Reminds me of the time when [cad]purify[/card] was released and priest was the worst class in the meta and Ben Brode told us all that there is actually a mythical "univorn priest" that would do great in that current meta.
Unfortunately, unicorns do not exist. We never figured out any such priest, and Ben never told us. Because he didn't have any idea what it could be either.
It is in fact possible for the meta to be unbalanced.
Reminds me of the time when [cad]purify[/card] was released and priest was the worst class in the meta and Ben Brode told us all that there is actually a mythical "univorn priest" that would do great in that current meta.
Unfortunately, unicorns do not exist. We never figured out any such priest, and Ben never told us. Because he didn't have any idea what it could be either.
It is in fact possible for the meta to be unbalanced.
On the bright side: we had a week where people played priests instead of shamans. It was a nice change.
I build a nice 100% untypical priest deck no one had on their radar. And it worked fine. Even DH struggled. But then the matchmaker learned and i got matched against cheating druids over and over, making my deck useless, so i had to revert back to my good old Priest everyone hates. They DONT want us to play creative decks.
I build a nice 100% untypical priest deck no one had on their radar. And it worked fine. Even DH struggled. But then the matchmaker learned and i got matched against cheating druids over and over, making my deck useless, so i had to revert back to my good old Priest everyone hates. They DONT want us to play creative decks.
‘Creative’ decks use cards that aren’t as powerful and thus are less common for someone to keep in their collection which means that if someone wanted to make them, they’d need dust to craft the cards for them, so I imagine Blizzard was happy you were playing a creative deck and in reality, the deck just wasn’t as good as your initial win rate had you believe.
I build a nice 100% untypical priest deck no one had on their radar. And it worked fine. Even DH struggled. But then the matchmaker learned and i got matched against cheating druids over and over, making my deck useless, so i had to revert back to my good old Priest everyone hates. They DONT want us to play creative decks.
‘Creative’ decks use cards that aren’t as powerful and thus are less common for someone to keep in their collection which means that if someone wanted to make them, they’d need dust to craft the cards for them, so I imagine Blizzard was happy you were playing a creative deck and in reality, the deck just wasn’t as good as your initial win rate had you believe.
so much this
Mr Mulluk, most likely was matched initially with someone of lower MMR like himself if he was goofing around with custom made decks(just an assumption, but highly probable one) and once the deck won a few games his MMR shot up a bit and he got matched with more meta deck which proved to be an actual killer for his deck
I find it kinda amazing how people defy the actual science behind the matchmaking and MMR and quickly just jump to conclusion of "I won first few games then my deck is good and game didn't like it so it matched me with counter decks to make me lose" :facepalm:
I'm not really sure who in their right mind would program their game to intentionally make players lose their games, the game is supposed to be fun and enjoyable, and people in general like winning, that's what keeps them coming back to the experience
Yeah, i am the kind of player who only play my own homebrew fun decks in Ranked, but i do realize i am severly handicapping myself, and when i loose, its because of the tempo disadvantage/power level of the deck. I usually stop at Rank 5 Diamond, since i know without win streaks, there are too many bad matchups to reach Legend. Something funny happened though in the November season, i went on a wave of extremly lucky matchups. Only met Rez priest, Raza Priest, Odd warrior and Big Druid in all my matches, and went on a insane win streak from D5 to D1. So the game is def not rigged.
I build a nice 100% untypical priest deck no one had on their radar. And it worked fine. Even DH struggled. But then the matchmaker learned and i got matched against cheating druids over and over, making my deck useless, so i had to revert back to my good old Priest everyone hates. They DONT want us to play creative decks.
‘Creative’ decks use cards that aren’t as powerful and thus are less common for someone to keep in their collection which means that if someone wanted to make them, they’d need dust to craft the cards for them, so I imagine Blizzard was happy you were playing a creative deck and in reality, the deck just wasn’t as good as your initial win rate had you believe.
so much this
Mr Mulluk, most likely was matched initially with someone of lower MMR like himself if he was goofing around with custom made decks(just an assumption, but highly probable one) and once the deck won a few games his MMR shot up a bit and he got matched with more meta deck which proved to be an actual killer for his deck
I find it kinda amazing how people defy the actual science behind the matchmaking and MMR and quickly just jump to conclusion of "I won first few games then my deck is good and game didn't like it so it matched me with counter decks to make me lose" :facepalm:
I'm not really sure who in their right mind would program their game to intentionally make players lose their games, the game is supposed to be fun and enjoyable, and people in general like winning, that's what keeps them coming back to the experience
Discussing with biased people like you is useless, so i wont go into much detail, but i get matched against all the meta decks on a regular basis. And i won against those meta decks with this new deck, like i won against them with my other selfmade decks. I dont play copy and paste decks. The only time i play one is to "learn" my enemy. Never for laddering. Thus sad, like the matchmaker kicks in if you won too often, it kicked in this time too. 9 wins out of 10. But this time, the matchmaker went havoc, since there is no real counterdeck to my own deck, so i got matched against those cheating druids over and over. Like i said, it has no use to discuss with people like you. In your small fanboi world meta is everything and selfmade decks are "inferior". But guess what, someone created meta decks too. Be happy in your manipulated world.
I build a nice 100% untypical priest deck no one had on their radar. And it worked fine. Even DH struggled. But then the matchmaker learned and i got matched against cheating druids over and over, making my deck useless, so i had to revert back to my good old Priest everyone hates. They DONT want us to play creative decks.
‘Creative’ decks use cards that aren’t as powerful and thus are less common for someone to keep in their collection which means that if someone wanted to make them, they’d need dust to craft the cards for them, so I imagine Blizzard was happy you were playing a creative deck and in reality, the deck just wasn’t as good as your initial win rate had you believe.
so much this
Mr Mulluk, most likely was matched initially with someone of lower MMR like himself if he was goofing around with custom made decks(just an assumption, but highly probable one) and once the deck won a few games his MMR shot up a bit and he got matched with more meta deck which proved to be an actual killer for his deck
I find it kinda amazing how people defy the actual science behind the matchmaking and MMR and quickly just jump to conclusion of "I won first few games then my deck is good and game didn't like it so it matched me with counter decks to make me lose" :facepalm:
I'm not really sure who in their right mind would program their game to intentionally make players lose their games, the game is supposed to be fun and enjoyable, and people in general like winning, that's what keeps them coming back to the experience
Discussing with biased people like you is useless, so i wont go into much detail, but i get matched against all the meta decks on a regular basis. And i won against those meta decks with this new deck, like i won against them with my other selfmade decks. I dont play copy and paste decks. The only time i play one is to "learn" my enemy. Never for laddering. Thus sad, like the matchmaker kicks in if you won too often, it kicked in this time too. 9 wins out of 10. But this time, the matchmaker went havoc, since there is no real counterdeck to my own deck, so i got matched against those cheating druids over and over. Like i said, it has no use to discuss with people like you. In your small fanboi world meta is everything and selfmade decks are "inferior". But guess what, someone created meta decks too. Be happy in your manipulated world.
Its likely that the issue wasn't the decks you were facing but the caliber of player. If you win a bunch of games, your match maker rating will increase, and you will be pitted against players of a similar rating. The more successful you are, the better your opponents become. Bare in mind an idiot wielding a tier 1 deck is still an idiot. Decks can't beat you by themselves, and once you start facing better players, your win rate will naturally decrease because your opponents will make more correct decisions, leading to more defeats for you largely irrespective of the decks they are playing.
The matchmaker manipulation theory is 100% confirmation bias. You absolutely couldn't get away with that kind of algorithm going undetected when hundreds of thousands of people tune into Hearthstone streams daily watch people grind ladder for hours at a time.
Regardless of this sidetracked match making discussion there can and have been late breaking decks to a meta. A card that no one realized the power level of etc. For example the different priest inner fire decks. Usually 'hidden' decks occur in a class that hasn't been running that type of deck. For example suddenly a new mid range or aggro deck or a non obvious combo deck.
Nah there is no sleeper decks right now decks that can counter dh effectively are getting wrecked by many other decks that is why there is no counter right now.
I build a nice 100% untypical priest deck no one had on their radar. And it worked fine. Even DH struggled. But then the matchmaker learned and i got matched against cheating druids over and over, making my deck useless, so i had to revert back to my good old Priest everyone hates. They DONT want us to play creative decks.
How were the druids cheating? And how is it possible you couldn't refine your priest deck to improve your druid match up? Clown druids get absolutely destroyed by a single plague of death tech.
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Like in the title.
Mb Hunter and Demon Hunter aren't most OP classes in the game, but we don't know how to counter them?
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That's true. I for example have a 100% winrate against DH with my anti-DH DH deck.
The game is simple enough that any competent player can generally see the possibilities.
Reminds me of the time when [cad]purify[/card] was released and priest was the worst class in the meta and Ben Brode told us all that there is actually a mythical "univorn priest" that would do great in that current meta.
Unfortunately, unicorns do not exist. We never figured out any such priest, and Ben never told us. Because he didn't have any idea what it could be either.
It is in fact possible for the meta to be unbalanced.
The meta changes so fast I actually think there probably are a few sleeper decks that havent been refined.
A debt of gratitude is in order for the update and speedy answer MyBalanceNow.
On the bright side: we had a week where people played priests instead of shamans. It was a nice change.
I build a nice 100% untypical priest deck no one had on their radar. And it worked fine. Even DH struggled. But then the matchmaker learned and i got matched against cheating druids over and over, making my deck useless, so i had to revert back to my good old Priest everyone hates. They DONT want us to play creative decks.
‘Creative’ decks use cards that aren’t as powerful and thus are less common for someone to keep in their collection which means that if someone wanted to make them, they’d need dust to craft the cards for them, so I imagine Blizzard was happy you were playing a creative deck and in reality, the deck just wasn’t as good as your initial win rate had you believe.
so much this
Mr Mulluk, most likely was matched initially with someone of lower MMR like himself if he was goofing around with custom made decks(just an assumption, but highly probable one) and once the deck won a few games his MMR shot up a bit and he got matched with more meta deck which proved to be an actual killer for his deck
I find it kinda amazing how people defy the actual science behind the matchmaking and MMR and quickly just jump to conclusion of "I won first few games then my deck is good and game didn't like it so it matched me with counter decks to make me lose" :facepalm:
I'm not really sure who in their right mind would program their game to intentionally make players lose their games, the game is supposed to be fun and enjoyable, and people in general like winning, that's what keeps them coming back to the experience
There is a token dh deck which I take to mid legends every expansion... No one seems to play it. Destroys other dh.
the balance is in the dust guys, the more dust you spend the more balance you will find
Yeah, i am the kind of player who only play my own homebrew fun decks in Ranked, but i do realize i am severly handicapping myself, and when i loose, its because of the tempo disadvantage/power level of the deck. I usually stop at Rank 5 Diamond, since i know without win streaks, there are too many bad matchups to reach Legend. Something funny happened though in the November season, i went on a wave of extremly lucky matchups. Only met Rez priest, Raza Priest, Odd warrior and Big Druid in all my matches, and went on a insane win streak from D5 to D1. So the game is def not rigged.
The "Kappa" tells me this is nothing more than a troll thread.
Discussing with biased people like you is useless, so i wont go into much detail, but i get matched against all the meta decks on a regular basis. And i won against those meta decks with this new deck, like i won against them with my other selfmade decks. I dont play copy and paste decks. The only time i play one is to "learn" my enemy. Never for laddering. Thus sad, like the matchmaker kicks in if you won too often, it kicked in this time too. 9 wins out of 10. But this time, the matchmaker went havoc, since there is no real counterdeck to my own deck, so i got matched against those cheating druids over and over. Like i said, it has no use to discuss with people like you. In your small fanboi world meta is everything and selfmade decks are "inferior". But guess what, someone created meta decks too. Be happy in your manipulated world.
Its likely that the issue wasn't the decks you were facing but the caliber of player. If you win a bunch of games, your match maker rating will increase, and you will be pitted against players of a similar rating. The more successful you are, the better your opponents become. Bare in mind an idiot wielding a tier 1 deck is still an idiot. Decks can't beat you by themselves, and once you start facing better players, your win rate will naturally decrease because your opponents will make more correct decisions, leading to more defeats for you largely irrespective of the decks they are playing.
The matchmaker manipulation theory is 100% confirmation bias. You absolutely couldn't get away with that kind of algorithm going undetected when hundreds of thousands of people tune into Hearthstone streams daily watch people grind ladder for hours at a time.
Regardless of this sidetracked match making discussion there can and have been late breaking decks to a meta. A card that no one realized the power level of etc. For example the different priest inner fire decks. Usually 'hidden' decks occur in a class that hasn't been running that type of deck. For example suddenly a new mid range or aggro deck or a non obvious combo deck.
Nah there is no sleeper decks right now decks that can counter dh effectively are getting wrecked by many other decks that is why there is no counter right now.
How were the druids cheating? And how is it possible you couldn't refine your priest deck to improve your druid match up? Clown druids get absolutely destroyed by a single plague of death tech.