If the dreams are being changed and, in my opinion at least, the better ones are getting nerfed, why nobody is talking about the proper dust compensation we should get if we own the old Ysera? Am i missing something?
Wait removing the RNG so I can be sure im not getting just a useless creature to my hand then ysera go's byebye this is far better anything that adds less RNG is a bonus
Wait removing the RNG so I can be sure im not getting just a useless creature to my hand then ysera go's byebye this is far better anything that adds less RNG is a bonus
Did you miss the point of this post? The dreams got nerfed. Ysera awakens up to 3 mana, dream up to 1 mana, nightmare now just +4/4.
Wait removing the RNG so I can be sure im not getting just a useless creature to my hand then ysera go's byebye this is far better anything that adds less RNG is a bonus
Did you miss the point of this post? The dreams got nerfed. Ysera awakens up to 3 mana, dream up to 1 mana, nightmare now just +4/4.
..oh if thats the case its mostly fine then.
No one plays Ysera normally and they are still massviely good just a little less good
Ohh okay so the only worthy change is that I cant get the Sister 4 turns a row so a buff overall sweet this is a buff RNG removal for slightly worse dream cards and I mean very very slightly worse on top of the fact the whole pull is available with out waiting times between each resource.
Ohh okay so the only worthy change is that I cant get the Sister 4 turns a row so a buff overall sweet this is a buff RNG removal for slightly worse dream cards and I mean very very slightly worse on top of the fact the whole pull is available with out waiting times between each resource.
Well yeah at 10 mana you can still play dream and nightmare the turn you play her...the 3 mana prevents druids and mages from playing Ysera then Ysera Awakens on the same turn (though Rogues with prep still can)
If the dreams are being changed and, in my opinion at least, the better ones are getting nerfed, why nobody is talking about the proper dust compensation we should get if we own the old Ysera? Am i missing something?
Because old Ysera will be available at other modes except standard, but I have the doubt if old Ysera dreams will also be nerfed or kept, in case of nerf I agree that there must be refund, otherwise no refund needed
Awaken only hits minions now as well. I get that they don't want the 10 dmg to face, but maybe just change one thing on the card... Overall still decent changes, but a bit overcautious IMO.
A lot of people in this thread don't seem to understand OP's initial complaint, or even understand what's going on, so allow me to explain.
Firstly, the old Ysera is not being removed from the game, or buffed into the new Ysera, it is being moved to the legacy set. The new Ysera card is a completely new card.
Dream now costs 1, and can only target enemy minions, Nightmare now gives +4/+4 instead of +5/+5, Ysera Awakens now costs 3, and only affects minions, Laughing Sister now costs 2, and Emerald Drake is unchanged.
3 of these 4 changes are very clearly nerfs, making the original Ysera much worse than before, which should be considered a nerf to Ysera.
It does not matter that this Ysera is rotating to Wild, it is still a nerf, and players who own Ysera should be able to disenchant it for full dust value.
I feel like some people didnt understand the point here so I'm gonna drop this here:
and I think OP has a point. if the dream cards will be changed (mostly nerfs imo) and that changes will also apply to the old Ysera which will be playable in wild, as well; I think that card would clearly deserve a dust refund.
Old Ysera: Turn 10 play Ysera, get one card (you might or might not need) and waste 1 mana. Turn 11: play that one card or something else or whatever, I guess?!
New Ysera: Turn 10: play Ysera, get 5 cards and Dream an opponent's minion. Turn 11: play either of the 4 cards your Ysera immediately created (e.g. Emerald Drake and Sister to get more minions on the board, or even Awakens first to clear stuff)
Sure, you can't cheat out Ysera (or it makes not much sense), but this is a buff. Also, if they ever print another "double your battlecry" card for standard, you can draw up to 10 cards with 1 Ysera...immediately!
If the dreams are being changed and, in my opinion at least, the better ones are getting nerfed, why nobody is talking about the proper dust compensation we should get if we own the old Ysera? Am i missing something?
Old Ysera isn't going away, it's being rotated to wild.
Tthey will just say old ysera is part of the classic rollover so no dice on dust.
Wait removing the RNG so I can be sure im not getting just a useless creature to my hand then ysera go's byebye this is far better anything that adds less RNG is a bonus
I don’t get why they don’t just give new Y’sera new dream cards and let old Y’sera be the same. Am I missing something?
...ummm this is a buff
With the old ysera you might get her for what 2 turns at most and all youll get out of her is that lovely sound of "is there trouble?"
At least with this one you're guarenteed the good dreams before she dies
Did you miss the point of this post? The dreams got nerfed. Ysera awakens up to 3 mana, dream up to 1 mana, nightmare now just +4/4.
..oh if thats the case its mostly fine then.
No one plays Ysera normally and they are still massviely good just a little less good
Ohh okay so the only worthy change is that I cant get the Sister 4 turns a row so a buff overall sweet this is a buff RNG removal for slightly worse dream cards and I mean very very slightly worse on top of the fact the whole pull is available with out waiting times between each resource.
Well yeah at 10 mana you can still play dream and nightmare the turn you play her...the 3 mana prevents druids and mages from playing Ysera then Ysera Awakens on the same turn (though Rogues with prep still can)
Because old Ysera will be available at other modes except standard, but I have the doubt if old Ysera dreams will also be nerfed or kept, in case of nerf I agree that there must be refund, otherwise no refund needed
They also made it so you can’t “dream” your own minion back to your hand, so no infinite ysera value
Is that a problem?
New one will be better. You for sure get all the cards. The old one has value of being cheated out, but still.
Awaken only hits minions now as well. I get that they don't want the 10 dmg to face, but maybe just change one thing on the card... Overall still decent changes, but a bit overcautious IMO.
A lot of people in this thread don't seem to understand OP's initial complaint, or even understand what's going on, so allow me to explain.
Firstly, the old Ysera is not being removed from the game, or buffed into the new Ysera, it is being moved to the legacy set. The new Ysera card is a completely new card.
Both Ysera's use the same Dream cards: Dream, Nightmare, Ysera Awakens, Laughing Sister, and Emerald Drake. Most of these Dream cards are being altered.
Dream now costs 1, and can only target enemy minions, Nightmare now gives +4/+4 instead of +5/+5, Ysera Awakens now costs 3, and only affects minions, Laughing Sister now costs 2, and Emerald Drake is unchanged.
3 of these 4 changes are very clearly nerfs, making the original Ysera much worse than before, which should be considered a nerf to Ysera.
It does not matter that this Ysera is rotating to Wild, it is still a nerf, and players who own Ysera should be able to disenchant it for full dust value.
I feel like some people didnt understand the point here so I'm gonna drop this here:
and I think OP has a point. if the dream cards will be changed (mostly nerfs imo) and that changes will also apply to the old Ysera which will be playable in wild, as well; I think that card would clearly deserve a dust refund.
10 mana to drop that body and send a minion back to your opponents hand, guaranteed, is pretty decent. I'd say that is a buff.
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Old Ysera: Turn 10 play Ysera, get one card (you might or might not need) and waste 1 mana. Turn 11: play that one card or something else or whatever, I guess?!
New Ysera: Turn 10: play Ysera, get 5 cards and Dream an opponent's minion. Turn 11: play either of the 4 cards your Ysera immediately created (e.g. Emerald Drake and Sister to get more minions on the board, or even Awakens first to clear stuff)
Sure, you can't cheat out Ysera (or it makes not much sense), but this is a buff. Also, if they ever print another "double your battlecry" card for standard, you can draw up to 10 cards with 1 Ysera...immediately!
It's more of a buff than nerf