I don't care about any of those i just want cards man
I can say with 100% certainty that anyone up voting this comment is a white male, like me.
It's very hard to do, but I encourage anyone reading this to really imagine experiencing something like harassment or racism, and then you can be just a little bit less selfish, for the betterment of all.
"very hard to do"
Oh wow, how patronising and ignorant. I lived in an Arab country for a good part of my life, a country that legit has zero regard for rights like this. No HR. Nobody gives a shit if you're treated badly and I've had everything from not being able to shop in places because I'm white, being refused entry at 'normal' price, being removed from buses for insisting on paying the local price and not the white price, being openly talked about and laughed at on a personal and cultural level because they assume you don't understand the Arabic. Literally every day I'd have to give up in a shop, spend ages arguing about transport, ignoring the cat calls, weird noises and hisses made my way when I walked down the main street, having to take an escort with me to do X, Y or Z. When political riots kicked off, my uncle was targeted for being white and beaten to the point he later died. Yes, I know how it feels and no, Allie is doing fuck all to help anybody in that position.
People like you love to pay yourself on the back at your computer screen. Get up and do something useful instead of preaching for Internet brownie points.
It sounds like your experience in the Middle East was terrible and I'm sorry to hear about what happened to your uncle. But, with respect, none of that means that Allie is in the wrong bc she is making a gesture to condemn gender discrimination in the work place. Regardless of whether you feel that said gesture is meaningless and that it does nothing to help people in positions like yours was in the ME, it is nonetheless an act that draws attention to this lawsuit and, consequently, gender discrimination in the work place. If nothing else is taken away from this other than increased awareness, that in and of itself justifies what she is doing for me. You may disagree, but I'm sure we can at least agree that increased awareness regarding a pertinent and pervasive social issue is something we should strive for. Awareness may incentivize people that were previously unaware or unconcerned to act, and if more people stand up against discrimination, there is a greater chance that it may be diminished or even reduced to the point of irrelevancy.
I don't care about any of those i just want cards man
I can say with 100% certainty that anyone up voting this comment is a white male, like me.
It's very hard to do, but I encourage anyone reading this to really imagine experiencing something like harassment or racism, and then you can be just a little bit less selfish, for the betterment of all.
Wow... I'm grateful there are people like you. Just came here to see the comments and all of them were like: "We don't care about women experiencing harassment in their work place, we want cards :P". And also making fun of the decision Alliestrasza made: "Guess who's not getting a card reveal the next expasion hehehehehe".
It's upsetting. A girl related to blizzard just killed herself because of this (and many of them have been harassed) and people just care about a f****** card being delayed for 1 day, JESUS.
Of course the trial has yet to take place, but many of you are being so selfish.
I respect your viewpoint, but if it was going on for two years, this group couldn't a single reputable class action lawyer to litigate on their behalf? There are a bunch of successful ones out there that have gotten money from Google, etc. so it's a bit odd to me that this governmental department which no doubt will take the lion share of gains for itself via a fine is the only one to take it. Unless you were in the room, you know nothing more about this than me or anyone else.
I don't care about any of those i just want cards man
I can say with 100% certainty that anyone up voting this comment is a white male, like me.
It's very hard to do, but I encourage anyone reading this to really imagine experiencing something like harassment or racism, and then you can be just a little bit less selfish, for the betterment of all.
Wow... I'm grateful there are people like you. Just came here to see the comments and all of them were like: "We don't care about women experiencing harassment in their work place, we want cards :P". And also making fun of the decision Alliestrasza made: "Guess who's not getting a card reveal the next expasion hehehehehe".
It's upsetting. A girl related to blizzard just killed herself because of this (and many of them have been harassed) and people just care about a f****** card being delayed for 1 day, JESUS.
Of course the trial has yet to take place, but many of you are being so selfish.
Anyone wanna guess how many X chromosomes are on board here?
I don't see how holding cards changes anything other than useless virtue signalling.
Linguist David Shariatmadari argues in The Guardian that the very act of accusing someone of virtue signalling is an act of virtue signalling in itself and that its overuse as an ad hominem attack during political debate has rendered it a meaningless political buzzword. (Thanks, Wikpedia!)
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"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
Video game giant Activision Blizzard Inc., maker of games including World of Warcraft and Diablo, fosters a “frat boy” culture in which female employees are subjected to constant sexual harassment, unequal pay, and retaliation, according to a lawsuit filed by the California Department of Fair Employment and Housing.
A two-year investigation by the state agency found that the company discriminated against female employees in terms and conditions of employment, including compensation, assignment, promotion, and termination. Company leadership consistently failed to take steps to prevent discrimination, harassment, and retaliation, the agency said.
I agree and support Alliestrasza and Lt. Eddy. Your comments?
I'm with you. Their place in the streaming community gives them a platform. Sometimes we each need to use our platforms to stand for what is right.
Allie's video message was very well-stated. I'm sure that as a woman in the pro-gaming space this hits her hard. I'm glad she said what she did, and I agree: today is not the day for celebration, for whimsy, or to pretend that evertything is "normal".
Video game giant Activision Blizzard Inc., maker of games including World of Warcraft and Diablo, fosters a “frat boy” culture in which female employees are subjected to constant sexual harassment, unequal pay, and retaliation, according to a lawsuit filed by the California Department of Fair Employment and Housing.
A two-year investigation by the state agency found that the company discriminated against female employees in terms and conditions of employment, including compensation, assignment, promotion, and termination. Company leadership consistently failed to take steps to prevent discrimination, harassment, and retaliation, the agency said.
I agree and support Alliestrasza and Lt. Eddy. Your comments?
You have to also understand this is coming from California which as I recall has required all companies to have a woman on their board, regardless of qualifications. Which is outright stupid.
Now if this is all actually happening, yeah I hope they lose the lawsuit. But without seeing evidence I can't take a side, especially not these days where people REEEEEE about "man spreading" and call it rape.
Personally I think it was dumb to cancel the card reveal if their objective was to actually use their platform. They could have used the reveal to highlight the alleged issue. To me this just seems kinda half-assed. Like they kinda want to say something but also not burn that blizzard bridge.
This community is an embarrassment. I've read some of the most ignorant comments on this subject imaginable, it's what I've come to expect from y'all but this took it to another level. Card reveals > people's lives -Hearthpwn community.
You have to also understand this is coming from California which as I recall has required all companies to have a woman on their board, regardless of qualifications. Which is outright stupid.
This is a lie, qualifications are required to be employed in a board of publicly traded companies this is not aimed at middle class business that have under 50 employees.
Now regarding the card reveal stuff here is what I think: Canceling the card reveal is the bare minimum of action that can be taken, as influencers they aren't compelled to do more, but I think that if they wanted to send a message it would reach more people to do any of the either:
1) Do a video explaining why they aren't revealing a card
2) Do a podcast between several content creators that play blizzard games to discuss this along many issues in the company
3) Do a 1) but focus more on NGO that support women and how people can donate to those organizations
Finally I want to say to all of you, that we will get the cards revealed anyway at the end of the month, you guys can wait a couple of weeks for the reveal of a probably underwhelming neutral common
You have to also understand this is coming from California which as I recall has required all companies to have a woman on their board, regardless of qualifications. Which is outright stupid.
This is a lie, qualifications are required to be employed in a board of publicly traded companies this is not aimed at middle class business that have under 50 employees.
Uhhhh that's not what I said. The law states they must have a woman on the board. It assumes that if they didn't have one already it's because they're filthy sexists, not that there wasn't a woman qualified for the job, ergo it's potentially forcing companies to put a woman on the board, even if she's not qualified. It's not complicated. The law is downright stupid and does nothing to actually help woman. It's just more stupid "feel good woke virtue signaling legislation."
This community is an embarrassment. I've read some of the most ignorant comments on this subject imaginable, it's what I've come to expect from y'all but this took it to another level. Card reveals > people's lives -Hearthpwn community.
Accusations are not proof, just because things are alleged to have happened does not mean they did. The fact that the state is taking the case and not some lawyer looking for a fat payout is weird, could very well mean the case is weak. But until the court has ruled on the matter, these actions are nonsensical. Not to mention they don't even accomplish their apparent goal.
This community is an embarrassment. I've read some of the most ignorant comments on this subject imaginable, it's what I've come to expect from y'all but this took it to another level. Card reveals > people's lives -Hearthpwn community.
Accusations are not proof, just because things are alleged to have happened does not mean they did. The fact that the state is taking the case and not some lawyer looking for a fat payout is weird, could very well mean the case is weak. But until the court has ruled on the matter, these actions are nonsensical. Not to mention they don't even accomplish their apparent goal.
If you want to deny the accusations in their totality, go for it. That's the kind of "logic" I expect from this morally bankrupt community. You're not paying attention to reality buds, just your own biases.
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If you thought you knew what you think I know, then you'd know I knew you knew I know.
You have to also understand this is coming from California which as I recall has required all companies to have a woman on their board, regardless of qualifications. Which is outright stupid.
This is a lie, qualifications are required to be employed in a board of publicly traded companies this is not aimed at middle class business that have under 50 employees.
Uhhhh that's not what I said. The law states they must have a woman on the board. It assumes that if they didn't have one already it's because they're filthy sexists, not that there wasn't a woman qualified for the job, ergo it's potentially forcing companies to put a woman on the board, even if she's not qualified. It's not complicated. The law is downright stupid and does nothing to actually help woman. It's just more stupid "feel good woke virtue signaling legislation."
Well I agree that in the long run assuming that we eventually achieve an egalitarian society we would need to get rid of those laws as they would be detrimental. However given our current situation most large companies have board composed of mostly older men, this Senate Bill 826 only contributes in a small portion to helping workplace discrimination. But that's besides the point. The best way to reach a better egalitarian society is with better education and making people aware these situations happen.
My issue is that you bring up claims like these and then follow with and I quote "I hope they lose the lawsuit. But without seeing evidence I can't take a side," why do you claim? this, you say that you won't take sides but you already did by claiming you want the lawsuit to fail.
This community is an embarrassment. I've read some of the most ignorant comments on this subject imaginable, it's what I've come to expect from y'all but this took it to another level. Card reveals > people's lives -Hearthpwn community.
Accusations are not proof, just because things are alleged to have happened does not mean they did. The fact that the state is taking the case and not some lawyer looking for a fat payout is weird, could very well mean the case is weak. But until the court has ruled on the matter, these actions are nonsensical. Not to mention they don't even accomplish their apparent goal.
Is probably because is a demand based ona violation of California Code of Regulations regarding labor. An investigation must have been or is being conducted by the California Labor Commissioner's Office, is not "weird" at all
I don't care about any of those i just want cards man
I can say with 100% certainty that anyone up voting this comment is a white male, like me.
It's very hard to do, but I encourage anyone reading this to really imagine experiencing something like harassment or racism, and then you can be just a little bit less selfish, for the betterment of all.
That's pretty fucking racist of you.
People come to games to escape from the real world and we get politics, drama and virtue signalling cramped down our throats regardless. The reality is, the average person here isn't shitting on this drama because they're evil "huwyte mails", they dont care because they're here for the game after a long day of work. And before you start, no I'm not white, so safe your racist tendencies.
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Why u hav to be mad? is only card gaem.
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TLDR: Blizzard spend most of their time making female coworkers recreate The Human Centipede in their offices.
It sounds like your experience in the Middle East was terrible and I'm sorry to hear about what happened to your uncle. But, with respect, none of that means that Allie is in the wrong bc she is making a gesture to condemn gender discrimination in the work place. Regardless of whether you feel that said gesture is meaningless and that it does nothing to help people in positions like yours was in the ME, it is nonetheless an act that draws attention to this lawsuit and, consequently, gender discrimination in the work place. If nothing else is taken away from this other than increased awareness, that in and of itself justifies what she is doing for me. You may disagree, but I'm sure we can at least agree that increased awareness regarding a pertinent and pervasive social issue is something we should strive for. Awareness may incentivize people that were previously unaware or unconcerned to act, and if more people stand up against discrimination, there is a greater chance that it may be diminished or even reduced to the point of irrelevancy.
Wow... I'm grateful there are people like you. Just came here to see the comments and all of them were like: "We don't care about women experiencing harassment in their work place, we want cards :P". And also making fun of the decision Alliestrasza made: "Guess who's not getting a card reveal the next expasion hehehehehe".
It's upsetting. A girl related to blizzard just killed herself because of this (and many of them have been harassed) and people just care about a f****** card being delayed for 1 day, JESUS.
Of course the trial has yet to take place, but many of you are being so selfish.
I respect your viewpoint, but if it was going on for two years, this group couldn't a single reputable class action lawyer to litigate on their behalf? There are a bunch of successful ones out there that have gotten money from Google, etc. so it's a bit odd to me that this governmental department which no doubt will take the lion share of gains for itself via a fine is the only one to take it. Unless you were in the room, you know nothing more about this than me or anyone else.
And deservedly so 🙄
As they say on wikipedia, [citation needed]
Anyone wanna guess how many X chromosomes are on board here?
Linguist David Shariatmadari argues in The Guardian that the very act of accusing someone of virtue signalling is an act of virtue signalling in itself and that its overuse as an ad hominem attack during political debate has rendered it a meaningless political buzzword. (Thanks, Wikpedia!)
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
I'm with you. Their place in the streaming community gives them a platform. Sometimes we each need to use our platforms to stand for what is right.
Allie's video message was very well-stated. I'm sure that as a woman in the pro-gaming space this hits her hard. I'm glad she said what she did, and I agree: today is not the day for celebration, for whimsy, or to pretend that evertything is "normal".
I care about his same way they care about me when I don't have money, when I have problems etc..
You have to also understand this is coming from California which as I recall has required all companies to have a woman on their board, regardless of qualifications. Which is outright stupid.
Now if this is all actually happening, yeah I hope they lose the lawsuit. But without seeing evidence I can't take a side, especially not these days where people REEEEEE about "man spreading" and call it rape.
Personally I think it was dumb to cancel the card reveal if their objective was to actually use their platform. They could have used the reveal to highlight the alleged issue. To me this just seems kinda half-assed. Like they kinda want to say something but also not burn that blizzard bridge.
This community is an embarrassment. I've read some of the most ignorant comments on this subject imaginable, it's what I've come to expect from y'all but this took it to another level. Card reveals > people's lives -Hearthpwn community.
If you thought you knew what you think I know, then you'd know I knew you knew I know.
This is a lie, qualifications are required to be employed in a board of publicly traded companies this is not aimed at middle class business that have under 50 employees.
Now regarding the card reveal stuff here is what I think: Canceling the card reveal is the bare minimum of action that can be taken, as influencers they aren't compelled to do more, but I think that if they wanted to send a message it would reach more people to do any of the either:
1) Do a video explaining why they aren't revealing a card
2) Do a podcast between several content creators that play blizzard games to discuss this along many issues in the company
3) Do a 1) but focus more on NGO that support women and how people can donate to those organizations
Finally I want to say to all of you, that we will get the cards revealed anyway at the end of the month, you guys can wait a couple of weeks for the reveal of a probably underwhelming neutral common
Uhhhh that's not what I said. The law states they must have a woman on the board. It assumes that if they didn't have one already it's because they're filthy sexists, not that there wasn't a woman qualified for the job, ergo it's potentially forcing companies to put a woman on the board, even if she's not qualified. It's not complicated. The law is downright stupid and does nothing to actually help woman. It's just more stupid "feel good woke virtue signaling legislation."
Blizzard's evilness is only matched by its stupidity.
Accusations are not proof, just because things are alleged to have happened does not mean they did. The fact that the state is taking the case and not some lawyer looking for a fat payout is weird, could very well mean the case is weak. But until the court has ruled on the matter, these actions are nonsensical. Not to mention they don't even accomplish their apparent goal.
If you want to deny the accusations in their totality, go for it. That's the kind of "logic" I expect from this morally bankrupt community. You're not paying attention to reality buds, just your own biases.
If you thought you knew what you think I know, then you'd know I knew you knew I know.
Well I agree that in the long run assuming that we eventually achieve an egalitarian society we would need to get rid of those laws as they would be detrimental. However given our current situation most large companies have board composed of mostly older men, this Senate Bill 826 only contributes in a small portion to helping workplace discrimination. But that's besides the point. The best way to reach a better egalitarian society is with better education and making people aware these situations happen.
My issue is that you bring up claims like these and then follow with and I quote "I hope they lose the lawsuit. But without seeing evidence I can't take a side," why do you claim? this, you say that you won't take sides but you already did by claiming you want the lawsuit to fail.
Is probably because is a demand based ona violation of California Code of Regulations regarding labor. An investigation must have been or is being conducted by the California Labor Commissioner's Office, is not "weird" at all
That's pretty fucking racist of you.
People come to games to escape from the real world and we get politics, drama and virtue signalling cramped down our throats regardless. The reality is, the average person here isn't shitting on this drama because they're evil "huwyte mails", they dont care because they're here for the game after a long day of work. And before you start, no I'm not white, so safe your racist tendencies.
Why u hav to be mad? is only card gaem.