DISCLAIMER: I KNOW we're getting a dust refund, I KNOW we get the new ysera for free, I KNOW she'll very likely still be a good card, I am just unhappy about the way they handled the dream cards changes
I don't know about you but I hate the dream cards change,namely dream itself, for a very simple reason: I feel like that was an extremely unnecessary change. I agree that making her infinitely shadowstep herself is not good for the game (even though your turn would be "9 mana do nothing" ) and I can kind of see why they nerfed Nightmare and Awakens (although these were 2 good finishers) so I'm not upset about these ones BUT the Dream nerf is clunky, impractical and overkill, just keep it 0 mana and change the text to "return a Minion,exept Ysera, to its owner's hand" and...poof...not a problem anymore.
The only POTENTIAL problem would be in wild with shudderwok but still:
1) that combo would add 5 cards to your hand every time it's played....you would VERY likely run the risk of not getting dream because your hand is too full so I'm not even sure this would be a problem
2)even if their synergy were to end up breaking wild there are easy ways to nerf it like dream going to 2 mana or shudder going to 10 and dream going to 1 (both options with my suggested text change). And let's be real,aside from me (the only idiot playing a reno valuewok that summons only 1 shudder per game) no one would care about a 1 mana nerf on shudder.
As a sidenote IMO with decks like time warp mage,razanduin, shitfacetus, mill rogue and such being present it would be quite hypocritical to only nerf shuddersera
OG Ysera has always been one of my favourite cards...she's one of the first legendaries I ever crafted and I was super hyped to be able to play a version of her that kept the old ysera feel but got rid of the RNG AND was a stronger card overall but now.....I'm not even sure I'll try her out (if you counldn't tell my favourite dream card was dream..followed by awakens, then nighmare....)
One extra and unrelated thing:
when I did craft Ysera she was already quite bad, I started playing WAY later then when she was relevant but I was lowrank enough to be able to play her to some decent success...down there
I hope one day Oldsera gets her classic dream cards back. Dream has saved my butt at 0.
Looking forward to classic, maybe she’ll find a home there with her OG dream cards.
As for Ysera the Dreamer I think her changes are fine. Having guaranteed shadowstep in any class might limit some upcoming design space. I’m sure if she’s too weak they’ll adjust accordingly.
I’m also curious if the “except Ysera” is too clunky for them to want to deal with. Does that mean no sapping of your opponents’ old Ysera, Ysera the Dreamer, or Ysera Unleashed?
well considering Awakens doesn't hit your opponent's ysera it would make sense for the inteaction to be the same
on the neutral shadowstep...well I suppose double c'thun can be pretty brutal (which is another reason why I said...just bring it to 1 mana, or even 2, at least now it requires setup)
First off, we will not get a dust refund, as the whole core set will be given out for free for all players for the whole year.
Secondly, you need to analyze the situation in a different way. Tho the dream cards are nerfed, you no longer will have to rely on a RNG system. That, in all honesty, is a good price to pay for the nerfs. You know for granted that you will get 5 specific cards. You know for sure what resources you're gonna use. It would be broken not to readjust the dream cards that way. I think Ysera is in a much happier place now, and I can't complain about the changes on the dream cards, they're more than fair imo.
In practice it's a buff to Ysera for normal play. It might make ressurrect Priests sad but they have plenty of better options anyway, Ysera is at best very greedy filler in that deck.
First off, we will not get a dust refund, as the whole core set will be given out for free for all players for the whole year.
Secondly, you need to analyze the situation in a different way. Tho the dream cards are nerfed, you no longer will have to rely on a RNG system. That, in all honesty, is a good price to pay for the nerfs. You know for granted that you will get 5 specific cards. You know for sure what resources you're gonna use. It would be broken not to readjust the dream cards that way. I think Ysera is in a much happier place now, and I can't complain about the changes on the dream cards, they're more than fair imo.
Cheers
The dragon aspects are staying unchanged in the classic set. This is about the dream cards getting nerfed, and the new dream cards applying to old ysera.
Also, because of this, we are getting a bunch of dust for Ysera.
My apologies. I've read several times that because the core set will be given out for free, we wouldn't get any dust refunds, I didn't know about Ysera
Which kind of refund we are getting for Ysera? We are getting full dust back without disenchant like hall of fame?
Is it safe for crafting Golden Ysera if we don't have the non-golden Ysera?
I’d imagine it’s dust refund similar to what we just got with Alura. Refund for disenchant. But I’m not sure, normally we find out closer to the date before.
Which kind of refund we are getting for Ysera? We are getting full dust back without disenchant like hall of fame?
Is it safe for crafting Golden Ysera if we don't have the non-golden Ysera?
As it is a nerf and the HoF will be phased out, it is safe to assume it gets the "nerf" treatment: full refund for DE. DEing her is recommended, as she already sees very little play in Wild, and will be even weaker going forward.
If you craft her golden without having her before, you will earn dust if she gets the HOF treatment, but the most likely is a zero-sum deal where you only get to play with golden dream cards for a while
I believe it's been announced on Twitter that there will in fact (somewhat incredibly) be a dust refund for Ysera? Blizzard's inconsistency when it comes to handing out dust for some changes and not others with no semblance of continuity is remarkable, but hey... Blizzard. :-)
My apologies. I've read several times that because the core set will be given out for free, we wouldn't get any dust refunds, I didn't know about Ysera
To be clear - we are getting the dust refund because of the nerf to Old Ysera, not because she is rotating to the new Legacy set.
Which kind of refund we are getting for Ysera? We are getting full dust back without disenchant like hall of fame?
Is it safe for crafting Golden Ysera if we don't have the non-golden Ysera?
A refund as any other regular card getting a nerf. I guess the change will go through on march 23rd when the expansion and the core set drop so at that point you'll have 2 weeks to dust your Ysera for full value if you want to.
I believe it's been announced on Twitter that there will in fact (somewhat incredibly) be a dust refund for Ysera? Blizzard's inconsistency when it comes to handing out dust for some changes and not others with no semblance of continuity is remarkable, but hey... Blizzard. :-)
I don't see any inconsistency. They nerfed the cards generated by Ysera; the closest prior nerf that was similar that didn't give a refund is Thermaplugg with the leper gnome nerf, which was a long time ago now, and paradigms have changed. If the Wondrous wand reduced the cards to 1 mana, not 0, then I'd expect a Togwaggle refund, too.
To clarify - this is not for Ysera rotating. The refund is because the dream cards are getting changed, and most of those changes are nerfs.
I believe it's been announced on Twitter that there will in fact (somewhat incredibly) be a dust refund for Ysera? Blizzard's inconsistency when it comes to handing out dust for some changes and not others with no semblance of continuity is remarkable, but hey... Blizzard. :-)
I don't see any inconsistency. They nerfed the cards generated by Ysera; the closest prior nerf that was similar that didn't give a refund is Thermaplugg with the leper gnome nerf, which was a long time ago now, and paradigms have changed. If the Wondrous wand reduced the cards to 1 mana, not 0, then I'd expect a Togwaggle refund, too.
To clarify - this is not for Ysera rotating. The refund is because the dream cards are getting changed, and most of those changes are nerfs.
Yes, I am aware of the reason for the refund. The inconsistency is in the fact that some cards getting pseudo-nerfed get refunded, whereas others don't. And then there's art changes that have long been debated as nerfs to cards visually which also don't get refunded. So like I say, inconsistency = Blizzard. :-)
I wonder if Deathwing's nerf gets a refund too, actually. Original Deathwing was a core component of Maca'thun Warlock. By nerfing Deathwing, it also has a detrimental effect on Meca'thun meaning the card is not as strong. Since this is exactly the same effect as nerfing the Dream cards for Ysera (when ysera wasn't directly nerfed herself), we should expect a full refund for Meca'thun, otherwise inconsistency once again. I think we know whether that's going to happen or not. :-)
DISCLAIMER: I KNOW we're getting a dust refund, I KNOW we get the new ysera for free, I KNOW she'll very likely still be a good card, I am just unhappy about the way they handled the dream cards changes
I don't know about you but I hate the dream cards change,namely dream itself, for a very simple reason: I feel like that was an extremely unnecessary change. I agree that making her infinitely shadowstep herself is not good for the game (even though your turn would be "9 mana do nothing" ) and I can kind of see why they nerfed Nightmare and Awakens (although these were 2 good finishers) so I'm not upset about these ones BUT the Dream nerf is clunky, impractical and overkill, just keep it 0 mana and change the text to "return a Minion,exept Ysera, to its owner's hand" and...poof...not a problem anymore.
The only POTENTIAL problem would be in wild with shudderwok but still:
1) that combo would add 5 cards to your hand every time it's played....you would VERY likely run the risk of not getting dream because your hand is too full so I'm not even sure this would be a problem
2)even if their synergy were to end up breaking wild there are easy ways to nerf it like dream going to 2 mana or shudder going to 10 and dream going to 1 (both options with my suggested text change). And let's be real,aside from me (the only idiot playing a reno valuewok that summons only 1 shudder per game) no one would care about a 1 mana nerf on shudder.
As a sidenote IMO with decks like time warp mage,razanduin, shitfacetus, mill rogue and such being present it would be quite hypocritical to only nerf shuddersera
OG Ysera has always been one of my favourite cards...she's one of the first legendaries I ever crafted and I was super hyped to be able to play a version of her that kept the old ysera feel but got rid of the RNG AND was a stronger card overall but now.....I'm not even sure I'll try her out (if you counldn't tell my favourite dream card was dream..followed by awakens, then nighmare....)
One extra and unrelated thing:
when I did craft Ysera she was already quite bad, I started playing WAY later then when she was relevant but I was lowrank enough to be able to play her to some decent success...down there
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I hope one day Oldsera gets her classic dream cards back. Dream has saved my butt at 0.
Looking forward to classic, maybe she’ll find a home there with her OG dream cards.
As for Ysera the Dreamer I think her changes are fine. Having guaranteed shadowstep in any class might limit some upcoming design space. I’m sure if she’s too weak they’ll adjust accordingly.
I’m also curious if the “except Ysera” is too clunky for them to want to deal with. Does that mean no sapping of your opponents’ old Ysera, Ysera the Dreamer, or Ysera Unleashed?
I’m mostly joking but funny to think about.
well considering Awakens doesn't hit your opponent's ysera it would make sense for the inteaction to be the same
on the neutral shadowstep...well I suppose double c'thun can be pretty brutal (which is another reason why I said...just bring it to 1 mana, or even 2, at least now it requires setup)
Ok
You need to take some things into consideration:
First off, we will not get a dust refund, as the whole core set will be given out for free for all players for the whole year.
Secondly, you need to analyze the situation in a different way. Tho the dream cards are nerfed, you no longer will have to rely on a RNG system. That, in all honesty, is a good price to pay for the nerfs. You know for granted that you will get 5 specific cards. You know for sure what resources you're gonna use. It would be broken not to readjust the dream cards that way. I think Ysera is in a much happier place now, and I can't complain about the changes on the dream cards, they're more than fair imo.
Cheers
In practice it's a buff to Ysera for normal play. It might make ressurrect Priests sad but they have plenty of better options anyway, Ysera is at best very greedy filler in that deck.
Didn't see play before wont see play now after 1 month of a release and you wont get a dust refund
False, we do get a refund for old Ysera:
https://mobile.twitter.com/GW_Alec/status/1365329751993327623
see above
The dragon aspects are staying unchanged in the classic set. This is about the dream cards getting nerfed, and the new dream cards applying to old ysera.
Also, because of this, we are getting a bunch of dust for Ysera.
My apologies. I've read several times that because the core set will be given out for free, we wouldn't get any dust refunds, I didn't know about Ysera
Which kind of refund we are getting for Ysera? We are getting full dust back without disenchant like hall of fame?
Is it safe for crafting Golden Ysera if we don't have the non-golden Ysera?
I’d imagine it’s dust refund similar to what we just got with Alura. Refund for disenchant. But I’m not sure, normally we find out closer to the date before.
As it is a nerf and the HoF will be phased out, it is safe to assume it gets the "nerf" treatment: full refund for DE. DEing her is recommended, as she already sees very little play in Wild, and will be even weaker going forward.
If you craft her golden without having her before, you will earn dust if she gets the HOF treatment, but the most likely is a zero-sum deal where you only get to play with golden dream cards for a while
Editor of the Heartpwn Legendary Crafting Guide:
https://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/card-discussion/205920-legendary-tier-list-crafting-guide
I'm very happy about this change.
They nerf a bad card that hasn't been played in years and is rotating anyway, and we get a good card + 1600/3200/4800 dust in exchange.
I believe it's been announced on Twitter that there will in fact (somewhat incredibly) be a dust refund for Ysera?
Blizzard's inconsistency when it comes to handing out dust for some changes and not others with no semblance of continuity is remarkable, but hey... Blizzard. :-)
To be clear - we are getting the dust refund because of the nerf to Old Ysera, not because she is rotating to the new Legacy set.
A refund as any other regular card getting a nerf. I guess the change will go through on march 23rd when the expansion and the core set drop so at that point you'll have 2 weeks to dust your Ysera for full value if you want to.
I don't see any inconsistency. They nerfed the cards generated by Ysera; the closest prior nerf that was similar that didn't give a refund is Thermaplugg with the leper gnome nerf, which was a long time ago now, and paradigms have changed. If the Wondrous wand reduced the cards to 1 mana, not 0, then I'd expect a Togwaggle refund, too.
To clarify - this is not for Ysera rotating. The refund is because the dream cards are getting changed, and most of those changes are nerfs.
Yes, I am aware of the reason for the refund.
The inconsistency is in the fact that some cards getting pseudo-nerfed get refunded, whereas others don't. And then there's art changes that have long been debated as nerfs to cards visually which also don't get refunded.
So like I say, inconsistency = Blizzard. :-)
I wonder if Deathwing's nerf gets a refund too, actually.
Original Deathwing was a core component of Maca'thun Warlock. By nerfing Deathwing, it also has a detrimental effect on Meca'thun meaning the card is not as strong.
Since this is exactly the same effect as nerfing the Dream cards for Ysera (when ysera wasn't directly nerfed herself), we should expect a full refund for Meca'thun, otherwise inconsistency once again.
I think we know whether that's going to happen or not. :-)