If the dreams are being changed and, in my opinion at least, the better ones are getting nerfed, why nobody is talking about the proper dust compensation we should get if we own the old Ysera? Am i missing something?
The dreams are not the Ysera card itself, so even without the fact it is going to Wild, the card is not being "nerfed" as it remains the same cost, with the same stats and has the same effect.
You don't get dust refunds for cards that aren't creatable with dust.
Uhhhh yes you do. Remember when dragonqueen alexstraza was nerfed so that the cards she generated were worse and she couldn’t get herself? Oh yeah we still got a dust refund. Remember when yogg was changed so that when it killed itself the effect stopped? There was nowhere on the text which indicated that. Oh yeah, still got dust refund.
You literally just proved yourself wrong there. Twice. Lol well done!
Alextrasza’s effect was changed. So she was directly nerfed, not the cards she generated. Yogg wasnt even changed - the effect of spells that killed him wqs, and not only that, he doesnt even generate cards. He plays a number of random spells. It has literally no comparison value in this context. You’re just trying to come up with random cards that were neefed and hoping they might somehow prove your point. Hint: they dont.
Its almost like you’ve never even played these cards... lol
^^But Ysera’s effect has been changed, she now generates 4 entirely new cards (out of 5) lol.
What you’re claiming is the equivalent of something like Blizzard changing the card pool of Zephrys to just Basic cards and pretending it hasn’t been nerfed.
^^But Ysera’s effect has been changed, she now generates 4 entirely new cards (out of 5) lol.
What you’re claiming is the equivalent of something like Blizzard changing the card pool of Zephrys to just Basic cards and pretending it hasn’t been nerfed.
If the dreams are being changed and, in my opinion at least, the better ones are getting nerfed, why nobody is talking about the proper dust compensation we should get if we own the old Ysera? Am i missing something?
The dreams are not the Ysera card itself, so even without the fact it is going to Wild, the card is not being "nerfed" as it remains the same cost, with the same stats and has the same effect.
You don't get dust refunds for cards that aren't creatable with dust.
Uhhhh yes you do. Remember when dragonqueen alexstraza was nerfed so that the cards she generated were worse and she couldn’t get herself? Oh yeah we still got a dust refund. Remember when yogg was changed so that when it killed itself the effect stopped? There was nowhere on the text which indicated that. Oh yeah, still got dust refund.
You literally just proved yourself wrong there. Twice. Lol well done!
Alextrasza’s effect was changed. So she was directly nerfed, not the cards she generated. Yogg wasnt even changed - the effect of spells that killed him wqs, and not only that, he doesnt even generate cards. He plays a number of random spells. It has literally no comparison value in this context. You’re just trying to come up with random cards that were neefed and hoping they might somehow prove your point. Hint: they dont.
Its almost like you’ve never even played these cards... lol
do you hear yourself? Ysera’s effect was changed. The effect of the spells you get from ysera were changed. Your own words literally prove it’s the same.
Currently the only time I see Ysera is when new Ysera creates it in a Druid deck. So not sure how this is even going to impact much, but I don’t play much wild so maybe that’s where the impact lies.
^^But Ysera’s effect has been changed, she now generates 4 entirely new cards (out of 5) lol.
What you’re claiming is the equivalent of something like Blizzard changing the card pool of Zephrys to just Basic cards and pretending it hasn’t been nerfed.
If the dreams are being changed and, in my opinion at least, the better ones are getting nerfed, why nobody is talking about the proper dust compensation we should get if we own the old Ysera? Am i missing something?
The dreams are not the Ysera card itself, so even without the fact it is going to Wild, the card is not being "nerfed" as it remains the same cost, with the same stats and has the same effect.
You don't get dust refunds for cards that aren't creatable with dust.
Uhhhh yes you do. Remember when dragonqueen alexstraza was nerfed so that the cards she generated were worse and she couldn’t get herself? Oh yeah we still got a dust refund. Remember when yogg was changed so that when it killed itself the effect stopped? There was nowhere on the text which indicated that. Oh yeah, still got dust refund.
You literally just proved yourself wrong there. Twice. Lol well done!
Alextrasza’s effect was changed. So she was directly nerfed, not the cards she generated. Yogg wasnt even changed - the effect of spells that killed him wqs, and not only that, he doesnt even generate cards. He plays a number of random spells. It has literally no comparison value in this context. You’re just trying to come up with random cards that were neefed and hoping they might somehow prove your point. Hint: they dont.
Its almost like you’ve never even played these cards... lol
do you hear yourself? Ysera’s effect was changed. The effect of the spells you get from ysera were changed. Your own words literally prove it’s the same.
I have read the rest of the comments, I’m not sure what it is you are specifically wanting me to read again?
Ysera has been nerfed (considerably) and should be given a full dust refund.
Thing is we don't know if Old Ysera is getting said nerf....the existence of Classic mode really puts a hamper on that since its supposed to be pretty much EXACTLY AS IT WAS before the nerfs. The graphic of that shows they are revering Warsong Commander to the first nerf (since fully reverting her to the way she was originally would be a disaster in Classic..hell reverting her to THAT was might end up a disaster in wild). WIth that said that would show we aren't getting 2 different versions for each format ( A wild format version and a Classic format version)
secondly old ysera with the original dream cards is kinda meh while probably borderline unplayable with the new ones. It would be FEASABLE that old Ysera keeps the Old Dream cards and the new one gets the nerfed ones. Doesn't make much sense to have a separate Ysera for Classic mode and one for Wild.
You want dust refund for zephyrs if Tyrion gets nerfed? How come you didn't get dust refund for all the discover cards when they removed the class weighting in discover pools?
Just looking for ways to scam the system, huh? Ysera wasn't even playable, let alone in wild.
You want dust refund for zephyrs if Tyrion gets nerfed? How come you didn't get dust refund for all the discover cards when they removed the class weighting in discover pools?
Just looking for ways to scam the system, huh? Ysera wasn't even playable, let alone in wild.
^^But Ysera’s effect has been changed, she now generates 4 entirely new cards (out of 5) lol.
What you’re claiming is the equivalent of something like Blizzard changing the card pool of Zephrys to just Basic cards and pretending it hasn’t been nerfed.
If the dreams are being changed and, in my opinion at least, the better ones are getting nerfed, why nobody is talking about the proper dust compensation we should get if we own the old Ysera? Am i missing something?
The dreams are not the Ysera card itself, so even without the fact it is going to Wild, the card is not being "nerfed" as it remains the same cost, with the same stats and has the same effect.
You don't get dust refunds for cards that aren't creatable with dust.
Uhhhh yes you do. Remember when dragonqueen alexstraza was nerfed so that the cards she generated were worse and she couldn’t get herself? Oh yeah we still got a dust refund. Remember when yogg was changed so that when it killed itself the effect stopped? There was nowhere on the text which indicated that. Oh yeah, still got dust refund.
You literally just proved yourself wrong there. Twice. Lol well done!
Alextrasza’s effect was changed. So she was directly nerfed, not the cards she generated. Yogg wasnt even changed - the effect of spells that killed him wqs, and not only that, he doesnt even generate cards. He plays a number of random spells. It has literally no comparison value in this context. You’re just trying to come up with random cards that were neefed and hoping they might somehow prove your point. Hint: they dont.
Its almost like you’ve never even played these cards... lol
do you hear yourself? Ysera’s effect was changed. The effect of the spells you get from ysera were changed. Your own words literally prove it’s the same.
I have read the rest of the comments, I’m not sure what it is you are specifically wanting me to read again?
Ysera has been nerfed (considerably) and should be given a full dust refund.
I have read the rest of the comments, I’m not sure what it is you are specifically wanting me to read again?
Ysera has been nerfed (considerably) and should be given a full dust refund.
How can a card that remains the same be nerfed?
Well the unique card pool that Ysera generates from has been nerfed, so yes old Ysera has been nerfed. It's still less direct than if Tirion generated a 3/3 weapon, since the dream cards aren't explicitly described in Ysera's text. Could they use the laughing sister as an excuse to not give refunds? possibly. Did they actually say that there will be no nerf refund for old Ysera? No idea :)
You want dust refund for zephyrs if Tyrion gets nerfed? How come you didn't get dust refund for all the discover cards when they removed the class weighting in discover pools?
Just looking for ways to scam the system, huh? Ysera wasn't even playable, let alone in wild.
This. ^^
Oh you forgot to finish your sentence, I've got you.
This is a bad example and a worse argument. Ysera's only function is to create a singular dream card at the end of your turn, and changing her card pool because a new dragon is being printed is unnecessary. Zeph and discover cards pull from a wide pool that is not limited to the card itself, and it would be insane to refund every card that could discover that one card that has been nerfed.
A great example is Heistbaron Togwaggle. If one or all of the treasures increased by 1 mana, there is no doubt that they would be issuing a dust refund as that is a direct nerf. If either of Elise's maps (Elise the Trailblazer or Starseeker) went up 1 mana, we'd be getting refunded. Looking at any Choose One effect, if one of the options is worsened then it would be due for a refund. Ancient of Lore being an in-game example from the past.
While I'm sure many people want dust because they don't play wild, I think it's pretty easy to see that people are only calling for a dust refund if the card actually gets nerfed by having Ysera the Dreamer's card pool rather than her current one. And there are quite a few of us that don't want the card nerfed at all. Screw the dust, just let her keep her old dream cards. She's already pretty terrible and only viable in Oakheart/Dragonhatcher/Drakkari Enchanter, no need to make her worse.
This thread went off the rails because of the title as well as some people inside it. The whole thing is rather comical though because we haven't heard anything from the devs to confirm or deny that Ysera the Dreamer and "Old" Ysera will be using the same dream pool.
I think the easiest (and most likely) "solution" is simply making their pools separate. There's really no reason not to. I put solution in quotations because it's really just us that are assuming that they're going to use the same pool, and thus there might not have been an issue in the first place.
What I really don't understand though, is how people can't understand that [Old Ysera] + [New (mostly worse) dream cards] = nerf. Dust refund or not, it would be a nerf 100%. Consider the following cards getting changed in some way that worsens their abilities. Would you say they don't deserve a refund as well? — Branching Paths (Loot the Chest gives 4 armor instead of 6)
— Wondrous Wand via Heistbaron Toggwaggle (Cards drawn cost 1 instead of 0)
— Elise the Trailblazer (Un'Goro pack costs 3 instead of 2)
You want dust refund for zephyrs if Tyrion gets nerfed? How come you didn't get dust refund for all the discover cards when they removed the class weighting in discover pools?
Just looking for ways to scam the system, huh? Ysera wasn't even playable, let alone in wild.
This. ^^
Oh you forgot to finish your sentence, I've got you.
This is a brilliant example and a perfect argument. /mic
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^^But Ysera’s effect has been changed, she now generates 4 entirely new cards (out of 5) lol.
What you’re claiming is the equivalent of something like Blizzard changing the card pool of Zephrys to just Basic cards and pretending it hasn’t been nerfed.
If the dreams are being changed and, in my opinion at least, the better ones are getting nerfed, why nobody is talking about the proper dust compensation we should get if we own the old Ysera? Am i missing something?
The dreams are not the Ysera card itself, so even without the fact it is going to Wild, the card is not being "nerfed" as it remains the same cost, with the same stats and has the same effect.
You don't get dust refunds for cards that aren't creatable with dust.
Uhhhh yes you do. Remember when dragonqueen alexstraza was nerfed so that the cards she generated were worse and she couldn’t get herself? Oh yeah we still got a dust refund. Remember when yogg was changed so that when it killed itself the effect stopped? There was nowhere on the text which indicated that. Oh yeah, still got dust refund.
You literally just proved yourself wrong there. Twice. Lol well done!
Alextrasza’s effect was changed. So she was directly nerfed, not the cards she generated. Yogg wasnt even changed - the effect of spells that killed him wqs, and not only that, he doesnt even generate cards. He plays a number of random spells. It has literally no comparison value in this context. You’re just trying to come up with random cards that were neefed and hoping they might somehow prove your point. Hint: they dont.
Its almost like you’ve never even played these cards... lol
do you hear yourself? Ysera’s effect was changed. The effect of the spells you get from ysera were changed. Your own words literally prove it’s the same.
I have read the rest of the comments, I’m not sure what it is you are specifically wanting me to read again?
Ysera has been nerfed (considerably) and should be given a full dust refund.
How can a card that remains the same be nerfed?
To you and the other guys above, you don’t sound as clever as you think. The card’s text remains the same but the actual effect of the card has drastically changed (unless the dream cards are separate for both versions). The pointless semantics are irrelevant however as Blizzard can choose to give a dust refund for any card they please, even if it hasn’t been nerfed. It’s entirely at their discretion.
Zephrys will likely never be changed as it’s card pool changing in some way is to be expected, it isn’t a suprised that clasic and basic cards can change. It could still be looked at on a case by case basis however. If the card became unplayable due to it’s pool of cards being drastically changed in some way (lets just say a bulk of nerfs to key classic and basic cards which led to it being dropped from major decks that ran it) the Blizzard might decide to offer a dust refund. Unlikely, but like I’ve said it’s at their discretion.
To the creep suggesting this is ‘greed’, get a grip, what a weird, pathetic statement to make. People pay real world money to obtain cards and should be refunded in some way if the things they’ve payed money towards are suddenly made unplayable without warning.
To you and the other guys above, you don’t sound as clever as you think. The card’s text remains the same but the actual effect of the card has drastically changed (unless the dream cards are separate for both versions). The pointless semantics are irrelevant however as Blizzard can choose to give a dust refund for any card they please, even if it hasn’t been nerfed. It’s entirely at their discretion.
It's not about "sounding clever", it's about being factually correct. And in that regard Tommy (and others) are completely correct, regardless of whether people wish to believe it or not.
A card's text provides it's effect and abilities. If those remain unchanged, then the card remains unchanged. If the card's strength lies in the strength of other cards which it synergises with, then those cards are the problem, not the original card, and therefore it cannot be considered a "nerf" to that card specifically and therefore the expectation of compensation is based purely in entitlement and greed and not in the spirit of the game or even basic good faith.
But also, as you surmise in the second half of your paragraph, Blizzard have literally no obligation to provide dust rewards for any change to the cards and do so out of their own good faith. However such generosity then provokes the more selfish-minded of the community to expect this sort of hand out at ever given opportunity and (worse) it becomes a further sense of entitlement and self-service. You only have to look at the reaction of the vocal minority over the changes to the Tavern Pass and gold rewards etc. Even after it was proven that their complaints were factually incorrect. But that's obviously a different discussion that has been done to death by this point and not the focus of this thread... (well, not exactly)
To you and the other guys above, you don’t sound as clever as you think. The card’s text remains the same but the actual effect of the card has drastically changed (unless the dream cards are separate for both versions). The pointless semantics are irrelevant however as Blizzard can choose to give a dust refund for any card they please, even if it hasn’t been nerfed. It’s entirely at their discretion.
It's not about "sounding clever", it's about being factually correct. And in that regard Tommy (and others) are completely correct, regardless of whether people wish to believe it or not.
A card's text provides it's effect and abilities. If those remain unchanged, then the card remains unchanged. If the card's strength lies in the strength of other cards which it synergises with, then those cards are the problem, not the original card, and therefore it cannot be considered a "nerf" to that card specifically and therefore the expectation of compensation is based purely in entitlement and greed and not in the spirit of the game or even basic good faith.
But also, as you surmise in the second half of your paragraph, Blizzard have literally no obligation to provide dust rewards for any change to the cards and do so out of their own good faith. However such generosity then provokes the more selfish-minded of the community to expect this sort of hand out at ever given opportunity and (worse) it becomes a further sense of entitlement and self-service. You only have to look at the reaction of the vocal minority over the changes to the Tavern Pass and gold rewards etc. Even after it was proven that their complaints were factually incorrect. But that's obviously a different discussion that has been done to death by this point and not the focus of this thread... (well, not exactly)
But the Dream Cards are not random "other cards", they are literally Ysera's effect, specifically tied to her. As another user mentioned above, if the treasures Heistbaron Togwaggle can discover were drastically changed for the worse, it would definitely be a nerf, even if the treasures and their effects are not specifically stated in the card's textbox.
For the sake of brevity and aesthetics, some cards effects are implied and relies on the player's knowledge of them. What does it mean to "wish for the perfect card" - Zephrys the Great's card text? What if his effect was changed to him just adding a random card from classic or basic to you hand, without changing his card text? Or what if Animal Companion summoned either a 3/3 taunt, 3/2 charge or 2/3 give your minions +1 attack, wouldn't that be a nerf, even if the card text is not changed?
Anyway, to return to the main subject of the thread: Has it been confirmed that the Dream Card changes will also apply to old Ysera, or is that just speculation? Because I wouldn't be surprised if they just keep her as is. If the Dream Cards are changed though, then it would be a nerf, and a dust reward would be appropriate.
This thread is amazing. I don't know that I've ever seen an argument where both sides are quite this wrong.
Ysera doesn't need a dust refund. Yes, the card is getting worse, but that's only because you're getting a better version of the card for free, alongside the entire core set. Old Ysera is still a Wild playable card, you don't get refunds for cards rotating.
Yes, Ysera has gotten nerfed. The card is worse now. That is what a nerf is. The precedent is to get dust from nerfs, but that doesn't apply here for reasons said above. If the Animal Companions were changed and they now had the same stats as Demon Companions, Animal Companion would unambiguously be being nerfed. If there was a Bear Tamer card with Battlecry: Summon an Ironfur Grizzly and Ironfur Grizzly was changed to be a 0 mana 0/3 Beast with Taunt for whatever reason, Bear Tamer would've gotten nerfed. Stop being deliberately dense. You don't put Ysera in your deck as a 4/12 Dragon, you put it in your deck as a 4/12 Dragon that puts a powerful card in your hand, and the cards she puts in your hand are now worse.
You literally just proved yourself wrong there. Twice. Lol well done!
Alextrasza’s effect was changed. So she was directly nerfed, not the cards she generated.
Yogg wasnt even changed - the effect of spells that killed him wqs, and not only that, he doesnt even generate cards. He plays a number of random spells. It has literally no comparison value in this context. You’re just trying to come up with random cards that were neefed and hoping they might somehow prove your point.
Hint: they dont.
Its almost like you’ve never even played these cards... lol
Jesus Christ this thread
^^But Ysera’s effect has been changed, she now generates 4 entirely new cards (out of 5) lol.
What you’re claiming is the equivalent of something like Blizzard changing the card pool of Zephrys to just Basic cards and pretending it hasn’t been nerfed.
Can you read the rest of the comments please?
do you hear yourself? Ysera’s effect was changed. The effect of the spells you get from ysera were changed. Your own words literally prove it’s the same.
Currently the only time I see Ysera is when new Ysera creates it in a Druid deck. So not sure how this is even going to impact much, but I don’t play much wild so maybe that’s where the impact lies.
/facepalm
This thread.... lol
I have read the rest of the comments, I’m not sure what it is you are specifically wanting me to read again?
Ysera has been nerfed (considerably) and should be given a full dust refund.
Thing is we don't know if Old Ysera is getting said nerf....the existence of Classic mode really puts a hamper on that since its supposed to be pretty much EXACTLY AS IT WAS before the nerfs. The graphic of that shows they are revering Warsong Commander to the first nerf (since fully reverting her to the way she was originally would be a disaster in Classic..hell reverting her to THAT was might end up a disaster in wild). WIth that said that would show we aren't getting 2 different versions for each format ( A wild format version and a Classic format version)
secondly old ysera with the original dream cards is kinda meh while probably borderline unplayable with the new ones. It would be FEASABLE that old Ysera keeps the Old Dream cards and the new one gets the nerfed ones. Doesn't make much sense to have a separate Ysera for Classic mode and one for Wild.
This thread seems to be focused on insane greed.
You want dust refund for zephyrs if Tyrion gets nerfed? How come you didn't get dust refund for all the discover cards when they removed the class weighting in discover pools?
Just looking for ways to scam the system, huh? Ysera wasn't even playable, let alone in wild.
This. ^^
How can a card that remains the same be nerfed?
Sheman totem with Spell Damage removed. That nerf to spells that deal damage. I want dust refund!11!11!1!1!1!
Jk
Well the unique card pool that Ysera generates from has been nerfed, so yes old Ysera has been nerfed. It's still less direct than if Tirion generated a 3/3 weapon, since the dream cards aren't explicitly described in Ysera's text. Could they use the laughing sister as an excuse to not give refunds? possibly. Did they actually say that there will be no nerf refund for old Ysera? No idea :)
Oh you forgot to finish your sentence, I've got you.
This is a bad example and a worse argument. Ysera's only function is to create a singular dream card at the end of your turn, and changing her card pool because a new dragon is being printed is unnecessary. Zeph and discover cards pull from a wide pool that is not limited to the card itself, and it would be insane to refund every card that could discover that one card that has been nerfed.
A great example is Heistbaron Togwaggle. If one or all of the treasures increased by 1 mana, there is no doubt that they would be issuing a dust refund as that is a direct nerf. If either of Elise's maps (Elise the Trailblazer or Starseeker) went up 1 mana, we'd be getting refunded. Looking at any Choose One effect, if one of the options is worsened then it would be due for a refund. Ancient of Lore being an in-game example from the past.
While I'm sure many people want dust because they don't play wild, I think it's pretty easy to see that people are only calling for a dust refund if the card actually gets nerfed by having Ysera the Dreamer's card pool rather than her current one. And there are quite a few of us that don't want the card nerfed at all. Screw the dust, just let her keep her old dream cards. She's already pretty terrible and only viable in Oakheart/Dragonhatcher/Drakkari Enchanter, no need to make her worse.
This thread went off the rails because of the title as well as some people inside it. The whole thing is rather comical though because we haven't heard anything from the devs to confirm or deny that Ysera the Dreamer and "Old" Ysera will be using the same dream pool.
I think the easiest (and most likely) "solution" is simply making their pools separate. There's really no reason not to.
I put solution in quotations because it's really just us that are assuming that they're going to use the same pool, and thus there might not have been an issue in the first place.
What I really don't understand though, is how people can't understand that [Old Ysera] + [New (mostly worse) dream cards] = nerf.
Dust refund or not, it would be a nerf 100%.
Consider the following cards getting changed in some way that worsens their abilities. Would you say they don't deserve a refund as well?
— Branching Paths (Loot the Chest gives 4 armor instead of 6)
— Wondrous Wand via Heistbaron Toggwaggle (Cards drawn cost 1 instead of 0)
— Elise the Trailblazer (Un'Goro pack costs 3 instead of 2)
Oh, we're doing stale forum responses? I got yoo, fam!
Fixed it for ya!
To you and the other guys above, you don’t sound as clever as you think. The card’s text remains the same but the actual effect of the card has drastically changed (unless the dream cards are separate for both versions). The pointless semantics are irrelevant however as Blizzard can choose to give a dust refund for any card they please, even if it hasn’t been nerfed. It’s entirely at their discretion.
Zephrys will likely never be changed as it’s card pool changing in some way is to be expected, it isn’t a suprised that clasic and basic cards can change. It could still be looked at on a case by case basis however. If the card became unplayable due to it’s pool of cards being drastically changed in some way (lets just say a bulk of nerfs to key classic and basic cards which led to it being dropped from major decks that ran it) the Blizzard might decide to offer a dust refund. Unlikely, but like I’ve said it’s at their discretion.
To the creep suggesting this is ‘greed’, get a grip, what a weird, pathetic statement to make. People pay real world money to obtain cards and should be refunded in some way if the things they’ve payed money towards are suddenly made unplayable without warning.
It's not about "sounding clever", it's about being factually correct. And in that regard Tommy (and others) are completely correct, regardless of whether people wish to believe it or not.
A card's text provides it's effect and abilities. If those remain unchanged, then the card remains unchanged. If the card's strength lies in the strength of other cards which it synergises with, then those cards are the problem, not the original card, and therefore it cannot be considered a "nerf" to that card specifically and therefore the expectation of compensation is based purely in entitlement and greed and not in the spirit of the game or even basic good faith.
But also, as you surmise in the second half of your paragraph, Blizzard have literally no obligation to provide dust rewards for any change to the cards and do so out of their own good faith. However such generosity then provokes the more selfish-minded of the community to expect this sort of hand out at ever given opportunity and (worse) it becomes a further sense of entitlement and self-service.
You only have to look at the reaction of the vocal minority over the changes to the Tavern Pass and gold rewards etc.
Even after it was proven that their complaints were factually incorrect.
But that's obviously a different discussion that has been done to death by this point and not the focus of this thread... (well, not exactly)
But the Dream Cards are not random "other cards", they are literally Ysera's effect, specifically tied to her. As another user mentioned above, if the treasures Heistbaron Togwaggle can discover were drastically changed for the worse, it would definitely be a nerf, even if the treasures and their effects are not specifically stated in the card's textbox.
For the sake of brevity and aesthetics, some cards effects are implied and relies on the player's knowledge of them. What does it mean to "wish for the perfect card" - Zephrys the Great's card text? What if his effect was changed to him just adding a random card from classic or basic to you hand, without changing his card text? Or what if Animal Companion summoned either a 3/3 taunt, 3/2 charge or 2/3 give your minions +1 attack, wouldn't that be a nerf, even if the card text is not changed?
Anyway, to return to the main subject of the thread: Has it been confirmed that the Dream Card changes will also apply to old Ysera, or is that just speculation? Because I wouldn't be surprised if they just keep her as is. If the Dream Cards are changed though, then it would be a nerf, and a dust reward would be appropriate.
This thread is amazing. I don't know that I've ever seen an argument where both sides are quite this wrong.
Ysera doesn't need a dust refund. Yes, the card is getting worse, but that's only because you're getting a better version of the card for free, alongside the entire core set. Old Ysera is still a Wild playable card, you don't get refunds for cards rotating.
Yes, Ysera has gotten nerfed. The card is worse now. That is what a nerf is. The precedent is to get dust from nerfs, but that doesn't apply here for reasons said above. If the Animal Companions were changed and they now had the same stats as Demon Companions, Animal Companion would unambiguously be being nerfed. If there was a Bear Tamer card with Battlecry: Summon an Ironfur Grizzly and Ironfur Grizzly was changed to be a 0 mana 0/3 Beast with Taunt for whatever reason, Bear Tamer would've gotten nerfed. Stop being deliberately dense. You don't put Ysera in your deck as a 4/12 Dragon, you put it in your deck as a 4/12 Dragon that puts a powerful card in your hand, and the cards she puts in your hand are now worse.