I can't help but agree with the OP, my issue is I just don't get how it can be fun playing the same thing over and over and over - maybe I'm just jaded maybe I should just make use an aggro deck, I might enjoy it?
Maybe it's just rose tinted glasses too, I remember games years ago that would last huge lengths of time, players making interesting choices, picking trades wisely blah blah.
Or maybe I'm just salty because this morning I just played against the exact same deck 7 times in a row, and it was exactly the same that's the other thing that confuses me, not one card change - surely you'd maybe pick 1 or 2 different cards? Surely that helps if you're facing mirror matches?
Moral of the story is: The “I need to win games of Hearthstone by any means necessary” crowd, will never agree with or understand the “I play the game for fun & nothing more” crowd. It’s like this in every game. There are people who play the game for entertainment, people who treat it like they’re qualifying for the Olympics, & the rest are somewhere in between & probably never post on these forums.
Most of these discussions all seem to follow the same path of people simply sharing their opinions, followed by unnecessary personal attacks by anyone who doesn’t agree. So, in other words, there’s no real discussion to be had here. Everyone will feel how they feel & no amount of abusive ad hominems is going to change that.
There’s a lot of discussion to be had if the thread creator and many of those who agree with him dropped the holier than thou attitude and accepted that they just aren’t very good deck builders or deck pilots and stopped taking it out on people who are playing the game as Blizzard have actually designed it to be played.
Because that is what’s happening here. As broken as Hearthstone is it is still more than possible to reach legend with janky lists. The Super Duper Deck Architects in this thread are just bad though, hence they’re being rolled over by other bad players at Bronze to Diamond 5 and taking it out on an internet forum instead of taking the objectively more logical steps of either learning to be better at the game, or playing another game which is more forgiving to players who want to meme around.
Moral of the story is: The “I need to win games of Hearthstone by any means necessary” crowd, will never agree with or understand the “I play the game for fun & nothing more” crowd. It’s like this in every game. There are people who play the game for entertainment, people who treat it like they’re qualifying for the Olympics, & the rest are somewhere in between & probably never post on these forums.
Most of these discussions all seem to follow the same path of people simply sharing their opinions, followed by unnecessary personal attacks by anyone who doesn’t agree. So, in other words, there’s no real discussion to be had here. Everyone will feel how they feel & no amount of abusive ad hominems is going to change that.
What the latter crowd don't seem to get though is that the former crowd are having fun. There aren't two camps of people, those who have fun and those who don't, people find fun in different ways.
I enjoy hearthstone for the mechanics and the thinking of the gameplay. I have fun with a variety of decks with a variety of win rates.
What the OP is suggesting is that you can't be having fun unless you're making your own deck and only if that deck is different.
If someone builds their own deck from scratch, for fun, and they enjoy it and that deck turns out to be 29 cards the same as a tier 1 deck, should that person stop playing it? Not everybody finds deck building enjoyable, that's what the 'homebrew' crowd don't seem to understand at all. They enjoy it, fine. Loads and loads of people don't though. They find making a bad deck and spending hours trying to tweak it into a good deck unenjoyable.
So when you say 'some people are playing for fun' it's actually MOST people are playing for fun. Sure some people will be basically acting like a bot, just to grind something out and would actively say they aren't having fun but a majority of players climbing ladder are trying to do so effectively, whilst having fun. The anti deck sharing crowd can't seem to grasp that though. Deck building is clearly a bit of a niche hobby, so when they try to take some weird sort of moral high ground and announce that others are 'not playing the game properly' or whatever, it just sounds ridiculous.
Crease a sub reddit or mini community on here that people cna join and that has specific rules such as card or class bans, homebrew rules etc and that community can grow and play against each other, make friends with like minded people etc and have constant whacky 'fun' games. There's absolutely nothing stopping that but I don't think I've ever seen it even attempted?
That's a far better way of playing the game for fun than trying to enforce that way of playing on the game's main competitive mode. But I suspect those people don't want to do that, because they are bothered about winning. They want to have their cake and eat it.
Play wild, make deck which destroys a certain archetype, or a decent chance at beating res priest, auto concede vs counter decks, play fun games vs targeted decks and have fun. That is what I have been doing for the last 4 years. Still have a blast most days. The days I don’t have fun are usually when I choose to play standard.
Sorry I'm late to this party, but there are two equally valid observations one might have to respond to OP's questions.
First and most common, there's plenty of the game left over after deckbuilding considerations are exhausted. I personally could care less who built a deck I'm using, but I'm very interested in who can manage to pilot said deck to its highest possible win rate. This was the driving curiosity behind my recent experiments with Silas Warrior, and though as far as I know, no one "built" my exact version of that deck before I did, I couldn't care less if that is actually true or not. The experiment regarding Tickatus and popular conceptions about matchups was much more interesting and engaging.
Second, and partially related to my recent travails into Tickatus matchups, I don't concede the point that there's no deckbuilding to be done in a mature meta. I have conclusively shown that perceptions about matchups overpower the reality of the matchups. That is to say, when folks believe a meta is solved or restricted, they will (as a group) generally act accordingly and not attempt to disprove the accepted belief. As a result, there have been countless metas that have been "solved" only in the sense that we got to a certain point and decided there was nothing new out there that could be competitive, and so stopped looking.
If one is inclined to not believe this is true, one has only to observe the latest meta snapshot and the tier 1 status of Control Priest. Yes, I know there were recent nerfs, but the mantra has been repeated over and over: "Tickatus prevents any other control deck from appearing in this meta", and whatever story one wants to tell about nerfs, certainly Tickatus Lock was not nerfed in any way relevant to Priest.
It was lucky that the nerfs forced a reevaluation that otherwise probably would not have occurred on a big enough scale to debunk the accepted knowledge.
So, in short, yes, the game is very fun regardless of whether you build your own decks.
And no, I don't accept the premise that there is no competitive deckbuilding to be done just because YOU can't seem to manage it yourself.
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Moral of the story is: The “I need to win games of Hearthstone by any means necessary” crowd, will never agree with or understand the “I play the game for fun & nothing more” crowd. It’s like this in every game. There are people who play the game for entertainment, people who treat it like they’re qualifying for the Olympics, & the rest are somewhere in between & probably never post on these forums.
Most of these discussions all seem to follow the same path of people simply sharing their opinions, followed by unnecessary personal attacks by anyone who doesn’t agree. So, in other words, there’s no real discussion to be had here. Everyone will feel how they feel & no amount of abusive ad hominems is going to change that.
The thing I wish people would understand is this: the "I want to win games by any means necessary" people aren't some sort of emotionless robot. There's people for whom trying to maximize winrate at all costs is the fun of the game. They're not sat there grinding Face Hunter for four hours a day for an entire season and miserable about it. The same way tinkerers enjoy trying to find a way to OTK their opponent with Oil Rig Ambushers or whatever and find the idea of playing Face Hunter boring, power players enjoy playing the best deck and squeezing every single percentage point and find spending time perfecting Oil Rig Ambusher OTK Rogue boring. People aren't sacrificing their own fun to try to win - these are people just like you trying to have as much fun playing a videogame as they can, they're not weird robots who are willingly avoiding fun in their free time to make the ladder a worse place for you. I find this perception of "there's people who want to have fun, and then there's people who want to win" really bizarre and also really annoying. It's like somehow the way of playing the game that the game's structure actively disincentivizes - playing with sub-optimal decks when the game pushes you to maximize your winrate - is seen as the "correct" way by a lot of people. It's not, and neither is trying to win at all costs. Let people play the way they want, and don't expect people to change the way they play just so you can play the way you want.
Moral of the story is: The “I need to win games of Hearthstone by any means necessary” crowd, will never agree with or understand the “I play the game for fun & nothing more” crowd. It’s like this in every game. There are people who play the game for entertainment, people who treat it like they’re qualifying for the Olympics, & the rest are somewhere in between & probably never post on these forums.
Most of these discussions all seem to follow the same path of people simply sharing their opinions, followed by unnecessary personal attacks by anyone who doesn’t agree. So, in other words, there’s no real discussion to be had here. Everyone will feel how they feel & no amount of abusive ad hominems is going to change that.
The thing I wish people would understand is this: the "I want to win games by any means necessary" people aren't some sort of emotionless robot. There's people for whom trying to maximize winrate at all costs is the fun of the game. They're not sat there grinding Face Hunter for four hours a day for an entire season and miserable about it. The same way tinkerers enjoy trying to find a way to OTK their opponent with Oil Rig Ambushers or whatever and find the idea of playing Face Hunter boring, power players enjoy playing the best deck and squeezing every single percentage point and find spending time perfecting Oil Rig Ambusher OTK Rogue boring. People aren't sacrificing their own fun to try to win - these are people just like you trying to have as much fun playing a videogame as they can, they're not weird robots who are willingly avoiding fun in their free time to make the ladder a worse place for you. I find this perception of "there's people who want to have fun, and then there's people who want to win" really bizarre and also really annoying. It's like somehow the way of playing the game that the game's structure actively disincentivizes - playing with sub-optimal decks when the game pushes you to maximize your winrate - is seen as the "correct" way by a lot of people. It's not, and neither is trying to win at all costs. Let people play the way they want, and don't expect people to change the way they play just so you can play the way you want.
I agree and the reason I find it annoying is because it just shows such a lack of actual consideration of what it is they are talking about. They've not considered it at all and it's an attitude of 'if it's not done my way then its bad' which is an attitude I can't tolerate, it's ignorant and that ignorance probably then manifests in other forms with that same person and they don't realise that either, because they are so self centered. I can't respect that type of thinking, it's a level of emotional intelligence I expect from primary school kids.
Moral of the story is: The “I need to win games of Hearthstone by any means necessary” crowd, will never agree with or understand the “I play the game for fun & nothing more” crowd. It’s like this in every game. There are people who play the game for entertainment, people who treat it like they’re qualifying for the Olympics, & the rest are somewhere in between & probably never post on these forums.
Most of these discussions all seem to follow the same path of people simply sharing their opinions, followed by unnecessary personal attacks by anyone who doesn’t agree. So, in other words, there’s no real discussion to be had here. Everyone will feel how they feel & no amount of abusive ad hominems is going to change that.
The thing I wish people would understand is this: the "I want to win games by any means necessary" people aren't some sort of emotionless robot. There's people for whom trying to maximize winrate at all costs is the fun of the game. They're not sat there grinding Face Hunter for four hours a day for an entire season and miserable about it. The same way tinkerers enjoy trying to find a way to OTK their opponent with Oil Rig Ambushers or whatever and find the idea of playing Face Hunter boring, power players enjoy playing the best deck and squeezing every single percentage point and find spending time perfecting Oil Rig Ambusher OTK Rogue boring. People aren't sacrificing their own fun to try to win - these are people just like you trying to have as much fun playing a videogame as they can, they're not weird robots who are willingly avoiding fun in their free time to make the ladder a worse place for you. I find this perception of "there's people who want to have fun, and then there's people who want to win" really bizarre and also really annoying. It's like somehow the way of playing the game that the game's structure actively disincentivizes - playing with sub-optimal decks when the game pushes you to maximize your winrate - is seen as the "correct" way by a lot of people. It's not, and neither is trying to win at all costs. Let people play the way they want, and don't expect people to change the way they play just so you can play the way you want.
So..I guess we agree then? You kind of came full circle there at the end & basically reiterated my point. When I said “Everyone will feel how they feel”, that was essentially saying that there’s no right answer & everyone will never see eye to eye on this topic, which is fine. I never called anyone on either side a robot, so I’m going to assume that was directed at another poster. The two group labels I said were simply off the top of the head extremes, not the end all be all. It sounds like you fall somewhere in between, just like me. I can understand the mentality of both groups, but I don’t necessarily agree with either. Let me give an example.
For the last two years, I played nothing but highlander mage. During that time, the deck spent time in tier 1, tier 4, & everywhere in between. Where the deck ranked on tier lists was never important to me because it was the one I enjoyed playing the most. The fun I experienced playing negated any other factors for me. I was fine with losing more games. I guess you can say I was in the “I play for fun & nothing more” crowd. I made a write-up on the deck about a year ago, during the dragon hunter era. Half the comments in that post were people telling me how stupid I was for playing the deck in that meta, since hunter was popular. People said I’d be better off switching to something that counters hunter. The whole time I’m just sitting there thinking, “But this is the deck I like playing, I don’t want to switch.” They were basically telling me that whatever I find fun should come secondary to what wins the most games. I simply did not understand that way of thinking, but it didn’t surprise me, because there’s always a group of people who feel that way, which is fine.
On the flip side, when highlander mage was the best deck in the game for awhile & every other match on ladder was a mirror, people probably thought I was simply following the current trend & more than likely placed me in the “win by any means” group, even though I had already been playing the deck before it got popular. I still continued to play the deck, even though it was incredibly broken for a period of time. I was essentially taking the path of least resistance by laddering with the best deck, which led to numerous “friend” requests after matches. I got called a “meta whore”, “try hard” & a few other things. In their minds, I was that guy who a few in this thread have come to despise. I was the guy jamming the broken tier 1, flavor of the month netdeck. In my mind, I was doing nothing wrong & perfectly fine with it, because I was having a great time.
So long story short, I can understand the arguments of both sides. I’ve been on both ends of the spectrum & never felt bad about anything. I still don’t think players are ever going to agree on this topic, which was the point of my original post. There are people who just flat out despise anything popular & those who play it, as well as people who think the only way to play is to min/max. That’s just the way it’s always going to be with most games. I played a guy on ladder the other day who was playing a Nzoth/Cthun Rogue. You gotta respect it. The game was pretty fun because it was so random & unexpected, but at the same time I’m wondering “Why the hell is he playing this?” So like I said, I’m somewhere in the middle of the spectrum.
I've got to be honest: the swagger of self-declared "homebrewers" is off-putting, to say the least. And usually, when these people post their super-awesome, completely original deck, it amounts to a standard deck with 2-3 less common cards. Wow, how innovative. (Not saying you do this, OP, just that it's incredibly common.)
To answer your (presumably rhetorical) question about why play a netdeck, the obvious answer is "because I like the deck archetype and I'd like to master that deck (or type of deck)." I've been playing Reno decks since Reno came out, in just about every class. And they've changed quite a bit over the years. I'm by no stretch of the imagination a pro, but I think I understand the mindset and play style of Reno decks pretty well (although the more aggressive nature of Reno Hunter took some getting used to). So whenever a new expansion hits, I look at people who've designed a new Reno deck to see what they've come up with. I try a few of them out to see what works best. For me, that's fun: figuring out the new wrinkles of an old archetype. I don't play a lot of Secret Mage, but I imagine the reasoning is the same.
If you enjoy your Rager Shaman deck or your 7 card combo OTK deck, play it. But most people like to win and will, therefore, gravitate towards decks that have decent winrates. Just stop telling people how they're supposed to enjoy the game. It's incredibly arrogant.
So is telling people not to express their opinion.
I'm not the one telling people how they need to play the game. I'm not the one who thinks, "Gee, I like creating my own decks, so everyone else should as well." I'm not the one who seriously created a thread stating that he doesn't understand why people don't play the same way he does. And I'm certainly not telling him not to express his own opinion. If he wants to start a thread saying, "Hey, how many people like creating their own decks?" that's fine. If he wants to, in other threads, say, "I personally find it more rewarding to play homebrew decks," I have no issue. But when he starts insinuating that people who netdeck are ruining the game because he is personally sick of playing against the tier 1 decks, then he's insulting the vast majority of the player base out there, myself included. And I'm entitled to respond to that.
And, BTW, I answered him respectfully and politely. I explained why I personally enjoy playing my favorite deck type (Reno) and why I continue to find it interesting and fun. He subsequently insisted (in response to others) that he wasn't attacking people for netdecking, and I'll take his word for that. But no reasonable person could read his initial post and NOT conclude that he sees his way of playing as morally superior, which was the point I criticized him for.
Okay, honestly I find it really surprising how many people are just throwing insults and other such stuff here.
Only shows how great the game and the community is now if anything.
And for those who actually answered and described their thoughts without insulting, trash talking or saying "GET GUD". Thank you.
Now, there are some who clearly either didn't read everything or just didn't care to think about what I wrote. So I'll reinterpret what I have written before.
For more than years you've been going to the same exact food joint. Ordering the exact same food. Rarely changing the drink or the sides to go along with it. Maybe once in a blue moon you try something different. But it takes longer to be served, costs a little bit more or you have to eat it in a specific way, which is harder. And ultimately because of those reasons you continue to eat the same dish. Now the conclusion. How is eating the exact same food healthy and not sickening?
Now you get invited to someones home and they make their own dish and serve it to you. And you say it's garbage and that they are a terrible cook. While bragging about having way better food and saying to take culinary classes to the other person. While not knowing how to even crack an egg for an omelett (to drastic of a comparison, but considering what other people compared in this thread it will suffice). What would you call such a person?
And for those of you who said that deck building is a small part of the tcg... Are cooking skills a small part of life also?
Basically, there are people who don't know how to cook but want to enjoy quality food. While at the same time there are people that want to make their own dishes as good as possible. The problem is that a lot of the time the people that only want quality food have a higher opinion about themselves and are just claiming to be better *cooks* because they eat better food. And sure there are such people on the opposite side. However, in this thread the majority of negativity came from the *quality* people. The funniest part is that they think that the deck builders are the snobby and rude ones, when actually it's the opposite. And I invite you to reread the thread to make sure. The only time that I made any sort of insult is when I called people who play tier 1 decks in casual clowns.
I'm an actual, real home brewer. Of beer. I enjoy designing the recipe, mastering the brewing process, and (most of all) drinking the final product. For me, that's fun. But the vast majority of my friends, while liking beer, have no interest in learning how it's made or engaging in the process. I would never ask, "How can someone say they enjoy beer if they don't want to learn how to make it? Is it fun for them to drink a beer someone else came up with? They're missing half the fun. How can they drink the same beer over and over for years? People need to stop drinking this pre-packaged stuff and brew their own." Same thing applies here.
I mean you can play the victim all you want but your original post was pretty antagonistic and your general attitude is less curious and more critical, so it’s expected that people will react negatively.
If you want to know why people netdeck you can ask in far more productive ways. There’s the salt thread for salt.
I’m like you, net decking a tier 1 aggro list and playing it every day seems like it would be my own personal hell.
I do think the extent of netdecking is to the determent of the game, but I also understand it’s a competitive game and there are many reason to netdeck. Blizzard could do so much to alleviate this though, where they could make casual the place to go for people who want to experience variety.
As long as you’re prepared for longer wait times they could implement options like don’t play the same class more than once every five games, no mirror matches, even ban a class if you’re fed of seeing them.
Of course this wouldn’t be possible on ladder where you expect to see T1 decks, but I can’t see how this would be in any way detrimental to the casual game mode.
I actually tried to take this post’s idea to heart and resisted from netdecking a Miracle Rogue deck and tried to build my own without reference. I ended up just making a less successful version of the builds you see here that are the same idea but more efficient. At the end of the day i dont mind taking a deck recipe but i try to seek out archetypes that arent what i’m already seeing every game on ladder. Right now i am mostly playing a priest variant that generates a lot of Carnival Clowns to actually beat Warlock reliably and I love it. I guess I could spend time fine tuning my rogue deck independently but i’m taking too many losses in the process.
Okay, honestly I find it really surprising how many people are just throwing insults and other such stuff here.
Only shows how great the game and the community is now if anything.
And for those who actually answered and described their thoughts without insulting, trash talking or saying "GET GUD". Thank you.
Now, there are some who clearly either didn't read everything or just didn't care to think about what I wrote. So I'll reinterpret what I have written before.
For more than years you've been going to the same exact food joint. Ordering the exact same food. Rarely changing the drink or the sides to go along with it. Maybe once in a blue moon you try something different. But it takes longer to be served, costs a little bit more or you have to eat it in a specific way, which is harder. And ultimately because of those reasons you continue to eat the same dish. Now the conclusion. How is eating the exact same food healthy and not sickening?
Now you get invited to someones home and they make their own dish and serve it to you. And you say it's garbage and that they are a terrible cook. While bragging about having way better food and saying to take culinary classes to the other person. While not knowing how to even crack an egg for an omelett (to drastic of a comparison, but considering what other people compared in this thread it will suffice). What would you call such a person?
And for those of you who said that deck building is a small part of the tcg... Are cooking skills a small part of life also?
Basically, there are people who don't know how to cook but want to enjoy quality food. While at the same time there are people that want to make their own dishes as good as possible. The problem is that a lot of the time the people that only want quality food have a higher opinion about themselves and are just claiming to be better *cooks* because they eat better food. And sure there are such people on the opposite side. However, in this thread the majority of negativity came from the *quality* people. The funniest part is that they think that the deck builders are the snobby and rude ones, when actually it's the opposite. And I invite you to reread the thread to make sure. The only time that I made any sort of insult is when I called people who play tier 1 decks in casual clowns.
That's basically what I've read in this thread.
Wow, soooo many things wrong with this post. Where to begin?
First off, most of us were responding to your first post, which can only be described as arrogant. The thread title itself is beyond condescending. Your first sentence, "Making a deck and seeing how well it does against other decks, experimenting with different classes and archetypes, discovering a play style and cards that you enjoy is what makes TCG fun" is demonstrably false, at least for most players. Again, "making a deck" is not necessarily what makes TCG fun.
Second, you're lying when you say "The only time that I made any sort of insult is when I called people who play tier 1 decks in casual clowns." Look at your first post: "And if you say - "Well, uhm the deck changed over the years" or "There are stronger decks out there", then you are a moron." Unless you come from a place where being called a moron is a compliment, you most certainly DID start "throwing insults."
Finally, your food analogy is absurd and the assumptions that underlie it are arrogant. You assume that the only reason people don't "order a different meal" is because it costs more or is harder. Maybe, just maybe, it's because they LIKE that meal and don't WANT to try something different. And, by the way, I know of no one who only "orders one meal" (i.e., plays one deck) in HS. Most people have several decks they enjoy playing.
To continue with your horribly-strained food analogy, I don't recall anyone saying that your food is "garbage" or that "you're a terrible cook." I certainly didn't. What they said is no one else cares if the food you eat for yourself is garbage or not. If it makes you happy, enjoy, even if it makes you sick (i.e., has a low winrate). Just stop telling us to eat what you're eating. If you don't think eating at a restaurant rather than cooking is worth it, don't. But most of us choose to dine out.
Cooking skills can be a small part of life if you have enough money that you never need to cook. (I wouldn't know.) Given how easy it is for people to access restaurants (i.e. netdecks), the vast majority of players do have the "money" to do so. And you have no moral right to lecture them on how wrong that is.
Your final paragraph is more BS. Again, I don't recall anyone saying they're better "cooks" (players) than you just because you homebrew. (I know I didn't.) In fact, many said that it is possible to ladder up using homebrew decks. What they said is that they want to eat the best possible food (highest winrate), and that entails eating out rather than eating their own cooking. That's what's fun for them. And the only side telling the other how to have fun is yours. No one who netdecks gives a crap whether you do so or not.
Okay, honestly I find it really surprising how many people are just throwing insults and other such stuff here.
Only shows how great the game and the community is now if anything.
And for those who actually answered and described their thoughts without insulting, trash talking or saying "GET GUD". Thank you.
Now, there are some who clearly either didn't read everything or just didn't care to think about what I wrote. So I'll reinterpret what I have written before.
For more than years you've been going to the same exact food joint. Ordering the exact same food. Rarely changing the drink or the sides to go along with it. Maybe once in a blue moon you try something different. But it takes longer to be served, costs a little bit more or you have to eat it in a specific way, which is harder. And ultimately because of those reasons you continue to eat the same dish. Now the conclusion. How is eating the exact same food healthy and not sickening?
Now you get invited to someones home and they make their own dish and serve it to you. And you say it's garbage and that they are a terrible cook. While bragging about having way better food and saying to take culinary classes to the other person. While not knowing how to even crack an egg for an omelett (to drastic of a comparison, but considering what other people compared in this thread it will suffice). What would you call such a person?
And for those of you who said that deck building is a small part of the tcg... Are cooking skills a small part of life also?
Basically, there are people who don't know how to cook but want to enjoy quality food. While at the same time there are people that want to make their own dishes as good as possible. The problem is that a lot of the time the people that only want quality food have a higher opinion about themselves and are just claiming to be better *cooks* because they eat better food. And sure there are such people on the opposite side. However, in this thread the majority of negativity came from the *quality* people. The funniest part is that they think that the deck builders are the snobby and rude ones, when actually it's the opposite. And I invite you to reread the thread to make sure. The only time that I made any sort of insult is when I called people who play tier 1 decks in casual clowns.
That's basically what I've read in this thread.
You've missed the point entirely. You're broadly applying your subjective opinion on what's makes something fun or what constitutes 'fun' and applying it to other people.
Your OP was pretty aggressive and judgemental, as well as patronising with your underlining of specific sentences, as if people would have a hard time understanding that they were important to your point.
Re-read it back and consider it from the perspective of the people you're aiming at it. You acted like a bit I'd a dick and so you got responded to in kind.
People are sick of the people who try to belittle 'net decking', you aren't the first butt hurt 'home brewer' to make some laughable claim of playing the game 'the right way' - the games developers disagree with you on that by the way. This is the only card game I've properly played and this incessant whinging from a minority of people about 'net decking' is bizarre to me. Pretty much anything and everything that has tactics or synergies or builds or decks in it, is going to have a community of people sharing the best/most effective. Game guides and walkthroughs have existed for decades. Not everyone wants to spend hours doing a part of the game they find unenjoyable.
You like to play the game a specific way and that's totally fine but it isn't *the* way to play it and it isn't superior or inferior, it's just how you choose to play it. People typically don't like being dictated to, so when you do that, you're going to get a prickly reaction.
You still don't seem to be grasping why people disagree with you. Your food analogy is poor for so many reasons. You appear to lack the emoitional intelligence to consider other perspectives, I'd encourage you to 'steelman' any views you disagree with. Just spend 5 minutes and think of the best possible reasons for that point of view.
And yes, the deck building in the sense you're talking about is just a small part. It's completely optional in fact, hence why deck codes are in the game.
Uhm, you already just confirmed what I've wrote in my last post. The moron part has an if. I did not say YOU are a moron I just didn't want irrelevant arguments to be part of the discussion, because most of the times when something like that is brought up people say that there are even better decks or other similar shit. Plus if you didn't see or read something it doesn't mean it wasn't there, go reread the thread, since you have poor eyesight.
I've tried to be fucking polite and respectful but fuck it, since most of you guys start bitching around and throwing insults around then fine.
Sorry, that a lot of you took my words and twisted them to make some kind of points. I should have probably taken even more time to try to make it as understandable as it can be and to be more clear since there are so many fucking snowflakes around here. You say I insulted someone, that I am arrogant, that I think that only my way of playing is the right way. NOW, tell me where in my last 2 threads did I say any of that? Stop misinterpreting my words and twisting them to try to make a point or to take the higher moral ground. I still stand by my words in terms of the whole casual clown situation. Because most of the new tier 1 decks are a joke to pilot. So the whole - learning to pilot the decks is dumb. If you really need to play more than 2 games with those decks then you are garbage.
And before you dimwits start saying - you are insulting us now. Yeah, cause you don't understand when someone is trying to be polite. And I live by the rules respect someone the same as they respect you.
I'm just sick of seeing one of my most favorite games going down hill because of the whole fun = win = op cards, situation going on here.
And cooking is very important know since the whole covid-19 took out a lot of food joints out of the business. And I did not once say that the way that you play the game is wrong. The only thing that I said is how can someone continue to play the same deck, not the exact type of deck, like reno decks, which have a huge variety to them, but the exact deck. There was hardly any change in secret mage over the years, the only changes that happened are thanks to the new expansions but prior to that there was no variety in the archetype. And that is the issue. The whole game doesn't change after the first month of the expansion. Some new tier decks pop up and that's great. But most of the time you can already stop playing after the first months of the expansion since almost nothing changes.
And honestly if you think that deck building is dumb, unfun, not relevant or anything else like this, then sorry to break it to ya but this is a TCG. And the most important part of a TCG game is deck building. It does not matter if the deck only has a 70 % winrate if skilled players play it. The problem is that the deck has a 50% - 60 % winrate when someone unskilled plays it. It only shows the gap between the players who understand the decks and why it has the cards that it has and the players who don't.
So go fuck yourself if you think that making your own decks, trying to enjoy fun and unique decks is arrogant or dumb. If only winning brings you pleasure then so be it.
Terrible analogy, but I'll go with it if it helps.
I never claimed I was a better cook. I never claimed to care who was a better cook.
Diets consisting of a very few selected foods CAN be perfectly healthy; though just because one netdecks/eats at restaurants doesn't mean one can't eat at MANY DIFFERENT restaurants. I frequently have 27 different restaurants on speed dial (remember, you picked this god awful analogy).
I'd love to know what deck/restaurant you're referring to that hasn't changed in years. Even Rez and Raza Priest . . . hell, even Secret Mage in wild have changed their "flavors" to varying degrees in the past year. Rez Priest has completely revamped itself in choice of minions, for example. Furthermore, the phenomenon of decks enduring multiple metas is a fundamental feature of Wild format. In standard, it's far less of an issue.
I don't find any special merit or credit should be given to cooks who make shitty food. I like good food, regardless of whether I cook it or not.
Cooking skills are an infinitesimal part of life.
Since we're using food and we have to stick to this stupid metaphor, regardless of the food you choose, there are other aspects of eating like the ability to move the food to one's mouth. Some can skillfully maneuver chopsticks while others attempt to eat a forkful of salad and end up pouring rat poison down their throat. Regardless of how good or bad the food you choose is, a lot of folks vary in how skillfully they can manage to eat.
Congratulations! This officially is the weirdest post I've ever felt compelled to write. Not because of the content, but because I promised myself I'd adhere to a woefully ill-considered analogy insisted upon by the OP.
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You have not been polite or respectful. You called people including myself morons for finding the fact that the decks DO change over the years relevant. You referred to netdeckers as "clowns" who "undermine half the game already" and suggest the computer should play for us.
You made no allowance in your OP for the possibility that folks enjoy the actual act of playing the game far more than deck building because that's not your personal take on the game and you can't imagine anyone else has a legitimate different take.
Don't get me wrong, I frankly and openly think you're a blatant idiot for embracing the food analogy, but I'm not going to turn around and pretend I've been respectful.
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I can't help but agree with the OP, my issue is I just don't get how it can be fun playing the same thing over and over and over - maybe I'm just jaded maybe I should just make use an aggro deck, I might enjoy it?
Maybe it's just rose tinted glasses too, I remember games years ago that would last huge lengths of time, players making interesting choices, picking trades wisely blah blah.
Or maybe I'm just salty because this morning I just played against the exact same deck 7 times in a row, and it was exactly the same that's the other thing that confuses me, not one card change - surely you'd maybe pick 1 or 2 different cards? Surely that helps if you're facing mirror matches?
There’s a lot of discussion to be had if the thread creator and many of those who agree with him dropped the holier than thou attitude and accepted that they just aren’t very good deck builders or deck pilots and stopped taking it out on people who are playing the game as Blizzard have actually designed it to be played.
Because that is what’s happening here. As broken as Hearthstone is it is still more than possible to reach legend with janky lists. The Super Duper Deck Architects in this thread are just bad though, hence they’re being rolled over by other bad players at Bronze to Diamond 5 and taking it out on an internet forum instead of taking the objectively more logical steps of either learning to be better at the game, or playing another game which is more forgiving to players who want to meme around.
What the latter crowd don't seem to get though is that the former crowd are having fun. There aren't two camps of people, those who have fun and those who don't, people find fun in different ways.
I enjoy hearthstone for the mechanics and the thinking of the gameplay. I have fun with a variety of decks with a variety of win rates.
What the OP is suggesting is that you can't be having fun unless you're making your own deck and only if that deck is different.
If someone builds their own deck from scratch, for fun, and they enjoy it and that deck turns out to be 29 cards the same as a tier 1 deck, should that person stop playing it? Not everybody finds deck building enjoyable, that's what the 'homebrew' crowd don't seem to understand at all. They enjoy it, fine. Loads and loads of people don't though. They find making a bad deck and spending hours trying to tweak it into a good deck unenjoyable.
So when you say 'some people are playing for fun' it's actually MOST people are playing for fun. Sure some people will be basically acting like a bot, just to grind something out and would actively say they aren't having fun but a majority of players climbing ladder are trying to do so effectively, whilst having fun. The anti deck sharing crowd can't seem to grasp that though. Deck building is clearly a bit of a niche hobby, so when they try to take some weird sort of moral high ground and announce that others are 'not playing the game properly' or whatever, it just sounds ridiculous.
Crease a sub reddit or mini community on here that people cna join and that has specific rules such as card or class bans, homebrew rules etc and that community can grow and play against each other, make friends with like minded people etc and have constant whacky 'fun' games. There's absolutely nothing stopping that but I don't think I've ever seen it even attempted?
That's a far better way of playing the game for fun than trying to enforce that way of playing on the game's main competitive mode. But I suspect those people don't want to do that, because they are bothered about winning. They want to have their cake and eat it.
Play wild, make deck which destroys a certain archetype, or a decent chance at beating res priest, auto concede vs counter decks, play fun games vs targeted decks and have fun. That is what I have been doing for the last 4 years. Still have a blast most days. The days I don’t have fun are usually when I choose to play standard.
such salt much BM.
Sorry I'm late to this party, but there are two equally valid observations one might have to respond to OP's questions.
First and most common, there's plenty of the game left over after deckbuilding considerations are exhausted. I personally could care less who built a deck I'm using, but I'm very interested in who can manage to pilot said deck to its highest possible win rate. This was the driving curiosity behind my recent experiments with Silas Warrior, and though as far as I know, no one "built" my exact version of that deck before I did, I couldn't care less if that is actually true or not. The experiment regarding Tickatus and popular conceptions about matchups was much more interesting and engaging.
Second, and partially related to my recent travails into Tickatus matchups, I don't concede the point that there's no deckbuilding to be done in a mature meta. I have conclusively shown that perceptions about matchups overpower the reality of the matchups. That is to say, when folks believe a meta is solved or restricted, they will (as a group) generally act accordingly and not attempt to disprove the accepted belief. As a result, there have been countless metas that have been "solved" only in the sense that we got to a certain point and decided there was nothing new out there that could be competitive, and so stopped looking.
If one is inclined to not believe this is true, one has only to observe the latest meta snapshot and the tier 1 status of Control Priest. Yes, I know there were recent nerfs, but the mantra has been repeated over and over: "Tickatus prevents any other control deck from appearing in this meta", and whatever story one wants to tell about nerfs, certainly Tickatus Lock was not nerfed in any way relevant to Priest.
It was lucky that the nerfs forced a reevaluation that otherwise probably would not have occurred on a big enough scale to debunk the accepted knowledge.
So, in short, yes, the game is very fun regardless of whether you build your own decks.
And no, I don't accept the premise that there is no competitive deckbuilding to be done just because YOU can't seem to manage it yourself.
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The thing I wish people would understand is this: the "I want to win games by any means necessary" people aren't some sort of emotionless robot. There's people for whom trying to maximize winrate at all costs is the fun of the game. They're not sat there grinding Face Hunter for four hours a day for an entire season and miserable about it. The same way tinkerers enjoy trying to find a way to OTK their opponent with Oil Rig Ambushers or whatever and find the idea of playing Face Hunter boring, power players enjoy playing the best deck and squeezing every single percentage point and find spending time perfecting Oil Rig Ambusher OTK Rogue boring. People aren't sacrificing their own fun to try to win - these are people just like you trying to have as much fun playing a videogame as they can, they're not weird robots who are willingly avoiding fun in their free time to make the ladder a worse place for you. I find this perception of "there's people who want to have fun, and then there's people who want to win" really bizarre and also really annoying. It's like somehow the way of playing the game that the game's structure actively disincentivizes - playing with sub-optimal decks when the game pushes you to maximize your winrate - is seen as the "correct" way by a lot of people. It's not, and neither is trying to win at all costs. Let people play the way they want, and don't expect people to change the way they play just so you can play the way you want.
I agree and the reason I find it annoying is because it just shows such a lack of actual consideration of what it is they are talking about. They've not considered it at all and it's an attitude of 'if it's not done my way then its bad' which is an attitude I can't tolerate, it's ignorant and that ignorance probably then manifests in other forms with that same person and they don't realise that either, because they are so self centered. I can't respect that type of thinking, it's a level of emotional intelligence I expect from primary school kids.
So..I guess we agree then? You kind of came full circle there at the end & basically reiterated my point. When I said “Everyone will feel how they feel”, that was essentially saying that there’s no right answer & everyone will never see eye to eye on this topic, which is fine. I never called anyone on either side a robot, so I’m going to assume that was directed at another poster. The two group labels I said were simply off the top of the head extremes, not the end all be all. It sounds like you fall somewhere in between, just like me. I can understand the mentality of both groups, but I don’t necessarily agree with either. Let me give an example.
For the last two years, I played nothing but highlander mage. During that time, the deck spent time in tier 1, tier 4, & everywhere in between. Where the deck ranked on tier lists was never important to me because it was the one I enjoyed playing the most. The fun I experienced playing negated any other factors for me. I was fine with losing more games. I guess you can say I was in the “I play for fun & nothing more” crowd. I made a write-up on the deck about a year ago, during the dragon hunter era. Half the comments in that post were people telling me how stupid I was for playing the deck in that meta, since hunter was popular. People said I’d be better off switching to something that counters hunter. The whole time I’m just sitting there thinking, “But this is the deck I like playing, I don’t want to switch.” They were basically telling me that whatever I find fun should come secondary to what wins the most games. I simply did not understand that way of thinking, but it didn’t surprise me, because there’s always a group of people who feel that way, which is fine.
On the flip side, when highlander mage was the best deck in the game for awhile & every other match on ladder was a mirror, people probably thought I was simply following the current trend & more than likely placed me in the “win by any means” group, even though I had already been playing the deck before it got popular. I still continued to play the deck, even though it was incredibly broken for a period of time. I was essentially taking the path of least resistance by laddering with the best deck, which led to numerous “friend” requests after matches. I got called a “meta whore”, “try hard” & a few other things. In their minds, I was that guy who a few in this thread have come to despise. I was the guy jamming the broken tier 1, flavor of the month netdeck. In my mind, I was doing nothing wrong & perfectly fine with it, because I was having a great time.
So long story short, I can understand the arguments of both sides. I’ve been on both ends of the spectrum & never felt bad about anything. I still don’t think players are ever going to agree on this topic, which was the point of my original post. There are people who just flat out despise anything popular & those who play it, as well as people who think the only way to play is to min/max. That’s just the way it’s always going to be with most games. I played a guy on ladder the other day who was playing a Nzoth/Cthun Rogue. You gotta respect it. The game was pretty fun because it was so random & unexpected, but at the same time I’m wondering “Why the hell is he playing this?” So like I said, I’m somewhere in the middle of the spectrum.
I'm not the one telling people how they need to play the game. I'm not the one who thinks, "Gee, I like creating my own decks, so everyone else should as well." I'm not the one who seriously created a thread stating that he doesn't understand why people don't play the same way he does. And I'm certainly not telling him not to express his own opinion. If he wants to start a thread saying, "Hey, how many people like creating their own decks?" that's fine. If he wants to, in other threads, say, "I personally find it more rewarding to play homebrew decks," I have no issue. But when he starts insinuating that people who netdeck are ruining the game because he is personally sick of playing against the tier 1 decks, then he's insulting the vast majority of the player base out there, myself included. And I'm entitled to respond to that.
And, BTW, I answered him respectfully and politely. I explained why I personally enjoy playing my favorite deck type (Reno) and why I continue to find it interesting and fun. He subsequently insisted (in response to others) that he wasn't attacking people for netdecking, and I'll take his word for that. But no reasonable person could read his initial post and NOT conclude that he sees his way of playing as morally superior, which was the point I criticized him for.
Okay, honestly I find it really surprising how many people are just throwing insults and other such stuff here.
Only shows how great the game and the community is now if anything.
And for those who actually answered and described their thoughts without insulting, trash talking or saying "GET GUD". Thank you.
Now, there are some who clearly either didn't read everything or just didn't care to think about what I wrote. So I'll reinterpret what I have written before.
For more than years you've been going to the same exact food joint. Ordering the exact same food. Rarely changing the drink or the sides to go along with it. Maybe once in a blue moon you try something different. But it takes longer to be served, costs a little bit more or you have to eat it in a specific way, which is harder. And ultimately because of those reasons you continue to eat the same dish. Now the conclusion. How is eating the exact same food healthy and not sickening?
Now you get invited to someones home and they make their own dish and serve it to you. And you say it's garbage and that they are a terrible cook. While bragging about having way better food and saying to take culinary classes to the other person. While not knowing how to even crack an egg for an omelett (to drastic of a comparison, but considering what other people compared in this thread it will suffice). What would you call such a person?
And for those of you who said that deck building is a small part of the tcg... Are cooking skills a small part of life also?
Basically, there are people who don't know how to cook but want to enjoy quality food. While at the same time there are people that want to make their own dishes as good as possible. The problem is that a lot of the time the people that only want quality food have a higher opinion about themselves and are just claiming to be better *cooks* because they eat better food. And sure there are such people on the opposite side. However, in this thread the majority of negativity came from the *quality* people. The funniest part is that they think that the deck builders are the snobby and rude ones, when actually it's the opposite. And I invite you to reread the thread to make sure. The only time that I made any sort of insult is when I called people who play tier 1 decks in casual clowns.
That's basically what I've read in this thread.
I'm an actual, real home brewer. Of beer. I enjoy designing the recipe, mastering the brewing process, and (most of all) drinking the final product. For me, that's fun. But the vast majority of my friends, while liking beer, have no interest in learning how it's made or engaging in the process. I would never ask, "How can someone say they enjoy beer if they don't want to learn how to make it? Is it fun for them to drink a beer someone else came up with? They're missing half the fun. How can they drink the same beer over and over for years? People need to stop drinking this pre-packaged stuff and brew their own." Same thing applies here.
I mean you can play the victim all you want but your original post was pretty antagonistic and your general attitude is less curious and more critical, so it’s expected that people will react negatively.
If you want to know why people netdeck you can ask in far more productive ways. There’s the salt thread for salt.
I’m like you, net decking a tier 1 aggro list and playing it every day seems like it would be my own personal hell.
I do think the extent of netdecking is to the determent of the game, but I also understand it’s a competitive game and there are many reason to netdeck. Blizzard could do so much to alleviate this though, where they could make casual the place to go for people who want to experience variety.
As long as you’re prepared for longer wait times they could implement options like don’t play the same class more than once every five games, no mirror matches, even ban a class if you’re fed of seeing them.
Of course this wouldn’t be possible on ladder where you expect to see T1 decks, but I can’t see how this would be in any way detrimental to the casual game mode.
Winning is fun...to some the vehicle of the win is irrelevant
I actually tried to take this post’s idea to heart and resisted from netdecking a Miracle Rogue deck and tried to build my own without reference. I ended up just making a less successful version of the builds you see here that are the same idea but more efficient. At the end of the day i dont mind taking a deck recipe but i try to seek out archetypes that arent what i’m already seeing every game on ladder. Right now i am mostly playing a priest variant that generates a lot of Carnival Clowns to actually beat Warlock reliably and I love it. I guess I could spend time fine tuning my rogue deck independently but i’m taking too many losses in the process.
Wow, soooo many things wrong with this post. Where to begin?
First off, most of us were responding to your first post, which can only be described as arrogant. The thread title itself is beyond condescending. Your first sentence, "Making a deck and seeing how well it does against other decks, experimenting with different classes and archetypes, discovering a play style and cards that you enjoy is what makes TCG fun" is demonstrably false, at least for most players. Again, "making a deck" is not necessarily what makes TCG fun.
Second, you're lying when you say "The only time that I made any sort of insult is when I called people who play tier 1 decks in casual clowns." Look at your first post: "And if you say - "Well, uhm the deck changed over the years" or "There are stronger decks out there", then you are a moron." Unless you come from a place where being called a moron is a compliment, you most certainly DID start "throwing insults."
Finally, your food analogy is absurd and the assumptions that underlie it are arrogant. You assume that the only reason people don't "order a different meal" is because it costs more or is harder. Maybe, just maybe, it's because they LIKE that meal and don't WANT to try something different. And, by the way, I know of no one who only "orders one meal" (i.e., plays one deck) in HS. Most people have several decks they enjoy playing.
To continue with your horribly-strained food analogy, I don't recall anyone saying that your food is "garbage" or that "you're a terrible cook." I certainly didn't. What they said is no one else cares if the food you eat for yourself is garbage or not. If it makes you happy, enjoy, even if it makes you sick (i.e., has a low winrate). Just stop telling us to eat what you're eating. If you don't think eating at a restaurant rather than cooking is worth it, don't. But most of us choose to dine out.
Cooking skills can be a small part of life if you have enough money that you never need to cook. (I wouldn't know.) Given how easy it is for people to access restaurants (i.e. netdecks), the vast majority of players do have the "money" to do so. And you have no moral right to lecture them on how wrong that is.
Your final paragraph is more BS. Again, I don't recall anyone saying they're better "cooks" (players) than you just because you homebrew. (I know I didn't.) In fact, many said that it is possible to ladder up using homebrew decks. What they said is that they want to eat the best possible food (highest winrate), and that entails eating out rather than eating their own cooking. That's what's fun for them. And the only side telling the other how to have fun is yours. No one who netdecks gives a crap whether you do so or not.
You've missed the point entirely. You're broadly applying your subjective opinion on what's makes something fun or what constitutes 'fun' and applying it to other people.
Your OP was pretty aggressive and judgemental, as well as patronising with your underlining of specific sentences, as if people would have a hard time understanding that they were important to your point.
Re-read it back and consider it from the perspective of the people you're aiming at it. You acted like a bit I'd a dick and so you got responded to in kind.
People are sick of the people who try to belittle 'net decking', you aren't the first butt hurt 'home brewer' to make some laughable claim of playing the game 'the right way' - the games developers disagree with you on that by the way. This is the only card game I've properly played and this incessant whinging from a minority of people about 'net decking' is bizarre to me. Pretty much anything and everything that has tactics or synergies or builds or decks in it, is going to have a community of people sharing the best/most effective. Game guides and walkthroughs have existed for decades. Not everyone wants to spend hours doing a part of the game they find unenjoyable.
You like to play the game a specific way and that's totally fine but it isn't *the* way to play it and it isn't superior or inferior, it's just how you choose to play it. People typically don't like being dictated to, so when you do that, you're going to get a prickly reaction.
You still don't seem to be grasping why people disagree with you. Your food analogy is poor for so many reasons. You appear to lack the emoitional intelligence to consider other perspectives, I'd encourage you to 'steelman' any views you disagree with. Just spend 5 minutes and think of the best possible reasons for that point of view.
And yes, the deck building in the sense you're talking about is just a small part. It's completely optional in fact, hence why deck codes are in the game.
Uhm, you already just confirmed what I've wrote in my last post. The moron part has an if. I did not say YOU are a moron I just didn't want irrelevant arguments to be part of the discussion, because most of the times when something like that is brought up people say that there are even better decks or other similar shit. Plus if you didn't see or read something it doesn't mean it wasn't there, go reread the thread, since you have poor eyesight.
I've tried to be fucking polite and respectful but fuck it, since most of you guys start bitching around and throwing insults around then fine.
Sorry, that a lot of you took my words and twisted them to make some kind of points. I should have probably taken even more time to try to make it as understandable as it can be and to be more clear since there are so many fucking snowflakes around here. You say I insulted someone, that I am arrogant, that I think that only my way of playing is the right way. NOW, tell me where in my last 2 threads did I say any of that? Stop misinterpreting my words and twisting them to try to make a point or to take the higher moral ground. I still stand by my words in terms of the whole casual clown situation. Because most of the new tier 1 decks are a joke to pilot. So the whole - learning to pilot the decks is dumb. If you really need to play more than 2 games with those decks then you are garbage.
And before you dimwits start saying - you are insulting us now. Yeah, cause you don't understand when someone is trying to be polite. And I live by the rules respect someone the same as they respect you.
I'm just sick of seeing one of my most favorite games going down hill because of the whole fun = win = op cards, situation going on here.
And cooking is very important know since the whole covid-19 took out a lot of food joints out of the business. And I did not once say that the way that you play the game is wrong. The only thing that I said is how can someone continue to play the same deck, not the exact type of deck, like reno decks, which have a huge variety to them, but the exact deck. There was hardly any change in secret mage over the years, the only changes that happened are thanks to the new expansions but prior to that there was no variety in the archetype. And that is the issue. The whole game doesn't change after the first month of the expansion. Some new tier decks pop up and that's great. But most of the time you can already stop playing after the first months of the expansion since almost nothing changes.
And honestly if you think that deck building is dumb, unfun, not relevant or anything else like this, then sorry to break it to ya but this is a TCG. And the most important part of a TCG game is deck building. It does not matter if the deck only has a 70 % winrate if skilled players play it. The problem is that the deck has a 50% - 60 % winrate when someone unskilled plays it. It only shows the gap between the players who understand the decks and why it has the cards that it has and the players who don't.
So go fuck yourself if you think that making your own decks, trying to enjoy fun and unique decks is arrogant or dumb. If only winning brings you pleasure then so be it.
Terrible analogy, but I'll go with it if it helps.
I never claimed I was a better cook. I never claimed to care who was a better cook.
Diets consisting of a very few selected foods CAN be perfectly healthy; though just because one netdecks/eats at restaurants doesn't mean one can't eat at MANY DIFFERENT restaurants. I frequently have 27 different restaurants on speed dial (remember, you picked this god awful analogy).
I'd love to know what deck/restaurant you're referring to that hasn't changed in years. Even Rez and Raza Priest . . . hell, even Secret Mage in wild have changed their "flavors" to varying degrees in the past year. Rez Priest has completely revamped itself in choice of minions, for example. Furthermore, the phenomenon of decks enduring multiple metas is a fundamental feature of Wild format. In standard, it's far less of an issue.
I don't find any special merit or credit should be given to cooks who make shitty food. I like good food, regardless of whether I cook it or not.
Cooking skills are an infinitesimal part of life.
Since we're using food and we have to stick to this stupid metaphor, regardless of the food you choose, there are other aspects of eating like the ability to move the food to one's mouth. Some can skillfully maneuver chopsticks while others attempt to eat a forkful of salad and end up pouring rat poison down their throat. Regardless of how good or bad the food you choose is, a lot of folks vary in how skillfully they can manage to eat.
Congratulations! This officially is the weirdest post I've ever felt compelled to write. Not because of the content, but because I promised myself I'd adhere to a woefully ill-considered analogy insisted upon by the OP.
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By the way, plz stop with the backpedaling.
You have not been polite or respectful. You called people including myself morons for finding the fact that the decks DO change over the years relevant. You referred to netdeckers as "clowns" who "undermine half the game already" and suggest the computer should play for us.
You made no allowance in your OP for the possibility that folks enjoy the actual act of playing the game far more than deck building because that's not your personal take on the game and you can't imagine anyone else has a legitimate different take.
Don't get me wrong, I frankly and openly think you're a blatant idiot for embracing the food analogy, but I'm not going to turn around and pretend I've been respectful.
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