Pop quiz! Which is the more plausible explanation:
There's this secret conspiracy in Blizzard to force everyone to win 50.0% of the time, all the time, in the competitive game they made, all the while rigging tournaments so it looks like skilled players are able to reach the top consistently, because... reasons.
A few people got unlucky and/or are suffering from confirmation or other sampling bias. (You never hear people complain that they teched against secret mage and then actually played against secret mage, and it's not because those people don't exist.)
Pop quiz? Which is the more plausible explanation:
1. Blizzard programs the game to drive player engagement and stimulate spending.
I decided to have fun with a secret mage player in wild ranked. So i put in every single anti secret card + heals. Only took 38 auto concedes to find a secret mage.
I don't understand which archetype were the other mages. 23% of your fights are against mages. Secret mage is practically the only archetype played.
I decided to have fun with a secret mage player in wild ranked. So i put in every single anti secret card + heals. Only took 38 auto concedes to find a secret mage.
I don't understand which archetype were the other mages. 23% of your fights are against mages. Secret mage is practically the only archetype played.
Its bullshit. Im on D5 and i have 27% of my games against secret mages. In total its 30% but 3% played Quest or OTK.
Also you claim to have seen 2 in 69 games. Its means with the percentage you have in your stats you met 14 mages, that werent secret mages.
I didnt meet 14 mages, that werent secret in maybe 2 months combined lol. I guess as your title says, there is really nothing to see here
I met a ton of mages as you can see. But they were highlander, otk, quest, elemental or odd mages.
Elemental or Odd..wow, didnt know these decks exist. As others mentioned, it is very well possible, that with conceding so much you just fall into a fun mmr pool :D
I just played 7/11 games against secret mages at Diamond 4. Its so fucked up. I usually dont whine, but this is just stupid & boring. I really hope the changes & expansion will shake up the decks. Cant remember when it was last time so bad. When we had the peak of Rez Priest at least it wasnt played so much, because it was slow...who knows :(
Pop quiz! Which is the more plausible explanation:
There's this secret conspiracy in Blizzard to force everyone to win 50.0% of the time, all the time, in the competitive game they made, all the while rigging tournaments so it looks like skilled players are able to reach the top consistently, because... reasons.
A few people got unlucky and/or are suffering from confirmation or other sampling bias. (You never hear people complain that they teched against secret mage and then actually played against secret mage, and it's not because those people don't exist.)
Pop quiz? Which is the more plausible explanation:
1. Blizzard programs the game to drive player engagement and stimulate spending.
2. Everything is completely random.
It's neither of those, you're giving a false dichotomy.
Of course they program the game to drive player engagement. That isn't anywhere near the same as forcing people to play the same decks repeatedly or manipulating RNG, because those things would LOWER player engagement and cause people to quit.
By your logic, Activision would have a system in Call of Duty where worse players have their bullets magically guided to the target so that they win more.
Pop quiz! Which is the more plausible explanation:
There's this secret conspiracy in Blizzard to force everyone to win 50.0% of the time, all the time, in the competitive game they made, all the while rigging tournaments so it looks like skilled players are able to reach the top consistently, because... reasons.
A few people got unlucky and/or are suffering from confirmation or other sampling bias. (You never hear people complain that they teched against secret mage and then actually played against secret mage, and it's not because those people don't exist.)
Pop quiz? Which is the more plausible explanation:
1. Blizzard programs the game to drive player engagement and stimulate spending.
2. Everything is completely random.
It's neither of those, you're giving a false dichotomy.
Of course they program the game to drive player engagement. That isn't anywhere near the same as forcing people to play the same decks repeatedly or manipulating RNG, because those things would LOWER player engagement and cause people to quit.
By your logic, Activision would have a system in Call of Duty where worse players have their bullets magically guided to the target so that they win more.
no but they likely have a queing system that sorts the players into lobbies by skill which is completely independent of any ranking system in order to drive player engagement which has the same result of punishing good players with tougher lobbies so the bad players can feel like they are good at the game.
and you calling out a false dichotomy is pretty funny since I responded to your own.
Pop quiz! Which is the more plausible explanation:
There's this secret conspiracy in Blizzard to force everyone to win 50.0% of the time, all the time, in the competitive game they made, all the while rigging tournaments so it looks like skilled players are able to reach the top consistently, because... reasons.
A few people got unlucky and/or are suffering from confirmation or other sampling bias. (You never hear people complain that they teched against secret mage and then actually played against secret mage, and it's not because those people don't exist.)
Pop quiz? Which is the more plausible explanation:
1. Blizzard programs the game to drive player engagement and stimulate spending.
2. Everything is completely random.
It's neither of those, you're giving a false dichotomy.
Of course they program the game to drive player engagement. That isn't anywhere near the same as forcing people to play the same decks repeatedly or manipulating RNG, because those things would LOWER player engagement and cause people to quit.
By your logic, Activision would have a system in Call of Duty where worse players have their bullets magically guided to the target so that they win more.
no but they likely have a queing system that sorts the players into lobbies by skill which is completely independent of any ranking system in order to drive player engagement which has the same result of punishing good players with tougher lobbies so the bad players can feel like they are good at the game.
and you calling out a false dichotomy is pretty funny since I responded to your own.
Pop quiz! Which is the more plausible explanation:
There's this secret conspiracy in Blizzard to force everyone to win 50.0% of the time, all the time, in the competitive game they made, all the while rigging tournaments so it looks like skilled players are able to reach the top consistently, because... reasons.
A few people got unlucky and/or are suffering from confirmation or other sampling bias. (You never hear people complain that they teched against secret mage and then actually played against secret mage, and it's not because those people don't exist.)
Pop quiz? Which is the more plausible explanation:
1. Blizzard programs the game to drive player engagement and stimulate spending.
2. Everything is completely random.
It's neither of those, you're giving a false dichotomy.
Of course they program the game to drive player engagement. That isn't anywhere near the same as forcing people to play the same decks repeatedly or manipulating RNG, because those things would LOWER player engagement and cause people to quit.
By your logic, Activision would have a system in Call of Duty where worse players have their bullets magically guided to the target so that they win more.
no but they likely have a queing system that sorts the players into lobbies by skill which is completely independent of any ranking system in order to drive player engagement which has the same result of punishing good players with tougher lobbies so the bad players can feel like they are good at the game.
and you calling out a false dichotomy is pretty funny since I responded to your own.
Yes this exists. It's called MMR. And yes, Blizzard does use mmr to match people. One reason they did this was to stop players from gatekeeping, like yourself. So, if you are playing a tier 1 deck, you are much more likely to play against another tier 1 deck than someone who is playing a tier 5 meme deck. The only way a secret tech deck would work is if you played a whole bunch of games with a tier 1 deck, then switched to your secret tech deck for a game or 2. Autoconceding a whole bunch did, indeed, tank your mmr, so you will stop facing secret mage for the most part. If you watch meme deck youtubers like Markmckz, you would see that they also play against other meme deckers with bad mmr. It's the way the legend ranking sysytem has always worked, but they switched to mmr for ladder around the time they switched to the "metals" ranking system instead of just rank numbers.
It seems it works as intended. 5 days ago i answerded this topic having the regular stats that i had for months. About 25 % secret mage, followed by Rez/Raza Priest and KB Rogue. These classes made 70% of my games. I guess my MMR was "ok" since i made it to legend 5 times in the last 6 months.
Since friday after i dropped once again to D5 from D3 because of bad luck of course...i just couldnt enjoy it and strted to play meme decks. I played about 50 games and lost about 35 of those. With a loss streak of maybe 10-15 in a row :D
And see now. Today i played decks i havent seen for months. Odd Mage, Even Mage, Kaleidosaur Paladin, Murloc Shaman. Totem Shaman etc.
Havent met a single Secret Mage, Rez/Raza Priest or KB/Odd Rogue today.
It seems it works as intended. 5 days ago i answerded this topic having the regular stats that i had for months. About 25 % secret mage, followed by Rez/Raza Priest and KB Rogue. These classes made 70% of my games. I guess my MMR was "ok" since i made it to legend 5 times in the last 6 months.
Since friday after i dropped once again to D5 from D3 because of bad luck of course...i just couldnt enjoy it and strted to play meme decks. I played about 50 games and lost about 35 of those. With a loss streak of maybe 10-15 in a row :D
And see now. Today i played decks i havent seen for months. Odd Mage, Even Mage, Kaleidosaur Paladin, Murloc Shaman. Totem Shaman etc.
Havent met a single Secret Mage, Rez/Raza Priest or KB/Odd Rogue today.
Yep. Win a lot, play other decks that win a lot. Lose a lot, play other decks that lose a lot.
Working as intended. The matchmaking algorithm looks at what cards you have in your deck and wont pair you against what you teched for.
The system is designed to keep you at 50% winrate, so you probably wont see any secret mages if you have anti secret tech cards in your deck.
If the system is designed to keep you at 50% win rate, why would it allow 38 concedes before putting in a favorable matchup?
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Pop quiz! Which is the more plausible explanation:
There's this secret conspiracy in Blizzard to force everyone to win 50.0% of the time, all the time, in the competitive game they made, all the while rigging tournaments so it looks like skilled players are able to reach the top consistently, because... reasons.
A few people got unlucky and/or are suffering from confirmation or other sampling bias. (You never hear people complain that they teched against secret mage and then actually played against secret mage, and it's not because those people don't exist.)
Pop quiz? Which is the more plausible explanation:
1. Blizzard programs the game to drive player engagement and stimulate spending.
2. Everything is completely random.
Given how easy it would be to prove that including specific cards influences the MM system, and given that no one has done it or even seriously attempted it in the 7 years this game has been out . . . I'd say it's likely the proof is not there.
That may be giving too much credit to the folks who claim rigging, but I'm trying to assume good faith on their part.
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Maybe just maybe the game is rigged and you deniers are blind
Ahh yes. The classic conspiracy theory argument. If you don’t believe in the conspiracy, you are blind. Great point.
How many times has evidence been shown over and over? And when it’s pointed out well where’s the evidence? Thus you are blind lol. Peak npc here
Never.
And to forestall the "it's evidence right here" BS . . . no, it's a fun anecdote that may or may not have a single shred of truth.
If I go and put the exact same deck together and queue into 3 secret mages in a row, these same folks would throw a screaming fit about anecdotal evidence, yet we are supposed to take this story as proof of . . .
oh wait, what are we proving, I forget? Is it that different card choices force you away from popular matchups, or is it some rigging to keep you at 50% win rate? This story could be taken as evidence of one, to the detriment of the other, however anecdotal. So which is it?
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That is not how the matchmaking system works at all lmao. That would be so much work for so little return
And it doesn't explain why I consistently sit at 70-ish% winrate on ladder
Pop quiz? Which is the more plausible explanation:
1. Blizzard programs the game to drive player engagement and stimulate spending.
2. Everything is completely random.
I don't understand which archetype were the other mages. 23% of your fights are against mages. Secret mage is practically the only archetype played.
you are making his point for him
Elemental or Odd..wow, didnt know these decks exist. As others mentioned, it is very well possible, that with conceding so much you just fall into a fun mmr pool :D
I just played 7/11 games against secret mages at Diamond 4. Its so fucked up. I usually dont whine, but this is just stupid & boring. I really hope the changes & expansion will shake up the decks. Cant remember when it was last time so bad. When we had the peak of Rez Priest at least it wasnt played so much, because it was slow...who knows :(
It's neither of those, you're giving a false dichotomy.
Of course they program the game to drive player engagement. That isn't anywhere near the same as forcing people to play the same decks repeatedly or manipulating RNG, because those things would LOWER player engagement and cause people to quit.
By your logic, Activision would have a system in Call of Duty where worse players have their bullets magically guided to the target so that they win more.
no but they likely have a queing system that sorts the players into lobbies by skill which is completely independent of any ranking system in order to drive player engagement which has the same result of punishing good players with tougher lobbies so the bad players can feel like they are good at the game.
and you calling out a false dichotomy is pretty funny since I responded to your own.
Honestly you tanked your mmr so hard that u aint facing players that lose too much
Simce secret mage is an auto pilot t1 deck its unlikely to face one with ur mmr so low
Wait, so all I have to do to stop matching up against secret mage every other game is add some tech cards and it'll match me against someone else?
Apparently, that's the way it works according to these folks. If only it was that easy
Yes this exists. It's called MMR. And yes, Blizzard does use mmr to match people. One reason they did this was to stop players from gatekeeping, like yourself. So, if you are playing a tier 1 deck, you are much more likely to play against another tier 1 deck than someone who is playing a tier 5 meme deck. The only way a secret tech deck would work is if you played a whole bunch of games with a tier 1 deck, then switched to your secret tech deck for a game or 2. Autoconceding a whole bunch did, indeed, tank your mmr, so you will stop facing secret mage for the most part. If you watch meme deck youtubers like Markmckz, you would see that they also play against other meme deckers with bad mmr. It's the way the legend ranking sysytem has always worked, but they switched to mmr for ladder around the time they switched to the "metals" ranking system instead of just rank numbers.
It seems it works as intended. 5 days ago i answerded this topic having the regular stats that i had for months. About 25 % secret mage, followed by Rez/Raza Priest and KB Rogue. These classes made 70% of my games. I guess my MMR was "ok" since i made it to legend 5 times in the last 6 months.
Since friday after i dropped once again to D5 from D3 because of bad luck of course...i just couldnt enjoy it and strted to play meme decks. I played about 50 games and lost about 35 of those. With a loss streak of maybe 10-15 in a row :D
And see now. Today i played decks i havent seen for months. Odd Mage, Even Mage, Kaleidosaur Paladin, Murloc Shaman. Totem Shaman etc.
Havent met a single Secret Mage, Rez/Raza Priest or KB/Odd Rogue today.
Yep. Win a lot, play other decks that win a lot. Lose a lot, play other decks that lose a lot.
Maybe just maybe the game is rigged and you deniers are blind
Ahh yes. The classic conspiracy theory argument. If you don’t believe in the conspiracy, you are blind. Great point.
If the system is designed to keep you at 50% win rate, why would it allow 38 concedes before putting in a favorable matchup?
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Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
Given how easy it would be to prove that including specific cards influences the MM system, and given that no one has done it or even seriously attempted it in the 7 years this game has been out . . . I'd say it's likely the proof is not there.
That may be giving too much credit to the folks who claim rigging, but I'm trying to assume good faith on their part.
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Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
How many times has evidence been shown over and over? And when it’s pointed out well where’s the evidence? Thus you are blind lol. Peak npc here
Never.
And to forestall the "it's evidence right here" BS . . . no, it's a fun anecdote that may or may not have a single shred of truth.
If I go and put the exact same deck together and queue into 3 secret mages in a row, these same folks would throw a screaming fit about anecdotal evidence, yet we are supposed to take this story as proof of . . .
oh wait, what are we proving, I forget? Is it that different card choices force you away from popular matchups, or is it some rigging to keep you at 50% win rate? This story could be taken as evidence of one, to the detriment of the other, however anecdotal. So which is it?
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Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
I think you need to learn what “evidence” is. Peak sheep here.