Hearthpwn

I don't usually dogpile, but thanks P4dge.  I was beginning to think I had taken crazy pills.  And God knows, I don't need to be taking pills.

You're correct, I thought it was relevant to what I was talking about.  Not to the red herring you'd like to talk about.

People who spend 1-10$ on a new expansion actually contribute 1-10$ on it. Not " nothing". The matrix has you. 

Sorry for the double post, but just for a second, I have to take this in a slightly different direction.

Don't do drugs, folks.  In addition to immeasurable lost money, both in the amount spent on the actual stuff and literal MILLIONS of dollars in lost salary from the jobs I would have had without a felony on my record, that lifestyle results in severe unpleasantness on every level imaginable.

I've had 3 people OD and die on me, including two right in front of my face and one that lasted 25 minutes with me breathing for her before I passed out from hyperventilation and she died.  Fun fact, Narcan doesn't work as well or as consistently as they show on the hospital procedurals.

I'm fully aware of the horror show that is physical withdrawals from opiates, but trust me, just do it and get on with life.

Here ends the PSA.  We now return to your regularly-scheduled bickering about a card game.

 you keep bringing up heroin, I thought that you thought it was relevant to the discussion. 

It is relevant to the discussion because when people start throwing around the word "addicted" too frequently it is worth taking a moment to realise there is a difference between physically addictive and psychologically addictive.  And while Hearthstone can be psychologically addictive, so can literally anything that is pleasurable. - food, sex, shopping, sport, even working out at the gym.  So before we start getting all huffy about "Blizzard marketing an addicting game to children", marketing anything to children could fall into this category as opposed to physical addiction that has a clear medical definition that can be measured.

@DropDeadCynical
Well, the way heroin was brought into the discussion was in hindsight a bit unfavourable. At that point addiction in general wasn't really a topic either, mostly cost in general.

It opened the avenue of "choosing the weakest argument to ridicule" and completely overshadowed the reasonable example of "HS costs less than a daily chocolate milk/coffee" (wich got ignored ever since).


@shadowrisen
I hope you got over the addiction (the consumption amount you meantioned can get life threatening pretty fast) and (late) congrats to your new high-end job *thumbs up*
I read through your "wall of text"-post and agree with what I've seen about him. Pretty fun read, especially regarding that shaman interaction.

"Now and then I see people defending blizzard and their greedy actions and I am just not capable of understanding why..."

I consider myself somebody who defends Blizzard. Not necessarily because I'm okay with all their decisions, but rather because the reactions they get with each new change is absolutely over the top. People lose their minds about pretty much all changes that they make.

Remember the people who made topics about quitting the game because of the Glide DH card? I knew the card wouldn't have a big impact on the game, yet I couldn't find a single comment saying that the card is "okay at best".

Sure, blizzard is focussing more on making profit. But my god, some folks really need to calm their tits when it comes to new things...

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"Now and then I see people defending blizzard and their greedy actions and I am just not capable of understanding why..."

I consider myself somebody who defends Blizzard. Not necessarily because I'm okay with all their decisions, but rather because the reactions they get with each new change is absolutely over the top. People lose their minds about pretty much all changes that they make.

Remember the people who made topics about quitting the game because of the Glide DH card? I knew the card wouldn't have a big impact on the game, yet I couldn't find a single comment saying that the card is "okay at best".

Sure, blizzard is focussing more on making profit. But my god, some folks really need to calm their tits when it comes to new things...

 You got nothing from what people were talking before u got here.

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"Now and then I see people defending blizzard and their greedy actions and I am just not capable of understanding why..."

...the reactions they get with each new change is absolutely over the top. People lose their minds about pretty much all changes that they make.

 

100% this ^^ 

I understand. The game is expensive. But if it is so expensive, why do you still play it? Why do you still complain about everything but still hanging around here?

Blizzard is a company, sure, but it is a big company that need money to make the company running. It's not charity.

I'll never understand why some people think that giving logical and sensible responses to arguments is considered to be "defending Blizzard's greed". I mean, that makes literally no sense at all and seems to be coming from a very selfish and entitled standpoint. 

Look at it this way: 
Person A : I need to make a living, so I can't offering you my services for free, so I will need to charge you for them from now on.
Person B : I know I've been letting you have this stuff for free for a while now, but I'm not able to keep giving it away, so will need you to pay for it from now on.
Person C : The cost of producing this stuff that you've been buying from me has risen a lot recently, so if I don't raise the price of it myself, I wont make any money.
Person D : You gave me that stuff for free before, so you need to keep giving me it for free, or at least make it more worth my while somehow. I deserve this free stuff because I'm the customer. How am I expected to keep having fun otherwise?

Which of these four people sound greedy? 
It's really that simple. 

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"Now and then I see people defending blizzard and their greedy actions and I am just not capable of understanding why..."

I consider myself somebody who defends Blizzard. Not necessarily because I'm okay with all their decisions, but rather because the reactions they get with each new change is absolutely over the top. People lose their minds about pretty much all changes that they make.

Remember the people who made topics about quitting the game because of the Glide DH card? I knew the card wouldn't have a big impact on the game, yet I couldn't find a single comment saying that the card is "okay at best".

Sure, blizzard is focussing more on making profit. But my god, some folks really need to calm their tits when it comes to new things...

we are talking about blizzard business section greedy behavior, but somehow that makes you wanna talk about people who complain about cards before they try to play them???

I do not see the coalition 


maybe people who defend blizzard have a hard time focusing and or reading 

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The world isn't black and white.  While I feel like HS is too expensive and the new reward path is disappointing, I also understand that HS was made to make money.  There was so much blowback when the BG pass was released, like Blizzard was supposed to spend all that time, money and resources creating the mode without expecting any money from it.  Companies don't stay in business by giving all their crap away for free.  

For me, HS is in the grey zone.  It's too expensive, 100% agree with that.  I shouldn't have to spend $300 every year to get a couple of competitive decks.  But I also think people who somehow think that Blizzard should make this a 100% F2P-friendly game are just being silly.  If they were to recreate the game from scratch, sure, they could design it as true F2P with other ways to monetize.  That's not going to happen though, so the game is stuck with the monetization model that it has, which is selling packs to people.  So will I defend their right to charge for new game modes and to charge for packs?  Absolutely.  Will I defend the price-points they have chosen?  Not at all.  

 This person gets it. Agree with all the points here. 

OP you're also comparing apples and oranges. If CDPR continue to develop content for Cyberpunk for the next 5 years and release several large updated each year that significantly add to and change the game, but they do so at no extra cost, then you may have a point.

Some people will spend £600 on ten AAA games throughout the year whereas some people who exclusively play a game such as hearthstone and they may put in £600 over the year. If they get an equal playtime or even anywhere in a similar region, neither is getting 'more' value than the other. They are running at a similar £ per hour of gaming.

It all comes back to the same point, every single time. If you don't feel it's value for your money, don't pay it. If enough people feel like that, the game will stop making money and either adapts it's monetisation or crumble/stop making enough to justify its ongoing development. 

Clearly they don't though. You guys can huff and puff all you like but it seems to me at least that enough people do put their money in and the game is able to continue. 

Starbucks coffee is very over priced. I personally won't go there daily and spend that amount on a coffee. I just don't think it's value at all. Clearly enough people do though because Starbucks continue to operate and make money. My personal feeling on it being over priced is therefore irrelevant. If enough people thought like me, they wouldn't buy coffee from there and they may have to adjust their pricing. But we can say that about anything. 

There are a ton of articles on this, what are you hoping to achieve? You make an article on an unofficial Blizzard forum and receive 20 messages of support from people who feel the same way. Whilst that's happening though there are 50 people that are in the game client and have bought packs. 

I'm not sure what you're hoping to achieve here, other than creating some echo chamber that allows you to feel better about your feelings towards the price of the game. 

 

 I disagree with the whole apples to oranges anology, both are games, and i would even assume that hearthstone is cheaper to produce so even less of an excuse for the price

and all I am trying to do is simple, make one more person fed up with blizzard so that eventually they will either sink or sail in a different direction... as it is now I hope hearthstone dies, but I wish it could just go back to be affordable again

To everyone still responding to OP: why? The guy made it clear his goal is to act like a 5 yr old. "I can't afford to play this game MY way! Burn Blizz, burn!" REEEEEE

it is a matter of principle, either you have a spin and stand up to injustice or you don't and you are small person (putting it mild)
no need to poor shame me for not wanting to empty the bank playing a virtual card game where I don't own any of the cards and therefor none of it holds any value.

maybe it is the curse of being smart, seeing how people fuck you over all the time just get infuriating over time, especially when people don't stand up for themselves or even worse get stockholm syndrom and starts defending the people who are abusing them.

we are talk bad about the people who prices the game not those who makes it, maybe the game is balanced if you where able to experiment with the cards, only the whales knows

It takes a much bigger person to stand up to the nasty, vocal minority than it does to be a sheeple and join in with the moaning and greedy demanding for fear of being shouted down for your opinion.

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It takes a much bigger person to stand up to the nasty, vocal minority than it does to be a sheeple and join in with the moaning and greedy demanding for fear of being shouted down for your opinion.

I have not seen any  statistic on this subject, using a term like "vocal minority" is just an attempt to do gaslighting..  anyone who falls for that sort of rhetoric or uses it themselves is by definition a manipulator or a sucker who have fallen for the manipulation and even spreads it themselves now without even knowing the root, and ill consider you the latter.
not saying that you do it on purpose :)

it is sort of like when people are voting and someone says, if you don't vote for blue it is a vote for red because yellow (who you want to vote for is a smaller party) they will consider it a waste, but no it is not a waste that is your opinion and you should stick to it and not let people bully you into their own believes 

please don't miss use data and adding biased adjectives is not really in good taste either

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It takes a much bigger person to stand up to the nasty, vocal minority than it does to be a sheeple and join in with the moaning and greedy demanding for fear of being shouted down for your opinion.

I have not seen any  statistic on this subject,

What sort of statistic would you be looking for exactly? It has as much viability as the statement you previously made. Unless there is some measurement of moral virtue recorded somewhere that I am missing?

using a term like "vocal minority" is just an attempt to do gaslighting.. 

Hardly - it's a common term and one that is pretty relevant here (and evidenced heavily). People who are satisfied are much more likely to enjoy the satisfaction without vocal complaint. The few that are discontent tend to complain (loudly and emphatically) in order to make it seem like it is a bigger problem than irt actually is. 

You claim it is "gaslighting". How exactly does my comment make you feel like you are insane? (Since that is what Gaslighting actually means):

anyone who falls for that sort of rhetoric or uses it themselves is by definition a manipulator or a sucker who have fallen for the manipulation and even spreads it themselves now without even knowing the root, and ill consider you the latter.
not saying that you do it on purpose :)

And where is your statistical evidence to back that claim up?
If you apply a rule to someone's comment, you need to also apply it to your own.

please don't miss use data and adding biased adjectives is not really in good taste either

 What data has been misused? You literally said at the beginning of your post that I didn't provide any... 

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it is a matter of principle, either you have a spin and stand up to injustice or you don't and you are small person (putting it mild)

 calling such things like pricing a product and creating a new reward system "injustice" is so dumb, i don't even know what to say

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please don't miss use data and adding biased adjectives is not really in good taste either

Come on now. Not only did you ignore every single point of data provided in this threat, you also didn't use any data yourself.

The only things you brought out here were ad hominem arguments, insults and "your gut feeling that blizzard is greedy".