just let everyone enjoy the free fall together out the gate. Let people all play at the same time and enjoy theoryocrafting decks together.
I have been very vocal about it being 100% acceptable to netdeck the best decks, especially when climbing the rated ladder. But what’s beyond unfun is when people already have deck codes/ideas at the ready the SECOND the expansion drops.
Theoryocrafting based on information (card reveals) is acceptable, as it cannot be directly playtested. But Jesus, stop letting players, generally above average players, get a run at the cards before anyone else can.
Agreed. Fuck streamers. Stupid how they get special perks and rest of us get the dick. They can still stream, why lock us out?
The instant response you’ll find from most is “it’s good publicity for the game.”
It isn’t. People are already hyped from the previews. If anything, I could easily entertain an argument that people would actually be (slightly) less hyped after seeing someone else already play the cards.
A huge part of the hype is playing the new cards, and I feel like watching someone else do it dilutes the hype a bit.
Yeah I don't get this either like if there are updated clients that have access to the new cards why not just release the xpac and let everyone play? It doesn't make sense to me
It used to be more fun to play on release day and know that everyone was experimenting. To see things for the first time as they were happening.
So for WoW, a Public Test Realm, is bad? So they should just NOT let people bug test stuff and just let the bugs go live and scramble to fix them after. Makes perfect sense.
Don't watch the streams then
Me, a single person, or even just a minority of people, not watching a stream does not remedy the launch day-net deck issue. Read.
You haven’t played wow at all if you think they take any feedback to heart anyways. Every single patch is a buggy mess, regardless of feedback.
I guess the only good news is that it's likely that only a small percentage of the player base actually watches the streams. It's just all around lame to work to prevent regular players from being the first to discover a deck.
Creating a unique deck that works on ladder is one of the most fun things to do in the game and I agree that it makes no sense to ruin it for regular players.
I don't really see how this even benefits streamers. They seemed to do just fine when they were playing decks at the same time as everyone else and the good ones could come up with new decks and combos without a head start. If anything, this hides how talented the skilled ones actually are.
Regardless of how you feel about the practice, it's obvious they like the numbers they're seeing, otherwise they wouldn't continue the practice.
Personally, I've never seen the confused prenetdecking period last more than a few hours before most of the upper ranks are settling in. Sometimes, a few versions of a deck persist in an unrefined form for a couple of days, but the genres are generally ironed out very quickly.
I remember the cumbersome and grossly inefficient 1.0 version of the Shudderwock combo was amusing. Also, the Witching Hour / Hadronox deck that for some strange reason included Grizzlies to dilute the beast pool for Witching Hour persisted almost a week. But these are exceptions.
Helpful Clarification on Forbidden Topics for Hearthstone Forums:
Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
Take the theory crafting streams with a grain of salt, there was deckbuilding restrictions, but I don’t get why people are butthurt. Early access catches bugs and gives the rest of us a bit of an idea of what we want to focus our time on.
I think people forget that with fireside gatherings, not only can you open preorder packs early, you can actually play against other people with the cards you open. All you need is..
1: A preorder if the expansion.
2: Friends that play hearthstone.
It's still restrictive but literally everyone has had the opportunity to play with the new cards, not just streamers.
I think as well the card restriction of minimum 10 United in Stormwind cards was a great way to prevent optimisation before expansion launch, and I would like to see similar deck restrictions in future expansions.
its been a hard week for me
BUT I HAVENT WATCH A SINGLE STREAM, A SINGLE DECK PREVIEW , NOT OPEN ANY HEARTHPWN ARTICLES
and I DONT KNOW ALL THE CARDS
its annoying
Personally I don’t like it ether everyone should have access to the cards at the exact same time
The game is simply NOT fun at the present moment. They keep printing new and more OP cards in order to boost sales and attract more whales.
Battlegrounds are a breath of fresh air, but it is not competitive and interesting enough to attract viewers - face hunter, miracle aggro druid and no minion mage are the selling sheet - make your opponent rage quit due to RNG, which was a core NO NO before...
To add to this: From a purely in-game-economics standpoint, it's even negative value for Blizzard because there are fewer impulsive crafts early in the expansion and people mostly craft what they have already seen to work. And unless that fails spectacularly, which doesn't happen too often, this means that people waste fewer dust on bad cards, which reduces Blizzard's value.
However, it seems to create enough revenue for them to continue them doing it. It's also not the worst time for streamers tbh.
As much as I don't like these streams because they destroy the hype to me, I have to say that there wasn't much that surprised me, at least not this time. My hype has gone when I understood the Hunter questline.