I do understand that everyone can enjoy the game as they want. The question that I asked is how can someone enjoy the game while only playing 1 single deck for the past couple of years with no huge changes? How dumb can you be not to understand this? How much more do I have to write for people to stop twisting my words? Insulting, demeaning, patronizing how much up your own ass can you be.
I made this thread to hear why people play the exact same deck and why they enjoy that style, yet I only heard a couple of people actually answer like that and to them I am really thankful. But most of the retards became defendant of the whole netdecking idea and started saying that home brewers are arrogant and dumb.
Well . . . you have to write THAT specifically, for one thing. Your OP conflated netdeckers with this (straw?) group that apparently only plays one deck year after year. I don't know any players who actually stick to only one deck by choice. Either they are severely limited in time and money they can devote to the game, and thus have a very small collection, or they are working to break into the tournament scene, in which case for most of HS's history, they have to have a minimum of 4 decks with which to practice.
Sooooo . . . don't know who you're talking about who willingly play nothing but one deck for years.
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Honestly, of everything OP has said, the most telling part is this: " The problem is that a lot of the time the people that only want quality food have a higher opinion about themselves and are just claiming to be better *cooks* because they eat better food. "
OP, if you think that losing to someone in a game is them telling you that they are better than you then you are bringing a lot of weird baggage to the table. More importantly if you think that means they're saying they're better than you as a cook then you are fundamentally misunderstand things. Your deck's winrate is not proof of your ability to deckbuild, its only proof of how good your deck and deck piloting is.
The problem with your analogy is that its only a decent analogy for the deckbuilding portion but not the competition portion. So let me adapt your analogy a bit. Let's say you were going to a best chili competition. Not a chili cookoff, there's no rules that you must cook the chili yourself. It's a best chili competition. Its scored purely on flavor and presentation. Whoever brings the best chili wins. Would you get upset if the winner had a brother in law who was a chef and they brought their brother in law's chili? Would you snidely ask him if the victory feels hollow since he didn't cook the chili himself? Would you accuse him of thinking he's a better cook than you just because he brought someone else's chili and won a best chili competition?
Your opponents are not saying they're a better cook than you. They're not saying anything. They're just competing in the best chili competition.
And for those of you who said that deck building is a small part of the tcg... Are cooking skills a small part of life also?
I wasn't one of those that said that as this is my first comment in the thread. But I will say this, and keep in mind that I say this as someone who loves deckbuilding and has made it to legend nearly every month for the last 2 years with homebrews. I say this as someone who went to culinary school, who prides himself on being a good cook, and who has won best chili competitions with completely from-scratch chili. Yes, both of those are small parts of the larger thing that was mentioned.
Oh yeah, Leaga reminded me . . . who the hell is claiming to be a better "cook"?
I've literally never once heard someone flex over someone else on deck building in the entire history of HS.
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There are two types on this forum, probably both don't realize it. First the devs defenders and those who in one form or another are familiar with a profound contempt for devs. I myself am definitely part of the latter, most of the fanboys and pseudo-intellectuals part of the former.
The OP is such a latter-type. I congratulate him with his post. The explanation though is as important as the complaint: the target audience that needs to be served. It reminds me of mr. Smith' speech on existence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H3HjMLxKXs
In the scene copies of Mr Smith listen to his speech. Those copies are Blizzards fanboys in HS and Smith as the pseudo-intellectual basically tells the audience that card design makes any other consideration (home brew decks) irrelevant.
In the Matrix everything turns out right. In HS it never will. Only Smiths copies are served. HS is a Matrix in itself.
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Wow, For a guy who keeps telling me to read your post more carefully, you seem quite incapable of actually reading what others are saying.
Yes, you did call anyone who made the obvious (and accurate) point that decks change over time a moron. Said point is, in fact, directly relevant to your argument. Deny it all you want, claim we misinterpreted it all you want, but you did start the insults flying. Own it.
Thank you so much for your brilliant insight on how COVID has affected restaurants. I guess you were too caught up in your own (horrible) analogy to realize that said insight has nothing to do with your argument.
No one plays the "exact same deck" for years. Seriously. You're either clueless to that fact or you're arguing against something no one does. Certain CARDS may remain in a given archetype for years, but the decks themselves change with pretty much every expansion.
"And the most important part of a TCG game is deck building." Simply not true for most people. Again, this is the point that proves that you think your way of playing HS is the only valid one.
"So go fuck yourself if you think that making your own decks, trying to enjoy fun and unique decks is arrogant or dumb." You continue to fail to read: NO ONE CARES IF YOU HOMEBREW OR NOT. You're not arrogant because you make your own decks. You're arrogant because you believe that people have to make their own decks to really enjoy HS.
The game is still changing enough for me to stay interrested.
No, you can't play the deck from a year ago, even in Wild. The Classic meta obviously won't change too much, but all the best decks there are very difficult to play perfectly every game.
Rush warrior, deathrattle demonunter, handbuff paladin (wild) and others are new powerhouse arechetypes which have never been even close to as strong as they are now. Tier 1 decks from the past are now nowhere to be found.
There have never been more game modes available, so if you are tired of something, you can always switch it up to one or the others.
I have enough resources saved up so I haven't needed to spend any money for a long time, and I have been able to craft everything I want to play.
If you are that fond of meme and homebrew decks, just play Wild at a low rank/MMR. Even at reasonable MMR, I have met some very funky decks lately, like Odd Warlock (!).
Wow, For a guy who keeps telling me to read your post more carefully, you seem quite incapable of actually reading what others are saying.
Yes, you did call anyone who made the obvious (and accurate) point that decks change over time a moron. Said point is, in fact, directly relevant to your argument. Deny it all you want, claim we misinterpreted it all you want, but you did start the insults flying. Own it.
Thank you so much for your brilliant insight on how COVID has affected restaurants. I guess you were too caught up in your own (horrible) analogy to realize that said insight has nothing to do with your argument.
No one plays the "exact same deck" for years. Seriously. You're either clueless to that fact or you're arguing against something no one does. Certain CARDS may remain in a given archetype for years, but the decks themselves change with pretty much every expansion.
"And the most important part of a TCG game is deck building." Simply not true for most people. Again, this is the point that proves that you think your way of playing HS is the only valid one.
"So go fuck yourself if you think that making your own decks, trying to enjoy fun and unique decks is arrogant or dumb." You continue to fail to read: NO ONE CARES IF YOU HOMEBREW OR NOT. You're not arrogant because you make your own decks. You're arrogant because you believe that people have to make their own decks to really enjoy HS.
You are one of the plentiful mr smiths talking on this forum. When people don't realize that their 'free choice' of copying netdecks doesn't entail freedom, but that they're just prisoners of a system the gives them 'enjoyment', you can't blame people to be arrogant just by pointing that out.
I don't get these complaints, card games are notoriously hyper competitive, thats the thrill. You want to push the mechanics to it's limits, figure out optimal strategies and win and most people sign up for this. However the casual crowd is waaaaaaaaay larger and in the case of physical games, it is split into very small groups of friends that never set a foot into a LGS during a tournament to witness the cutthroat competition and have a unreal view of the actual thing. Hearthstone is 24/7 LGS Tournament, there is no room for kitchen table decks, if you to do so, either play with friends, git gud or wait for a meta shift.
Happy, don't be surprised by the attacks. There are some blizzard defenders on this site who think the way to promote positive discussion is to attack and mock anyone who is critical of Hearthstone. Remember, when you get flak, it means you are over the target.
Happy, don't be surprised by the attacks. There are some blizzard defenders on this site who think the way to promote positive discussion is to attack and mock anyone who is critical of Hearthstone. Remember, when you get flak, it means you are over the target.
Lmao "if anyone ever says you're wrong it means you're right" what a terrible point of view
I’m pretty certain most people wouldn’t mind explaining why they enjoy playing tier 1 aggro decks. It doesn’t seem like a topic which would usually cause much bother.
Looks like Timmy over here has confused playing 4 old gods corrupt priest with an inability to experiment.
Look OP, experimenting does not mean using only cards you like or find pretty, you have to account for game plan, removal, survival, synergy, draw, the meta and a miriad of other thing. I can bet a golden milhouse you haven't actually tried to build a working deck. Go to any other card game, let's see how you fare there. Ups your 5 color Jank deck lost to Dmir Rogues, oh no, does MTG suck as much as hearthstone??? Wait, there actually is a working, positive winrate, 5 color deck but it is MeTA so you couldn't possibly bring yourself to play it. Oh the humanity.
I support OP, the fact that devs release more and more cards that heavily support already strong archetypes is weird. Ok lets accept they release new cards for Standard too, but in this case they are free to nerf already powerful cards in that archetype in wild. Cards in secret Mage have too strong synergy and rewards and finally GET RID OF ZERO MANA CARDS.
I always make my own decks and get to D5 every month and would be able to push to legend every month with them but it would take shit ton of time. But there have been tons of decks that flopped either due to underpowered or lack of synergies and many cards sit there unused because they are utter garbage. Spending money in this game is stupid. I regret it every time. Also the game is getting dull with the lack of aspects in interaction.
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"Minion to minion the basic of all combats, only a fool trusts his win to an OTK"
Happy, don't be surprised by the attacks. There are some blizzard defenders on this site who think the way to promote positive discussion is to attack and mock anyone who is critical of Hearthstone. Remember, when you get flak, it means you are over the target.
He's not said one thing criticizing Blizzard. Ergo, no one who disagrees with him is defending Blizzard.
I do understand that everyone can enjoy the game as they want. The question that I asked is how can someone enjoy the game while only playing 1 single deck for the past couple of years with no huge changes? How dumb can you be not to understand this? How much more do I have to write for people to stop twisting my words? Insulting, demeaning, patronizing how much up your own ass can you be.
I made this thread to hear why people play the exact same deck and why they enjoy that style, yet I only heard a couple of people actually answer like that and to them I am really thankful. But most of the retards became defendant of the whole netdecking idea and started saying that home brewers are arrogant and dumb.
No, you're now being dishonest and back tracking slightly because you've been called out on your bullshit. Your op cried repeatedly about netdecking without the caveat that it was the only deck a person played.
" However, as more and more websites relating to HS sprouted and netdecking became more relevant, the huge aspect of experimenting and figuring stuff out on your own is completely dead"
"Can someone please answer me - "Is it fun to just copy decks from a website?", "Is it fun not to put any thought in the cards that are in *your* deck?"
You then do ask the question but have changed it in your post above to 'years', in your op you reference people playing a single deck for a year. I no nobody who does this, seems a dishonest question which you've asked to try and ram home your point. How many people do what you're saying? Every single person I've seen, played with, watched on stream etc plays more than one deck in a year.
Your main complaint is people not creating and experimenting with their own decks. You repeatedly cry about netdecking without referencing the 'one deck for one year' thing - I doubt many, if any people actually do that, it's just a strawman thrown in to try and add weight to your point.
Look, don't go on about 'dumb' you clearly aren't very bright and as I've said, evidently lack the emotional intelligence to consider other perspectives. Your op is aggressive and whiny. You probably could have had a constructive discussion but the wording of your op suggests that's not what you wanted. You wanted to rant and whine.
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I do understand that everyone can enjoy the game as they want. The question that I asked is how can someone enjoy the game while only playing 1 single deck for the past couple of years with no huge changes? How dumb can you be not to understand this? How much more do I have to write for people to stop twisting my words? Insulting, demeaning, patronizing how much up your own ass can you be.
I made this thread to hear why people play the exact same deck and why they enjoy that style, yet I only heard a couple of people actually answer like that and to them I am really thankful. But most of the retards became defendant of the whole netdecking idea and started saying that home brewers are arrogant and dumb.
Well . . . you have to write THAT specifically, for one thing. Your OP conflated netdeckers with this (straw?) group that apparently only plays one deck year after year. I don't know any players who actually stick to only one deck by choice. Either they are severely limited in time and money they can devote to the game, and thus have a very small collection, or they are working to break into the tournament scene, in which case for most of HS's history, they have to have a minimum of 4 decks with which to practice.
Sooooo . . . don't know who you're talking about who willingly play nothing but one deck for years.
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Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
Honestly, of everything OP has said, the most telling part is this: " The problem is that a lot of the time the people that only want quality food have a higher opinion about themselves and are just claiming to be better *cooks* because they eat better food. "
OP, if you think that losing to someone in a game is them telling you that they are better than you then you are bringing a lot of weird baggage to the table. More importantly if you think that means they're saying they're better than you as a cook then you are fundamentally misunderstand things. Your deck's winrate is not proof of your ability to deckbuild, its only proof of how good your deck and deck piloting is.
The problem with your analogy is that its only a decent analogy for the deckbuilding portion but not the competition portion. So let me adapt your analogy a bit. Let's say you were going to a best chili competition. Not a chili cookoff, there's no rules that you must cook the chili yourself. It's a best chili competition. Its scored purely on flavor and presentation. Whoever brings the best chili wins. Would you get upset if the winner had a brother in law who was a chef and they brought their brother in law's chili? Would you snidely ask him if the victory feels hollow since he didn't cook the chili himself? Would you accuse him of thinking he's a better cook than you just because he brought someone else's chili and won a best chili competition?
Your opponents are not saying they're a better cook than you. They're not saying anything. They're just competing in the best chili competition.
I wasn't one of those that said that as this is my first comment in the thread. But I will say this, and keep in mind that I say this as someone who loves deckbuilding and has made it to legend nearly every month for the last 2 years with homebrews. I say this as someone who went to culinary school, who prides himself on being a good cook, and who has won best chili competitions with completely from-scratch chili. Yes, both of those are small parts of the larger thing that was mentioned.
Oh yeah, Leaga reminded me . . . who the hell is claiming to be a better "cook"?
I've literally never once heard someone flex over someone else on deck building in the entire history of HS.
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Backpedaling, go reared my posts since you clearly don't know how to read properly.
There are two types on this forum, probably both don't realize it. First the devs defenders and those who in one form or another are familiar with a profound contempt for devs. I myself am definitely part of the latter, most of the fanboys and pseudo-intellectuals part of the former.
The OP is such a latter-type. I congratulate him with his post. The explanation though is as important as the complaint: the target audience that needs to be served. It reminds me of mr. Smith' speech on existence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H3HjMLxKXs
In the scene copies of Mr Smith listen to his speech. Those copies are Blizzards fanboys in HS and Smith as the pseudo-intellectual basically tells the audience that card design makes any other consideration (home brew decks) irrelevant.
In the Matrix everything turns out right. In HS it never will. Only Smiths copies are served. HS is a Matrix in itself.
We make our world significant through the courage of our questions and the depth of our answers.
Wow, For a guy who keeps telling me to read your post more carefully, you seem quite incapable of actually reading what others are saying.
Yes, you did call anyone who made the obvious (and accurate) point that decks change over time a moron. Said point is, in fact, directly relevant to your argument. Deny it all you want, claim we misinterpreted it all you want, but you did start the insults flying. Own it.
Thank you so much for your brilliant insight on how COVID has affected restaurants. I guess you were too caught up in your own (horrible) analogy to realize that said insight has nothing to do with your argument.
No one plays the "exact same deck" for years. Seriously. You're either clueless to that fact or you're arguing against something no one does. Certain CARDS may remain in a given archetype for years, but the decks themselves change with pretty much every expansion.
"And the most important part of a TCG game is deck building." Simply not true for most people. Again, this is the point that proves that you think your way of playing HS is the only valid one.
"So go fuck yourself if you think that making your own decks, trying to enjoy fun and unique decks is arrogant or dumb." You continue to fail to read: NO ONE CARES IF YOU HOMEBREW OR NOT. You're not arrogant because you make your own decks. You're arrogant because you believe that people have to make their own decks to really enjoy HS.
The game is still changing enough for me to stay interrested.
No, you can't play the deck from a year ago, even in Wild. The Classic meta obviously won't change too much, but all the best decks there are very difficult to play perfectly every game.
Rush warrior, deathrattle demonunter, handbuff paladin (wild) and others are new powerhouse arechetypes which have never been even close to as strong as they are now. Tier 1 decks from the past are now nowhere to be found.
There have never been more game modes available, so if you are tired of something, you can always switch it up to one or the others.
I have enough resources saved up so I haven't needed to spend any money for a long time, and I have been able to craft everything I want to play.
If you are that fond of meme and homebrew decks, just play Wild at a low rank/MMR. Even at reasonable MMR, I have met some very funky decks lately, like Odd Warlock (!).
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You are one of the plentiful mr smiths talking on this forum. When people don't realize that their 'free choice' of copying netdecks doesn't entail freedom, but that they're just prisoners of a system the gives them 'enjoyment', you can't blame people to be arrogant just by pointing that out.
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I don't get these complaints, card games are notoriously hyper competitive, thats the thrill. You want to push the mechanics to it's limits, figure out optimal strategies and win and most people sign up for this. However the casual crowd is waaaaaaaaay larger and in the case of physical games, it is split into very small groups of friends that never set a foot into a LGS during a tournament to witness the cutthroat competition and have a unreal view of the actual thing. Hearthstone is 24/7 LGS Tournament, there is no room for kitchen table decks, if you to do so, either play with friends, git gud or wait for a meta shift.
standard has so few cards aswell so not really anything to work with..
Standard has 810 cards my guy.
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EVERYBODY is net deckinf, what a noobs. I just beat them with my own brews and they get salty as f.
But in newer expansions its harder to come up with the brews. Some synwrgies are too strong, that you cannot compete with a decent curve anymore.
Lmao "if anyone ever says you're wrong it means you're right" what a terrible point of view
If you get flak it’s likely due to your tone.
I’m pretty certain most people wouldn’t mind explaining why they enjoy playing tier 1 aggro decks. It doesn’t seem like a topic which would usually cause much bother.
Looks like Timmy over here has confused playing 4 old gods corrupt priest with an inability to experiment.
Look OP, experimenting does not mean using only cards you like or find pretty, you have to account for game plan, removal, survival, synergy, draw, the meta and a miriad of other thing. I can bet a golden milhouse you haven't actually tried to build a working deck. Go to any other card game, let's see how you fare there. Ups your 5 color Jank deck lost to Dmir Rogues, oh no, does MTG suck as much as hearthstone??? Wait, there actually is a working, positive winrate, 5 color deck but it is MeTA so you couldn't possibly bring yourself to play it. Oh the humanity.
I support OP, the fact that devs release more and more cards that heavily support already strong archetypes is weird. Ok lets accept they release new cards for Standard too, but in this case they are free to nerf already powerful cards in that archetype in wild. Cards in secret Mage have too strong synergy and rewards and finally GET RID OF ZERO MANA CARDS.
I always make my own decks and get to D5 every month and would be able to push to legend every month with them but it would take shit ton of time. But there have been tons of decks that flopped either due to underpowered or lack of synergies and many cards sit there unused because they are utter garbage. Spending money in this game is stupid. I regret it every time. Also the game is getting dull with the lack of aspects in interaction.
"Minion to minion the basic of all combats, only a fool trusts his win to an OTK"
He's not said one thing criticizing Blizzard. Ergo, no one who disagrees with him is defending Blizzard.
You're just trying to start a fight. Grow up.
No, you're now being dishonest and back tracking slightly because you've been called out on your bullshit. Your op cried repeatedly about netdecking without the caveat that it was the only deck a person played.
" However, as more and more websites relating to HS sprouted and netdecking became more relevant, the huge aspect of experimenting and figuring stuff out on your own is completely dead"
"Can someone please answer me - "Is it fun to just copy decks from a website?", "Is it fun not to put any thought in the cards that are in *your* deck?"
You then do ask the question but have changed it in your post above to 'years', in your op you reference people playing a single deck for a year. I no nobody who does this, seems a dishonest question which you've asked to try and ram home your point. How many people do what you're saying? Every single person I've seen, played with, watched on stream etc plays more than one deck in a year.
Your main complaint is people not creating and experimenting with their own decks. You repeatedly cry about netdecking without referencing the 'one deck for one year' thing - I doubt many, if any people actually do that, it's just a strawman thrown in to try and add weight to your point.
Look, don't go on about 'dumb' you clearly aren't very bright and as I've said, evidently lack the emotional intelligence to consider other perspectives. Your op is aggressive and whiny. You probably could have had a constructive discussion but the wording of your op suggests that's not what you wanted. You wanted to rant and whine.