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I have another news for you guys. After you go post rank 10 or 5 they disappear, this mean that they are stuck at the bottom of the ladder

 i watched Dog's stream yesterday, top 20 legend games and most of his games were mirrors (he played mage obv)

Play stealth rogue :) ez gg

I feel you kid... hs is going down the drain. Mages now refresh mana cristals and rogues have hand reduction lmao!!!! Team 5 really should all be replaced. Hs is discover discover discover discover, rng rng rng rng rng and then cheat cheat cheat lmao! I mean most of the times i face mage from 7 cards on hand 6 didn’t start in their deck 🤣🤣 i mean how you going to win vs that? Let alone mention the ladder is 80% mage matchups. At least for me. 

Is not a serious ladder deck but is high tier 2 very likely tier 1 lol

Mages load the deck with discover spells too. I lost to somebody who had nothing, then discovered deck of lunacy and top-decked AoE spells from other classes 4 turns in a row against my token deck that had gotten way ahead of them.  Deck of Lunacy is bad, but the massive amount of card draw they get is the real problem. They already had 3-mana draw 2, and 2-mana draw cards based on spell damage. Why in the world did Blizz feel the need to give them a 0-mana draw 2? They are drawing handfuls of 3-mana reduced spells every turn for free and it’s absurd. I think I’m going to spend my time playing classic mode. I was hoping the new meta would be better, but so far it is just as bad or worse: Massive mana cheats, RNG out the wazoo, and since everybody netdecks, even casual games don’t allow you to make interesting or fun decks because these broken exploit decks are cut-and-pasted from every twitch channel by everybody.

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Definitely. Every time I queue up against a mage I feel like we might as well toss a coin who wins. (Usually my winrates even back that statement up quite well. Around 50% with almost any deck.) When you play against a Warrior you know you might get brawled on turn 5, when playing against a warlock you know they'll do anything to slam down Tickatus asap. Against Mage you can't plan anything since about 90% of their effects are random to some point. I was in utter disgust when I opened Deck of Lunacy in a pack a few months ago. Not my understanding of fun at all.

I wonder, is there any WOW lore to back that up? In other lores like DnD mages usually are the strategic, carefully planning intellectual type, whereas in HS they're just like "YOLO, I'm gonna wave my wand around and hope it does something good for me." It seems so odd.

 Deck of Lunacy decks are NOT casino decks. Read my post. I can understand that players may thinks it's a casino deck. You get random spells that you choose and use according to what you are up against. The advantage that Deck of Lunacy gives is the discounted cost of the cards. Again Casino is I drop a card and I see what happens. This is not the case at all with Deck of Lunacy. We DO GET useless, unplayable cards and we do lose because of that. No minion Mage (with deck of Lunacy) is TIER2!! Get real and objective for once. 

Casino = random. You can’t redefine casino to mean something else because it makes your deck sound like it’s not random. But with the 3-cost reduction, it’s more like a fixed casino and you’re the house with the advantage. 

Demon Hunter hasStar Student Stelina - other than that, I don’t know much else you can do. They will just discover the spell anyway if they don’t draw it. Maybe exclude legendary cards from discover spells? Legendary cards are meant to be 1 per deck. If they can be discovered, it kind of takes that away and makes it too easy to get.

Just play Rogue, free win. Mage can do nothing to stop weapon based decks. In reality it's 1/5-1/10 game when mage gets DoL early, and it's easy to defeat the other times with fast decks.

Every 3rd deck is a minion mage acording to hsreplay now... I hope it will go lower very soon, but nerfs should be incoming!

It is impossible to play around discounted random spells.

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Just play Rogue, free win. Mage can do nothing to stop weapon based decks. In reality it's 1/5-1/10 game when mage gets DoL early, and it's easy to defeat the other times with fast decks.

 It's because you are facing bad mage player. Good mage player always have Deck of Lunacy in starting hand.

Lol.

At the moment even 2 turn deck of lunacy can be too slow. Rogue, Secret Paladin, even Shaman can kill you very fast.

It's not a good deck, you won't climb to legend with it fast, it's just frustrating when it goes off and it's good against slow decks. Aggro players win most of the games against it.

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Mages load the deck with discover spells too. I lost to somebody who had nothing, then discovered deck of lunacy and top-decked AoE spells from other classes 4 turns in a row against my token deck that had gotten way ahead of them.  Deck of Lunacy is bad, but the massive amount of card draw they get is the real problem. They already had 3-mana draw 2, and 2-mana draw cards based on spell damage. Why in the world did Blizz feel the need to give them a 0-mana draw 2? They are drawing handfuls of 3-mana reduced spells every turn for free and it’s absurd. I think I’m going to spend my time playing classic mode. I was hoping the new meta would be better, but so far it is just as bad or worse: Massive mana cheats, RNG out the wazoo, and since everybody netdecks, even casual games don’t allow you to make interesting or fun decks because these broken exploit decks are cut-and-pasted from every twitch channel by everybody.

You could have just said 'I'm sad I lost'. To plenty of people, that mage deck is fun and interesting but you seem to think what YOU find fun is the universal standard. That mage player probably hates token decks so you can yell at each other about 'I'm better dan you, no I'm better dan you, no I am much better dan you are' or accept that there are a variety of ways to play this game and people find fun and interesting decks in many a different archetype. 

If I personally don't like token decks and think they are a low skill, cheap, nasty, easy mode way to play but I like mage. How does one decide who is 'right' here?

By the way, did you come up with the idea for a token deck yourself? Or did you utilise synergy cards for tokens in an archetype that is already pretty common. Are you just a dirty net decker as well? Post your deck list, I'm intrigued to see this 100% original, big brain deck that you've come up. 

Net decker is one of the most asinine, amusing terms people use to attempt to insult people. People will delude themselves into feeling better about losing in any way they can.

Ya know what plenty of people theory crafted decks for and discussed being a potentially good day one deck? Spell mage, hero power mage. You're lying to yourself if you think everyone has gone and got this off twitch. Look at the views streamers and YouTube creators get on this game, it's practically nothing.

Such a weird way of consoling yourself, this netdecker nonsense. Spell mage is a blast, great fun to play. I've been playing it for months, I'm not going to stop now because you have decided it's not the 'right' way to play this game.

How arrogant must you be? To think that what you find fun and interesting IS what is universally fun and interesting? Did your parents never teach you that if everyone liked the same things, the world would be a boring place?

I remember when Blizz said there would be less RNG this expansion and what do you know the Tier 1 deck is 100% RNG. GG Blizz.

technically the card was not printed this expansion
i dont think blizzard saw a huge play in this meme card
Its good right now because a lot of spells left the circle. imagine this card in Wild, you could get so much crap out of it.

I played tickatur an hour ago and I burned 4 libram of hope, srsly no fkn joke, 4 librams of hope !

For people that like a deck full of random cards, there are tavern brawls that do exactly that. I didn’t think Blizz would design it that way for the Standard environment, but they have.

Why are you accusing me, whom you know nothing about personally, as being a sore loser?

If Blizz wants to make Standard mode into Casino mode, that’s their prerogative. I just don’t think that is what most players are looking for when it comes to the standard environment. Also, Blizzard claimed they would be decreasing the randomness… and now they’ve done the exact opposite.

It is nice that you enjoy rolling the dice, spinning the wheel, playing the odds, whatever you want to call it. It seems like the current environment is exactly what you’re looking for. It is not what I and many other long-time players are looking for, AND it is not what Blizzard promised.

I played token decks and plenty of other decks too.. that was one example among many of the 100% random outcome that makes it “Casino Mage.” Sometimes, the mage player gets useless junk from the Deck of Lunatics and they get rolled over. One of the biggest complaints is that this takes all the strategy out of the game. One of the biggest parts of the strategy of the game is keeping track of what spells your opponent has, how many they have left, etc…. And also doing the same for your own deck. Try to kill the warlock before turn 8, did the priest play both Hysteria’s yet, etc… This is completely gone with Casino Mage. Neither person knows what is in the Mage deck once DoL goes off, but one thing you do know: whatever it is will be way cheaper than it normally would be.

For somebody that accuses others of arrogance, I recommend re-reading your own post in which you insult me for no reason other than I don’t like Blizzard’s design decisions with this set. I don’t know you and never accused you of doing anything one way or the other in this game, so I am not sure why you’ve decided to attack me personally. Nobody said “P4dge u are a bad person for playing casino mage.” We are upset at Blizzard for saying “we’re getting rid of rng” and totally lying about it. If you love casino mage, enjoy this meta. Just accept that for many people, it’s become about as entertaining as flipping a coin.

Deck of Lunacy is a blast to play, but is horrible to play against. If a Mage Play DoL at turn 2, you are doomed. This card needs a neft ASAP.

Mage hasn't been OP for a long time.

But I always hated them because in 7 years of Hearthstone and thousands of wins and losses as a player, I can count the number of games a Mage has interacted with me on one hand.

Their decks are either Aggro throw spell at face, or Combo draw cards until Exodia obliterates.

Every outcome is the same. They play with a playstyle that shows they don't want to be here.

If they don't want to be here, GTFO. Even Priests interact more.