Here is the information released as part of the investigation into Activision Blizzard by the California Department of Fair Employment and Housing (DFEH) so far: https://aboutblaw.com/YJw
Here we see the pussylanius maximus, believing that typing in a forum will change anything while the real work is done in the courts...and now that I typed this BOTH of us have typed something. So insightful.
When did i claim that posting something in this forum will change anything other than pissing fanboys and bootlickers off? You made a nice strawman there mate!
Anyway, after seeing the replies, my goal was obviously achieved :P
Not really I have no stake in this just when you blanket statement everyone with the title of bootlicker you come off as self righteous as the you tubers pretending to care.
"BOTH sides will do their best to prove their point and so the chances to get to the truth are much much higher."
You're an intelligent one. I never knew that using the court of public opinion in an uneducated assault without facts had this effect.
Because of dopes like you a lot of us lost a lot of needed escape in getting excited for new cards. But of course I'm "Bootlickus Bootlickus" as you like to call me and the others who view Hearthstone as an escape from social justice crap.
Oh sorry my deal incel, i am sure you need an escape from your otherwise wonderful life because of those pesky pesky sjws. Oh poor thing my heart goes to you.
Both sides will do that . . . unless either side has a lawyer with a brain in his head, at which point all public discussion of what actually happened will immediately cease because that's how you best help your case in court.
What follows is a pure void of speculation where a lot of folks with no clue as to the truth value of any of the accusations try to use skepticism as a cudgel against those who don't immediately believe the "victims" (quotes to draw attention to the fact that we have no clue which side is being victimized at this point).
In any case, I have no problem with the "don't shit where you eat" mentality of streamers. I just want them to be consistent about it. If you didn't "shit" as a result of Hong Kong, the layoffs, the myriad of previous sexual discrimination claims, etc., then why are you "shitting" now? Strained metaphor, I know.
Yeah, it seems like you are the ones that to have made your minds that the victims are lying before even the trial starts. I am sure California sued an Multi Billion company for shit and shits and giggles ... Come on guys...There is something going on for sure, what it is, and how bad it is, remains to be determined.
Morerover, publicity gives courage to more victims/witnesses to come forth and prevents blizzard from simply buying the silence of the victims.If there is nothing there, the accusers will make fool of themselves. I know that blizz's boots are tasty but don't worry. They have billions, they will be ok.
If you want to help the world, you should use your efforts to fight against genocide currently ongoing in many countries. Hunger, rampant disease, early deaths, etc. none of which Blizzard or its "Bootlickus Bootlickus" players who were excited to see new cards but deprived of that by our moral superiors who run youtube channels.
A alleged civil dispute for work place harassment, I'm sorry, doesn't constitute an existential crisis worthy of insulting people like me and shutting down the world so the alleged "victims" can be emboldened for more lawsuits.
There's bad shit going on in the world, but on the scale of genocide, disease, famines, real oppression, this is about a 1 out of 10 even if true.
Grow up.
I wonder what you ever did for the world to judge other people's actions.
That's weird, I can't see the grizzlybear6 post, but I can see it quoted in Mania's reply.
I don't have any ignored users, so it isn't that.
Oh well. As I said in my first post, the one good thing I can see about this mess is that a few of the allegations are black and white provable without asking a judge or jury to empathize or understand another person's feelings. That is the pitfall for a lot of sex discrim cases . . . some folks have a deeply ingrained "boys will be boys" mentality that results in excusing a lot of different behaviors.
I hope that, assuming the accusations are true, the victims kept the documentation they need to prove the pay scale discrimination and such. I realize that's not the most serious issue here as far as most observers will be concerned, but as always, it's not what you know, it's what you can prove. And that particular accusation is fairly easy to prove.
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Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
That's vague enough to apply to both sides, but obvious enough to apply to a particular side.
"Oh no, not me though! I had nothing to do with it! I never reported anything, but I had nothing to do with it! I worked there for 15 years but I had nothing to do with it!"
People stop shoving this topic down my throat, I don't care about that girl i don't care about blizzard im here to get my goddamn dopamine from card reveals. i don't even play HS that much but i can't watch a stupid HS video witout getting OOOH MAN IT'S SO HARD FOR ME TO DO THIS STUFF WITH HS NOW SINCE THAT HAPPEND... I mean quit if you don't like it man, Toast at last had the balls to do it and stay true to his words
That's vague enough to apply to both sides, but obvious enough to apply to a particular side.
"Oh no, not me though! I had nothing to do with it! I never reported anything, but I had nothing to do with it! I worked there for 15 years but I had nothing to do with it!"
Yeah, that was a very weird response. I'm starting to feel nauseos to be honest. Ben has always been an inspiration to me as a game developer, I hope he has nothing to do with it. :(
People stop shoving this topic down my throat, I don't care about that girl i don't care about blizzard im here to get my goddamn dopamine from card reveals. i don't even play HS that much but i can't watch a stupid HS video witout getting OOOH MAN IT'S SO HARD FOR ME TO DO THIS STUFF WITH HS NOW SINCE THAT HAPPEND... I mean quit if you don't like it man, Toast at last had the balls to do it and stay true to his words
If all this shit turns out to be true, chances you won't get your "goddamn dopamine from card reveals" anymore are pretty high. Don't be silly, please, this affects everyone here. -.-
For all the lawsuits Activision/Blizzard could face, sexual harassment charges is the lowest denominator for a masculine money driven company. Looking forward to the next one concerning MMR/RNG manipulation. It's all in the cards.
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People stop shoving this topic down my throat, I don't care about that girl i don't care about blizzard im here to get my goddamn dopamine from card reveals. i don't even play HS that much but i can't watch a stupid HS video witout getting OOOH MAN IT'S SO HARD FOR ME TO DO THIS STUFF WITH HS NOW SINCE THAT HAPPEND... I mean quit if you don't like it man, Toast at last had the balls to do it and stay true to his words
If all this shit turns out to be true, chances you won't get your "goddamn dopamine from card reveals" anymore are pretty high. Don't be silly, please, this affects everyone here. -.-
What could you possibly mean by "chances you won't get your [dopamine] anymore are pretty high"?
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Helpful Clarification on Forbidden Topics for Hearthstone Forums:
Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
People stop shoving this topic down my throat, I don't care about that girl i don't care about blizzard im here to get my goddamn dopamine from card reveals. i don't even play HS that much but i can't watch a stupid HS video witout getting OOOH MAN IT'S SO HARD FOR ME TO DO THIS STUFF WITH HS NOW SINCE THAT HAPPEND... I mean quit if you don't like it man, Toast at last had the balls to do it and stay true to his words
If all this shit turns out to be true, chances you won't get your "goddamn dopamine from card reveals" anymore are pretty high. Don't be silly, please, this affects everyone here. -.-
What could you possibly mean by "chances you won't get your [dopamine] anymore are pretty high"?
Well, at this point, the fate of this game is more uncertain than ever. We don't know how exactly all this will affect Hearthstone, so I'm really worried about it too. Things can get very ugly for Blizzard and would likely have a huge impact in our beloved game. No more card reveals as we are used to? I don't know, call me extremist, but the possiblities are there.
I suppose the card reveal thing could go away if content creators continue to use them as ammo for statements against the company (and I don't mean that as a judgment, just that that's how Blizzard will see it).
I can't really see it going much further than that in terms of changing things. I'm sure Activision will hire some new "sensitivity coordinator" or some other good-sounding position in the hopes that they get some positive spin over it. There might even be a firing or too, though more often than not, even that small a result is hard to come by.
Regardless, the show will go on. It's embarrassingly difficult to mobilize groups of people in the name of any moral cause unless it demonstrably effects the group directly, seriously, and frequently.
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Helpful Clarification on Forbidden Topics for Hearthstone Forums:
Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
Here my friends, we see the Bootlickus Bootlickus in their natural habitat. What people with this mentality fail to realise, is that if everybody was like them, we would still be working serfs on some feudal lords farm with 0 scientific progress (" I just want to work the farm man", "I just want to eat bread man", "i just want to see the lord's festivities man" etc). Thank god among sheeps in human clothing, there are true men and women who have to balls to fight for what they believe to be right.
Whether the accusations are true, is to be determined. But due to the publicity the issue has gotten, BOTH sides will do their best to prove their point and so the chances to get to the truth are much much higher.
Indeed a brutal fight. Alex really kicked the shit out of "I just want to eat bread man-man's" you go girl!
I'm sure Activision will hire some new "sensitivity coordinator" or some other good-sounding position in the hopes that they get some positive spin over it.
I'm really shocked by the comments in this thread. Like, really people? You can't just put the card reveals aside for a moment to care about a problem that is causing deep suffering to people all over the world? Because this isn't some isolated problem or small incident. It happens everywhere on a daily basis. It's a problem in modern society. Yet, lots of people here seem to not just desire to disregard this in its entirety but they have to come here and post about it. They have to post how they don't care, how it doesn't affect them, how it is stealing their "dopamine dose" or some nonsense like that. Is this really the only dopamine source you have access to right now? You have nothing else to make you feel good in your free time? You really can't wait just a few days to see the cards? You really have to come here and act like a petty child who just had their favorite toy taken away for a few brief moments? If you don't care about what is happening then, at the very least, don't come online to post terrible messages because it's truly disgraceful to expose your own lack of empathy for other human beings.
People stop shoving this topic down my throat, I don't care about that girl i don't care about blizzard im here to get my goddamn dopamine from card reveals. i don't even play HS that much but i can't watch a stupid HS video witout getting OOOH MAN IT'S SO HARD FOR ME TO DO THIS STUFF WITH HS NOW SINCE THAT HAPPEND... I mean quit if you don't like it man, Toast at last had the balls to do it and stay true to his words
If all this shit turns out to be true, chances you won't get your "goddamn dopamine from card reveals" anymore are pretty high. Don't be silly, please, this affects everyone here. -.-
What could you possibly mean by "chances you won't get your [dopamine] anymore are pretty high"?
Well, at this point, the fate of this game is more uncertain than ever. We don't know how exactly all this will affect Hearthstone, so I'm really worried about it too. Things can get very ugly for Blizzard and would likely have a huge impact in our beloved game. No more card reveals as we are used to? I don't know, call me extremist, but the possiblities are there.
Well, none of the complaints point to wrongdoing on the HS or OW teams, at least. It mainly focuses on the WoW and Battle.net teams, and issues with senior leadership on those teams, with incidents that date back as far as a decade or more.
The HS and OW teams, more now than ever, are comprised of a lot of new blood that came to the company more recently to work specifically on those games. So it's less likely they'd be subjected to the same work culture. There were also people (Dave Kosak for example) who moved from prominent roles on WoW to arguably smaller roles on HS. This is pure speculation but I wouldn't be shocked if it turns out that they changed teams to get away from that toxic work environment.
Hopefully they can clean house and move on. I want to be able to enjoy these games, and I want the creators to be able to enjoy making them.
Here is the information released as part of the investigation into Activision Blizzard by the California Department of Fair Employment and Housing (DFEH) so far: https://aboutblaw.com/YJw
Feel free to check it, people.
Not really I have no stake in this just when you blanket statement everyone with the title of bootlicker you come off as self righteous as the you tubers pretending to care.
Ben Brode's comment on the subject:
https://twitter.com/bbrode/status/1418708159246397442
I wonder what you ever did for the world to judge other people's actions.
That's weird, I can't see the grizzlybear6 post, but I can see it quoted in Mania's reply.
I don't have any ignored users, so it isn't that.
Oh well. As I said in my first post, the one good thing I can see about this mess is that a few of the allegations are black and white provable without asking a judge or jury to empathize or understand another person's feelings. That is the pitfall for a lot of sex discrim cases . . . some folks have a deeply ingrained "boys will be boys" mentality that results in excusing a lot of different behaviors.
I hope that, assuming the accusations are true, the victims kept the documentation they need to prove the pay scale discrimination and such. I realize that's not the most serious issue here as far as most observers will be concerned, but as always, it's not what you know, it's what you can prove. And that particular accusation is fairly easy to prove.
Helpful Clarification on Forbidden Topics for Hearthstone Forums:
Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
I couldn't see your last post at first either, something is marking things as spam at random here. -.-
That's vague enough to apply to both sides, but obvious enough to apply to a particular side.
"Oh no, not me though! I had nothing to do with it! I never reported anything, but I had nothing to do with it! I worked there for 15 years but I had nothing to do with it!"
People stop shoving this topic down my throat, I don't care about that girl i don't care about blizzard im here to get my goddamn dopamine from card reveals. i don't even play HS that much but i can't watch a stupid HS video witout getting OOOH MAN IT'S SO HARD FOR ME TO DO THIS STUFF WITH HS NOW SINCE THAT HAPPEND... I mean quit if you don't like it man, Toast at last had the balls to do it and stay true to his words
Yeah, that was a very weird response. I'm starting to feel nauseos to be honest. Ben has always been an inspiration to me as a game developer, I hope he has nothing to do with it. :(
If all this shit turns out to be true, chances you won't get your "goddamn dopamine from card reveals" anymore are pretty high. Don't be silly, please, this affects everyone here. -.-
For all the lawsuits Activision/Blizzard could face, sexual harassment charges is the lowest denominator for a masculine money driven company. Looking forward to the next one concerning MMR/RNG manipulation. It's all in the cards.
We make our world significant through the courage of our questions and the depth of our answers.
What could you possibly mean by "chances you won't get your [dopamine] anymore are pretty high"?
Helpful Clarification on Forbidden Topics for Hearthstone Forums:
Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
"Horrible attrocities happen in the world therefore crimes that don't affect me should go unpunished and unnoticed!"
Big brain statements in this thread by big brain users!
So if anybody harms you or your loved ones, police response should be "bruh, hunger, pandemics and genocides happen, deal with it"
Well, at this point, the fate of this game is more uncertain than ever. We don't know how exactly all this will affect Hearthstone, so I'm really worried about it too. Things can get very ugly for Blizzard and would likely have a huge impact in our beloved game. No more card reveals as we are used to? I don't know, call me extremist, but the possiblities are there.
I suppose the card reveal thing could go away if content creators continue to use them as ammo for statements against the company (and I don't mean that as a judgment, just that that's how Blizzard will see it).
I can't really see it going much further than that in terms of changing things. I'm sure Activision will hire some new "sensitivity coordinator" or some other good-sounding position in the hopes that they get some positive spin over it. There might even be a firing or too, though more often than not, even that small a result is hard to come by.
Regardless, the show will go on. It's embarrassingly difficult to mobilize groups of people in the name of any moral cause unless it demonstrably effects the group directly, seriously, and frequently.
Helpful Clarification on Forbidden Topics for Hearthstone Forums:
Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
Indeed a brutal fight. Alex really kicked the shit out of "I just want to eat bread man-man's" you go girl!
Let's hope so. :)
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I'm really shocked by the comments in this thread. Like, really people? You can't just put the card reveals aside for a moment to care about a problem that is causing deep suffering to people all over the world? Because this isn't some isolated problem or small incident. It happens everywhere on a daily basis. It's a problem in modern society. Yet, lots of people here seem to not just desire to disregard this in its entirety but they have to come here and post about it. They have to post how they don't care, how it doesn't affect them, how it is stealing their "dopamine dose" or some nonsense like that. Is this really the only dopamine source you have access to right now? You have nothing else to make you feel good in your free time? You really can't wait just a few days to see the cards? You really have to come here and act like a petty child who just had their favorite toy taken away for a few brief moments? If you don't care about what is happening then, at the very least, don't come online to post terrible messages because it's truly disgraceful to expose your own lack of empathy for other human beings.
Well, none of the complaints point to wrongdoing on the HS or OW teams, at least. It mainly focuses on the WoW and Battle.net teams, and issues with senior leadership on those teams, with incidents that date back as far as a decade or more.
The HS and OW teams, more now than ever, are comprised of a lot of new blood that came to the company more recently to work specifically on those games. So it's less likely they'd be subjected to the same work culture. There were also people (Dave Kosak for example) who moved from prominent roles on WoW to arguably smaller roles on HS. This is pure speculation but I wouldn't be shocked if it turns out that they changed teams to get away from that toxic work environment.
Hopefully they can clean house and move on. I want to be able to enjoy these games, and I want the creators to be able to enjoy making them.