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Quote from Tuhljin >>

Remember, California is the state that MANDATES sex discrimination in corporations -- while also outlawing it (their law is unconstitutional, per their state constitution, and will hopefully be struck down soon). Discriminating in favor of groups you (rightly or wrongly) think were or are still discriminated against is neither moral nor legal and doesn't help those you think it does in the long run. (There are many studies on the failure of college quotas proving that.)

Although it's hard to feel bad for Blizzard. Maybe there's an individual at Blizzard I'd feel bad for but the company as a whole has been asking for a bit of "getting eaten by their own."

 Gimme a break. Somehow the exclusion of women and minorities for centuries is fine, but when the government does something to compensate for it, fragile men cry like babies?

It’s like playing a soccer match… one side gets 11 players, the other gets 5, and the advantaged side is up 20-0 at halftime. Then at halftime you even the sides at 11 and tell the losing side they should be able to catch up on their own!

If this is the attitude of the players, no wonder the chauvinistic attitude extends to the makers of the games.

Real problems are Misery and Hunger along the world, these are just white ppl first world problems. Nobody care, it's a disease spreading in society since the beginning of the fight of classes. Since even before French Revolution, it will be untill the end of humanity, and still, ppl will continue to believe that support gossip and industrial boycot will make this world better, while thousands of childrens are abandoned every day and Countrys keep developing more weapons and diseases to throw on other countrys and Industrial Companies keep producing more pollutants every day and releasing them on water and soil preventing the whole humanity to have a proper future in a few decades, so, yes, this is irrelevant. 
We just want the cards, nothing of this false "support behaviour". Thanks

This has gone too far

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I don't know all the details but seems to me that if you want to make a stand, cut your ties. Don't wait a day to then do your goofy card reveal and continue to benefit from promotion provided by a company that you're making a stand against. 

Doesn't seem like taking a stand to me. Seems like virtue signalling. Release a video explaining that because of these things, you do not wish to be associated with the company anymore, will not be streaming their games until at least some verdict has been reached and will not promote their products. I'd have full respect and support for that.

Putting a reveal off by a day just seems like you want to look to be making a stand but not actually have it get in the way of the privelages that you are receiving as a content creator. The accusations sound pretty bad, not a company I'd like to work with/for. But sure, put it off for a day, get a pat on the back for the great work you're doing to fight for fair treatment and then jump back on, make a goofy video and celebrate the same company a day later. 

Seems to stink of hypocrisy to me..."oh no, no, Blizzard, you misunderstand me, I still want to do my card reveal and get the hits from the views etc, I'm just going to push it back a bit because you're awful, terrible people and I need everyone to know that I don't support all the awful things you do. I do however support your continued support in my channel please thank you very much kindlyyyyy"

 Exactly this...... it's what I've been saying on every HS forum.

WHO CARES LET THE LAW DECIDE NOT THE DAM ONLINE MOB!

SHOW THE GOD DAM CARDS STOP NOT REVEALING CARDS it has NOTHING to do with team 5 FFS 

Quote from Pr1ncipe4i20 >>

Real problems are Misery and Hunger along the world, these are just white ppl first world problems. Nobody care, it's a disease spreading in society since the beginning of the fight of classes. Since even before French Revolution, it will be untill the end of humanity, and still, ppl will continue to believe that support gossip and industrial boycot will make this world better, while thousands of childrens are abandoned every day and Countrys keep developing more weapons and diseases to throw on other countrys and Industrial Companies keep producing more pollutants every day and releasing them on water and soil preventing the whole humanity to have a proper future in a few decades, so, yes, this is irrelevant. 
We just want the cards, nothing of this false "support behaviour". Thanks

 Yeeeeeeeeeeeah.... and a company being hypocritical to it's activism should be completely ignored.

People like me can deal with a fucking delay of a card being revealed - THAT is the real first world problem right there, obsessing the whole day just to see a few new pixels in the game. We're dealing with fucking human decency and respect here, you ignorant ass. That is, without question, infinitely more important than why a goddamn card was not revealed.

Dude we buy clothes made by slave childs, petrol from warzones but we outrage because some girl accused someone to being sexist and not promote her over another dude.

I am a fucking blizzard customer from Japan I dont give a fuck about their internal shit as a company.

I think it would be much more smart if all influencers would just dump there reveal all in one go. Not a video, just like a twitter post with that card and thats it. It would be good for those who want cards and still punish blizzard since all there „hype schedule“ is pretty much done. This way it just sucks for me and punishes blizzard not that much imo.

I actually agree with this...... If every streamer/website with a card would just reveal their cards at the same time, it would not only stick it to Blizzard but also make every player very happy.

Kind of pathetic how people think that people care more about a few pixels not being on time versus common human decency.

Quote from Machariush >>

Dude we buy clothes made by slave childs, petrol from warzones but we outrage because some girl accused someone to being sexist and not promote her over another dude.

I am a fucking blizzard customer from Japan I dont give a fuck about their internal shit as a company.

So your justification is that if there is some way to actually fucking make companies accountable for the actions, we ignore it. You are a wonderful representation of the human race.

Quote from TuesdayTaco >>

Quote from Machariush >>

Dude we buy clothes made by slave childs, petrol from warzones but we outrage because some girl accused someone to being sexist and not promote her over another dude.

I am a fucking blizzard customer from Japan I dont give a fuck about their internal shit as a company.

So your justification is that if there is some way to actually fucking make companies accountable for the actions, we ignore it. You are a wonderful representation of the human race.

No, my point is that we dont a give a shit if the petrol cames from a warzones and people dies for petrol, but we should give a fuck for a girl who said she was harrassed, come on. In any case I dont care, in Japan women at companies are treated worse and no one gives a fuck, look how many PS5 are selling in US and there is no drama about women harrassment in Japan.

Quote from Pr1ncipe4i20 >>

Real problems are Misery and Hunger along the world, these are just white ppl first world problems. Nobody care, it's a disease spreading in society since the beginning of the fight of classes. Since even before French Revolution, it will be untill the end of humanity, and still, ppl will continue to believe that support gossip and industrial boycot will make this world better, while thousands of childrens are abandoned every day and Countrys keep developing more weapons and diseases to throw on other countrys and Industrial Companies keep producing more pollutants every day and releasing them on water and soil preventing the whole humanity to have a proper future in a few decades, so, yes, this is irrelevant. 
We just want the cards, nothing of this false "support behaviour". Thanks

 Would you also say that this is not a real problem if it happened to you? Is committing suicide because of these behaviours not a real problem that costs a life? And who are you anyway to set the standard for what a real problem is?

To those claiming the "innocent until proven guilty" stuff or calling out California: I don't know what your problem with California is (and I honestly don't care), but "innocent until proven guilty" counts for both sides of the story. You can't say that for Blizzard and then go ahead and claim that these women are probably just after Blizzard's sweet money. That is, in fact, calling them guilty of such behaviour with no proof.

I agree that the streamers could have done more, but a question for you guys: If you are self-employed and this happens to your major client/source of income, would you just go ahead within one day and cut this income stream? You should be a little more realistic in that most people wouldn't because they need the money (btw this is not greed, it's normal for people to care for their financial situation, though it's not a great thing from a purely moral standpoint). At least they tried to raise awareness of the topic, but what do you expect them to do if they already get "reveal the card" and "virtual signalling" allegations for what they have done yesterday? People here say it themselves, they don't want to hear about it. So do you expect Allie to completely abandon her career and only discuss this topic that some, if not most, of her community doesn't care much about (which btw is really sad). You also have to start somewhere. Saying that Allie trying to raise awareness is virtue signalling and not needed or not enough of an effort is like saying that we shouldn't do anything against climate change because others don't do anything anyway and we alone can't change anything. If everyone thinks that way, then why do we even continue to exist? Nothing will change ever and we are all dead within the next 80 years due to either catastrophe. There is nothing substantial that changes within 1 day, but you need to start somewhere.

It's pathetic to believe that a woman killed herself to help others win a lawsuit. I really don't want to know what some men in the gaming community think about women these days. It's ridiculous what kind of crap some men in the gaming industry and community believe and post publicly.

My main question is: was anyone of Team 5 part of that macho shit? I do not care about other Blizzard games and I really do not give a shit about Activision.

IMO we need the list of dickheads who was part of that disgusting behaviour, I mean list of initials and games they belonging to.

Then we will know more and can do some decisions.

"....well it wasn't me 🙄" 

Do you guys care about the people producing your clothes in Bangladesh, or the people producing the lithium for your batteries and the other raw materials for your devices? Or do you only care about the producers of your video games? Yeah there might be horrible discrimination in the whole video game industry. And it’s great that the state acts against it (spoiler: he doesn’t against the child labourers producing your clothes). Still I want to see the cards. And I still like to play the game. If blizzard is full of stupid ugly guys but their games are great I will continue playing them. I play games for fun not for politics. For those, I vote and protest.

Quote from Palathropus >>

I think any sensible person would agree. This year we already had the Zalae affair, and now this. Even so, I think it is clear that this is a problem that goes beyond Blizzard Activision, it is about us as a society and how we can establish guidelines so that in our small communities these things are not repeated.

 It is clear this problem is beyond blizz? I want your drugs 2.

Quote from Anarchy1 >>

Do you guys care about the people producing your clothes in Bangladesh, or the people producing the lithium for your batteries and the other raw materials for your devices? Or do you only care about the producers of your video games? Yeah there might be horrible discrimination in the whole video game industry. And it’s great that the state acts against it (spoiler: he doesn’t against the child labourers producing your clothes). Still I want to see the cards. And I still like to play the game. If blizzard is full of stupid ugly guys but their games are great I will continue playing them. I play games for fun not for politics. For those, I vote and protest.

 Yes. Due to the origins of Covid I try to not buy stuff "Made in China/ P.R.C.".

And lithium? All fully electric cars are crap, so I do not care 

You have a mobile phone and a oc? You buy cheap clothes ? Or you just live in a Western Country and Profit from global inequality?

on a side Note: I am fine with them not revealing their cards if they feel it’s the Right thing to do. I am still not that interested in the whole thing, I would like to see the cards on another source.

If you care more about hearthstone than this lawsuit, you are part of the problem.