That just explains his knowledge and that he have no clue what he is doing. Get better rather than go on forum and chat shit
I have over 30k wins with Rogue playing homebrew decks (problably over 60k games with the class), legend every season since beta and you will say the same to me that i dont have knowledge and talk shit on the forum? Lmao.
Some of you guys are so clueless about the game and want to look "superior" from others, it's depressing and imature. the OP exaggerated with calling it the new king and went 0-18, ofc this is not true but warlock is indeed in a much better spot with the meta shifting, just search for good sources instead of copy pasta the same commentarys or just netdeck the first deck you see on internet, it's your own fault not the class fault, simple as that.
when you have nothing to add or have no idea what you are talking about the best thing is to keep quiet, just a tip.
No matter what i’m playing, Deathrattle DH, Midrange DH, Rush Warrior; Control Warrior, Priest all Archtypes, he can clear and handle every board at every state of the game and tickatus did the rest.
It’s frustrating & annoying
Warlock beats control priest, control warrior and ultra greed decks(bad decks), everything else destroys warlock without even thinking the plays
A quote from Vicious Syndicate: "We can’t remember a deck that was as weak as Control Warlock yet remained this popular. The persistence of the player base is indicative of two things: 1. It’s perceived to be far more powerful than it actually is 2. It’s enjoyed by many players."
I think the soul shard/corrupt package just isn't all that well-suited to this meta. The inability to control your healing means you autolose against Mage, Hunter, and decks like weapon rogue and spell shaman. I think you'd be much better off playing mill warlock right now. Blood Shard Bristleback is an absolutely amazing card in 90% of your matchups right now, and Soul Rend provides the much needed mid game removal that regular control lock lacks (absolutely essential against token Druid). Altar of Fire is a great Oh My Yogg trigger to allow your removal through, as well.
It has the same ability to dominate priest, it handles face damage decks much better, and it's not significantly worst against aggro decks, imo. It gets worked by lifesteal DH and Celestial Druid, but so does regular control lock and the Altar of Fires at least give you a non-zero chance to burn key combo pieces before they're drawn.
A quote from Vicious Syndicate: "We can’t remember a deck that was as weak as Control Warlock yet remained this popular. The persistence of the player base is indicative of two things: 1. It’s perceived to be far more powerful than it actually is 2. It’s enjoyed by many players."
I honestly think a lot of it is because people get all giddy when they burn 5 of their opponent's cards, thinking that doing so is somehow debilitating. (And, similarly, people on the receiving end flip out when 5 of their cards get burned, so they rage quit.) Sure, if a particularly important card/ your win condition gets burned, that's a problem. But most competent players can deal with the loss of 5 random cards.
If people would just realize that (for most decks) burning 5 random cards doesn't really matter, I think the whole Tickatus frenzy would die down. Jaraxxus is much, much more powerful than Tick.
As someone who’s played control warrior exclusively since the expansion dropped, I’d say the matchup is about 50/50, even though data says otherwise. I think the win rate is skewed from people not knowing how to play the matchup. Obviously, you can still get your win condition burned by Tickatus, but the matchup is far from an auto-concede, IMO.
Also, there are a TON of different control warrior builds currently & some are just flat out bad against the deck.
A quote from Vicious Syndicate: "We can’t remember a deck that was as weak as Control Warlock yet remained this popular. The persistence of the player base is indicative of two things: 1. It’s perceived to be far more powerful than it actually is 2. It’s enjoyed by many players."
I honestly think a lot of it is because people get all giddy when they burn 5 of their opponent's cards, thinking that doing so is somehow debilitating. (And, similarly, people on the receiving end flip out when 5 of their cards get burned, so they rage quit.) Sure, if a particularly important card/ your win condition gets burned, that's a problem. But most competent players can deal with the loss of 5 random cards.
If people would just realize that (for most decks) burning 5 random cards doesn't really matter, I think the whole Tickatus frenzy would die down. Jaraxxus is much, much more powerful than Tick.
It’s almost always more than 5 cards burned. It’s usually 10 cards. Tell me, how often can you pull out a win with 10 cards burned and only 1-2 cards left in your deck? 🔥
For that to occur, your opponent needs to draw Tick, something to corrupt Tick, and N'Zoth. He has to play all of these while not dying. So if you actually know what you're doing, it's actually not hard. Control Warlock is not a good deck. The numbers prove it. But, by all means, rage quit when you get cards burned. I'm sure doing so will make your opponent happy, since it'll be one of few wins he gets with that piece of crap deck.
I doubt that Warlock beats Control Warrior, I agree about it beating Priest and greedy bad homebrew decks
You obviously haven't played much Control Warrior, then. It's good against aggro decks, Priest and Miracle Rogue, and that's about it.
Overall, the win rate for Control Warrior is much lower than Control Warlock.
I've played some Control Warrior. Not much as it is not really a good deck right now as it is not so great as a control deck due to the lack of reliable cheap board clears and armor gains (really missing Risky Skipper). But Warlock is a relatively easy matchup. All you need is a couple of legitimate win conditions (outside of fatigue). I run Silas + Ashtongue for a possible OTK vs other control decks (Silas is great vs Libram paladin too btw), Rattlegore and Headmaster Kel'thuzad for some greed. Even if they burn one of my OTK combo pieces I still have Rattlegore (who is much less likely to be burned as I can tutor him with Taelan), which I can get a 2nd copy of with something like Kel'thuzad into Coerce/Shield Slam. Other lists run Faceless to copy Rattlegore. Others run C'Thun (even if Tickatus burns a C'Thun piece, having +4 cards in the deck helps with the fatigue race). None of these decks is too good probably, but they are all favored vs Warlock
A quote from Vicious Syndicate: "We can’t remember a deck that was as weak as Control Warlock yet remained this popular. The persistence of the player base is indicative of two things: 1. It’s perceived to be far more powerful than it actually is 2. It’s enjoyed by many players."
I honestly think a lot of it is because people get all giddy when they burn 5 of their opponent's cards, thinking that doing so is somehow debilitating. (And, similarly, people on the receiving end flip out when 5 of their cards get burned, so they rage quit.) Sure, if a particularly important card/ your win condition gets burned, that's a problem. But most competent players can deal with the loss of 5 random cards.
If people would just realize that (for most decks) burning 5 random cards doesn't really matter, I think the whole Tickatus frenzy would die down. Jaraxxus is much, much more powerful than Tick.
It’s almost always more than 5 cards burned. It’s usually 10 cards. Tell me, how often can you pull out a win with 10 cards burned and only 1-2 cards left in your deck? 🔥
For that to occur, your opponent needs to draw Tick, something to corrupt Tick, and N'Zoth. He has to play all of these while not dying. So if you actually know what you're doing, it's actually not hard. Control Warlock is not a good deck. The numbers prove it. But, by all means, rage quit when you get cards burned. I'm sure doing so will make your opponent happy, since it'll be one of few wins he gets with that piece of crap deck.
No one is arguing that the deck is good, people are simply stating that it’s polarizing in certain matchups. You really need to understand the difference. I’m not saying that anyone is right or wrong, but this silly straw man argument of “the deck is bad so don’t complain” really needs to stop.
For that to occur, your opponent needs to draw Tick, something to corrupt Tick, and N'Zoth. He has to play all of these while not dying. So if you actually know what you're doing, it's actually not hard. Control Warlock is not a good deck. The numbers prove it. But, by all means, rage quit when you get cards burned. I'm sure doing so will make your opponent happy, since it'll be one of few wins he gets with that piece of crap deck.
No one is arguing that the deck is good, people are simply stating that it’s polarizing in certain matchups. You really need to understand the difference. I’m not saying that anyone is right or wrong, but this silly straw man argument of “the deck is bad so don’t complain” really needs to stop.
Define "polarizing." If, by polarizing, you mean "People really hate playing this deck," that may be true, but it's also irrelevant. There are numerous decks that people hate playing against. Controlock is nothing special. If you mean, "Having cards get burned is tilting," then yes, I agree. That's what I said above. But if by polarizing you mean it's heavily favored against some decks but not others, then you're just wrong. Again, it is literally favored against almost no deck, other than Control Priest.
Warlock is king of losing in this meta if not for shaman holding the title. The little fun they have is probably Tickatus with 70% of the time not being played and even after playing it does not guarantee a win. That means out of 10 games they make at least 7 others happy.
On the contrary, the actual champions of the meta who makes 7 or more sad in 10 games bitches about the little fun of the losers so that they can achieve the perfect score maximising their own happiness.
Warlock class is also a player based class and likewise deck milling is a playable archetype. Somehow the warlocks are deemed villains of the meta because they harbor the card of mass destruction that disrupts their play. Every player needs to be converted to holy class like Paladin, Priest or play the same conventional archetype like agro, combo OTK or control.
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Is warlock dead after the nerfs as dead as it was before the nerfs(unfortunaly)?
Yes
OP cant win as rogue vs Warlock...
That just explains his knowledge and that he have no clue what he is doing. Get better rather than go on forum and chat shit
I have over 30k wins with Rogue playing homebrew decks (problably over 60k games with the class), legend every season since beta and you will say the same to me that i dont have knowledge and talk shit on the forum? Lmao.
Some of you guys are so clueless about the game and want to look "superior" from others, it's depressing and imature. the OP exaggerated with calling it the new king and went 0-18, ofc this is not true but warlock is indeed in a much better spot with the meta shifting, just search for good sources instead of copy pasta the same commentarys or just netdeck the first deck you see on internet, it's your own fault not the class fault, simple as that.
when you have nothing to add or have no idea what you are talking about the best thing is to keep quiet, just a tip.
Warlock beats control priest, control warrior and ultra greed decks(bad decks), everything else destroys warlock without even thinking the plays
I doubt that Warlock beats Control Warrior, I agree about it beating Priest and greedy bad homebrew decks
You obviously haven't played much Control Warrior, then. It's good against aggro decks, Priest and Miracle Rogue, and that's about it.
Overall, the win rate for Control Warrior is much lower than Control Warlock.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
git gud OP
A quote from Vicious Syndicate: "We can’t remember a deck that was as weak as Control Warlock yet remained this popular. The persistence of the player base is indicative of two things: 1. It’s perceived to be far more powerful than it actually is 2. It’s enjoyed by many players."
I think the soul shard/corrupt package just isn't all that well-suited to this meta. The inability to control your healing means you autolose against Mage, Hunter, and decks like weapon rogue and spell shaman. I think you'd be much better off playing mill warlock right now. Blood Shard Bristleback is an absolutely amazing card in 90% of your matchups right now, and Soul Rend provides the much needed mid game removal that regular control lock lacks (absolutely essential against token Druid). Altar of Fire is a great Oh My Yogg trigger to allow your removal through, as well.
It has the same ability to dominate priest, it handles face damage decks much better, and it's not significantly worst against aggro decks, imo. It gets worked by lifesteal DH and Celestial Druid, but so does regular control lock and the Altar of Fires at least give you a non-zero chance to burn key combo pieces before they're drawn.
Trust me, its autowin against control warrior not jusy becasuse it counters, because control warlock is also a tier 3-4 deck
I honestly think a lot of it is because people get all giddy when they burn 5 of their opponent's cards, thinking that doing so is somehow debilitating. (And, similarly, people on the receiving end flip out when 5 of their cards get burned, so they rage quit.) Sure, if a particularly important card/ your win condition gets burned, that's a problem. But most competent players can deal with the loss of 5 random cards.
If people would just realize that (for most decks) burning 5 random cards doesn't really matter, I think the whole Tickatus frenzy would die down. Jaraxxus is much, much more powerful than Tick.
You mean control warrior?
But yes, both decks are mediocre (warrior being slightly worse).
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
As someone who’s played control warrior exclusively since the expansion dropped, I’d say the matchup is about 50/50, even though data says otherwise. I think the win rate is skewed from people not knowing how to play the matchup. Obviously, you can still get your win condition burned by Tickatus, but the matchup is far from an auto-concede, IMO.
Also, there are a TON of different control warrior builds currently & some are just flat out bad against the deck.
It’s almost always more than 5 cards burned. It’s usually 10 cards. Tell me, how often can you pull out a win with 10 cards burned and only 1-2 cards left in your deck? 🔥
For that to occur, your opponent needs to draw Tick, something to corrupt Tick, and N'Zoth. He has to play all of these while not dying. So if you actually know what you're doing, it's actually not hard. Control Warlock is not a good deck. The numbers prove it. But, by all means, rage quit when you get cards burned. I'm sure doing so will make your opponent happy, since it'll be one of few wins he gets with that piece of crap deck.
I've played some Control Warrior. Not much as it is not really a good deck right now as it is not so great as a control deck due to the lack of reliable cheap board clears and armor gains (really missing Risky Skipper). But Warlock is a relatively easy matchup. All you need is a couple of legitimate win conditions (outside of fatigue). I run Silas + Ashtongue for a possible OTK vs other control decks (Silas is great vs Libram paladin too btw), Rattlegore and Headmaster Kel'thuzad for some greed. Even if they burn one of my OTK combo pieces I still have Rattlegore (who is much less likely to be burned as I can tutor him with Taelan), which I can get a 2nd copy of with something like Kel'thuzad into Coerce/Shield Slam. Other lists run Faceless to copy Rattlegore. Others run C'Thun (even if Tickatus burns a C'Thun piece, having +4 cards in the deck helps with the fatigue race). None of these decks is too good probably, but they are all favored vs Warlock
welp, as long as one of them is Neeru Fireblade. :P
No one is arguing that the deck is good, people are simply stating that it’s polarizing in certain matchups. You really need to understand the difference. I’m not saying that anyone is right or wrong, but this silly straw man argument of “the deck is bad so don’t complain” really needs to stop.
Define "polarizing." If, by polarizing, you mean "People really hate playing this deck," that may be true, but it's also irrelevant. There are numerous decks that people hate playing against. Controlock is nothing special. If you mean, "Having cards get burned is tilting," then yes, I agree. That's what I said above. But if by polarizing you mean it's heavily favored against some decks but not others, then you're just wrong. Again, it is literally favored against almost no deck, other than Control Priest.
Warlock is king of losing in this meta if not for shaman holding the title. The little fun they have is probably Tickatus with 70% of the time not being played and even after playing it does not guarantee a win. That means out of 10 games they make at least 7 others happy.
On the contrary, the actual champions of the meta who makes 7 or more sad in 10 games bitches about the little fun of the losers so that they can achieve the perfect score maximising their own happiness.
Warlock class is also a player based class and likewise deck milling is a playable archetype. Somehow the warlocks are deemed villains of the meta because they harbor the card of mass destruction that disrupts their play. Every player needs to be converted to holy class like Paladin, Priest or play the same conventional archetype like agro, combo OTK or control.