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Just curious, does anyone else experience stuff like, 3 times in a row the same 7 mana minion?

Not like I am mad, it's just weird how often I see the same minions and spells generated in a single game.

I know the pool is smaller yet it's weird.

Quote from 3nnu1 >>

That is because it is not random. 

 It is though

Blizzard has its own internal definition of “Random Numeric Generator”. 

It’s not what it seems.. historically proven, they manipulate the “RNG” as subtle as possible to keep us confused and buying packs. 

Welcome to Azeroth. 
Put on a tin foil hat and pray to Yogg. Guard your resources. And keep posting about the injustice that plagues our bank accounts. 

This is a recurring theme that has been explained again and again ad nauseam...

It has already been shown that, according to an Activision patent used in every Blizzard game with the simple objective of increasing revenue, the matchmaking and everything that should be random in the game is in fact rigged, there is nothing truly random in Hearthstone, but everything is performed by an algorithm that, for example, automatically chooses your opponent based on your winrate and the type of deck and cards you are going to play with, or even is able to alter the odds of drawing a certain card at a certain time or chooses the best or worst option from a pool as it deems appropriate.

But why? What is the reason for this algorithm? It is very simple: when you go to play a game, the algorithm used by Blizzard has already decided beforehand whether you should win or lose that game: your fate is already sealed. According to Blizzard, in theory, this ensures the ideal 50% winrate every time for everyone.

This video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T658vTvoRs clearly explain what this patent consists of and you also have at your disposal this thread where the matter is discussed: https://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/general-discussion/246232-an-interesting-video or this more recent one: https://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/general-discussion/247893-hs-matchmaking-is-biased-is-that-good

The problem are the usual fanboys who refuse to believe the evidence and charge against it, trying to make it appear that everything is our imagination, a coincidence, that the holy Blizzard would never put its financial interests first over the interests of its players.

Thank you for sharing. I hope this will help a few people quit.

There are so many obvious signs that a consistent pattern happens almost every few games. I can even predict which games I will lose for certain after playing it for a year. 

• You can discard cards in your starting hand only to draw them immediately back or within the next 2 turns. 
• Your opponent have the perfect hand against you. I can have repeated opponents with similar deck and played similar cards in their starting hands, coincidence?
• You can be on a winning streak only to have a similarly long losing streak later on. 
• Pitting you against diamond-tiered opponents when you are much-lower tiered.

Fanboys will simply ask for evidence, ask you to quit or "Oh yeah hearthstone has people watching your game and try their best to make you lose because they have something against you"

Sad to say, quitting is the only way to avoid this constant debate. Its simply severely tweaked RNG. Zephyr is a very obvious card that shows the game is able to read your board, opponent's board and your hand, at least. 

And like all businesses, info is vital. Each card's and deck's win rate are tracked through sources like deck trackers, HSRNet, all that's left is just sham algorithms to dictate your draws and control your game.  

Anyway just playing for fun now. 

I challenge you (mainly the fanbois) once again to create an opensource hearthstone with 100% pure RNG. And compare the mulligans, card draws, card creations, etc. No need to recreate the whole thing. Just adapt to a common meta matchup, rename the cards in a way we still know what they represent, and run a simulation and compare the outcome.

Will my opponent with an empty hand also draw the only card which is able to clear my board by doing 11,345 damage to all my 11,345 hp minions just _right_ now?

Its obvious its rigged. I didnt witness it once or twice, i witnessed it so often in all those years i lost count. When a card, that havnt seen play since ever or ages, comes into your play for whatever reason (cardpack, generator, brawl, you added it into your decklist, etc.) this card will pop up all the time from now on for a while. Suddenly your opponent plays or generates this card, suddenly you get it from cardpacks, suddenly you generate it with other cards,...

When we are able to predict stuff for decks we dont know, its pretty fishy.

The amount of opponents who got a perfect starting hand and perfect card draw, those who play like a textbook example for this deck all the time, is so frikken high. When you can distinguish between your opponents only by name, because the current match is like a recording from the other matches, while you are gimping around with the same deck and cant draw a minion in a deck with 30 minions --  to exaggerate a little, but im sure this happens to you too. No joke, back then i wasnt able to draw ONE silence in the first 10 turn with my SILENCE priest.

If _I_ would have their epic carddraw, i would have a very very long winstreak. Now a fanboi enters the scene and is preaching his stuff: iTs ToTaLlY rAnDoM, they just had luck this time and you not. But why i ask you, why am _I_ the one who gets matched with ALL those players who are lucky the first time in their life? Why isnt it _ME_ who gets matched against players who are so unlucky for their first time in their life?

The ABSURD high card draw per turn these days and the card discover and generation is the holy grail for a company like this. One player isnt allowed to win because his streak would be too high? BAM! lets create the illusion of a random generation, but in real lets just generate what the system thinks is appropriate. And if the opponent isnt a company bot your only hope is that your enemy makes an error or gets disconnected.

If its unrigged, where are all those players with extremely high win streaks that should occur in an unmanipulated environment? And yet i bet we _ALL_ have been barely able to reach a 10 match win streak. With some disconnect luck or crude missplays from the opponent.

And yet we meet the ultra "lucky" ultra big big minion taunt druid or the WTF? uber hyper face aggro hunter after a bigger winstreak. After that match you will never meet them again unless your streak gets higher again.

Quote from mulluk >>

I challenge you (mainly the fanbois) once again to create an opensource hearthstone with 100% pure RNG. And compare the mulligans, card draws, card creations, etc. No need to recreate the whole thing. Just adapt to a common meta matchup, rename the cards in a way we still know what they represent, and run a simulation and compare the outcome.

Will my opponent with an empty hand also draw the only card which is able to clear my board by doing 11,345 damage to all my 11,345 hp minions just _right_ now?

 

Its obvious its rigged. I didnt witness it once or twice, i witnessed it so often in all those years i lost count. When a card, that havnt seen play since ever or ages, comes into your play for whatever reason (cardpack, generator, brawl, you added it into your decklist, etc.) this card will pop up all the time from now on for a while. Suddenly your opponent plays or generates this card, suddenly you get it from cardpacks, suddenly you generate it with other cards,...

When we are able to predict stuff for decks we dont know, its pretty fishy.

The amount of opponents who got a perfect starting hand and perfect card draw, those who play like a textbook example for this deck all the time, is so frikken high. When you can distinguish between your opponents only by name, because the current match is like a recording from the other matches, while you are gimping around with the same deck and cant draw a minion in a deck with 30 minions --  to exaggerate a little, but im sure this happens to you too. No joke, back then i wasnt able to draw ONE silence in the first 10 turn with my SILENCE priest.

If _I_ would have their epic carddraw, i would have a very very long winstreak. Now a fanboi enters the scene and is preaching his stuff: iTs ToTaLlY rAnDoM, they just had luck this time and you not. But why i ask you, why am _I_ the one who gets matched with ALL those players who are lucky the first time in their life? Why isnt it _ME_ who gets matched against players who are so unlucky for their first time in their life?

 

The ABSURD high card draw per turn these days and the card discover and generation is the holy grail for a company like this. One player isnt allowed to win because his streak would be too high? BAM! lets create the illusion of a random generation, but in real lets just generate what the system thinks is appropriate. And if the opponent isnt a company bot your only hope is that your enemy makes an error or gets disconnected.

 

If its unrigged, where are all those players with extremely high win streaks that should occur in an unmanipulated environment? And yet i bet we _ALL_ have been barely able to reach a 10 match win streak. With some disconnect luck or crude missplays from the opponent.

 

And yet we meet the ultra "lucky" ultra big big minion taunt druid or the WTF? uber hyper face aggro hunter after a bigger winstreak. After that match you will never meet them again unless your streak gets higher again.

 This is a really long ramble to say "I have no evidence but I have strong feelings". 

You could easily prove this. Just download the deck tracker from HS replay and have 5 of you flat earthers upload a week of replays and everyone will see the clear and distinct pattern and how the 'rigged rng' can be triggered. It's easy, but you won't do it, because stupid people are led by emotion.

"Fanboys will simply ask for evidence"

Like this. Said as though this is some crazy, unreasonable request. It's not. You lot aren't alone in this either, every game I play has sections of the community saying this shit. Fifa have had it for years. Bad players making themselves feel better by convincing themselves it isn't them, that the game must be rigged against them. Its so boring now, I've never seen anything remotely convincing to confirm these accusations. I'm happy to accept it, I have zero interest in defending any company or game, I genuinely don't give a crap. If someone can post something that proves it, cool, I'll happily accept it. I have no special feeling towards this game and certainly not towards Blizzard so leave the predictable 'FaNbOy' to the side. Just upload some evidence and we can all put this behind us. 

Confirmation bias is strong in this one

Still waiting for your evidence.

Quote from mulluk >>

Still waiting for your evidence.

 You're the one who's claiming unproven stuff, so it's on you to bring up some evidence, not the other way around

https://kotaku.com/activision-patents-matchmaking-that-encourages-players-1819630937

here it is

I dont subsribe to the belief that it's all rigged, but I've just spent the last 10 games or so not getting mages or warlocks as a face shaman, only to switch to priest and get quest warlock....so there's that..!

p.s. Blizz I HATE that you made me play face shaman....