If you do care about the game, you need to care about the company that makes it and that they need to stay afloat.
But people are selfish and greedy and entitled, and now demand more things even when they are given stuff for free.
Wow, that's rich. So people who feel genuinly fucked over (like me) AFTER spending about 30 AAA-games worth of cash on this game, are selfish, greedy and entitled? Are you kidding me?!
And that's even coming from a moderator. When I asked where a report of the complaints about the new "rewards" track remained, your fellow-moderator replied that they wouldn't host that as apparently your goal is only to offer a platform for discussion, not to add to it.
Well that was clearly a lie.
I do NOT want to be a part of that and even though there are a LOT of PASSIONATE people here in this community which I gladly was a part of, but if this is for real, I'm done, I'm out. Consider this a formal request to remove my account and all the data you have of me from your precious website.
I really find it hilarious how upset you reward track people get when you're called entitled, and yet when a system that as far as I can tell mathematically gives slightly more value than the previous one just isn't to your taste (all, without exception, of the maths posts I've seen back this up - everyone but 100g a day aggro farmers gets more stuff. If you've seen math indicating the contrary I would love to see it - I'm not trying to imply it's wrong, I would legitimately love to see it because I'm curious and would like to see the truth). And yet the reaction from the community to this system has been several weeks of endless, constant crying and threatening to leave the game and now you're suggesting that the way to get back at big mean blizzard for delaying your free rewards is to ruin the game for everyone by botting. No one likes bots, and people who bot are just sabotaging the experience of other players for their own gratification. It's nothing other than selfish.
I really wish all of the people who've threatened to leave the game over these weeks would just do it. Like, it's a thing you can do. I played Overwatch since launch, loved it to pieces, but the meta got completely unfun and I just uninstalled and never looked back. I don't come back to Overwatch forums to complain about how bad the game is or passive-aggressively push a competitor, I didn't spend weeks throwing hissyfits about how bad Blizzard was. Hearthstone being something you like isn't a right, nor it is something you can't live without.
Please, I just want to be able to go on HearthPwn and read discussion of the actual game and not the same post about how the Battle Pass is bad repeated fifteen times. Please.
This nails it. Listen to this guy or girl. You're ruining the overall experience for other players. If Blizzard's decisions have ruined the game for you then I'm sorry but don't slate them for it and then do exactly that for other people. It makes you a massive hypocrite or at best, just really selfish.
I personally really like the track and the more I've progressed through it, the more confident I've become that ill be far more gold rich once the next expansion comes around. And I have a bunch of skins I really like. I think the system could be tweaked and improved but I'm sure they will do that. This is literally their first throw of the dice.
oh no, someone might turn off a new player by telling the truth about this game, they must be stopped.
I really find it hilarious how upset you reward track people get when you're called entitled, and yet when a system that as far as I can tell mathematically gives slightly more value than the previous one just isn't to your taste (all, without exception, of the maths posts I've seen back this up - everyone but 100g a day aggro farmers gets more stuff. If you've seen math indicating the contrary I would love to see it - I'm not trying to imply it's wrong, I would legitimately love to see it because I'm curious and would like to see the truth). And yet the reaction from the community to this system has been several weeks of endless, constant crying and threatening to leave the game and now you're suggesting that the way to get back at big mean blizzard for delaying your free rewards is to ruin the game for everyone by botting. No one likes bots, and people who bot are just sabotaging the experience of other players for their own gratification. It's nothing other than selfish.
I really wish all of the people who've threatened to leave the game over these weeks would just do it. Like, it's a thing you can do. I played Overwatch since launch, loved it to pieces, but the meta got completely unfun and I just uninstalled and never looked back. I don't come back to Overwatch forums to complain about how bad the game is or passive-aggressively push a competitor, I didn't spend weeks throwing hissyfits about how bad Blizzard was. Hearthstone being something you like isn't a right, nor it is something you can't live without.
Please, I just want to be able to go on HearthPwn and read discussion of the actual game and not the same post about how the Battle Pass is bad repeated fifteen times. Please.
Why do you feel entitled to reading only what you want? This forum is free for all, don't you feel ashamed in asking only for the kind of content you want? You can simply abandon the board, no one is forcing you to stay here, you know.
As to the math, you're assuming two things: first, that the previous system was good when compared to all hearthstone competitors (heck, maybe even magic but I don't know that game well enough so don't quote me on that) it's atrociously worse and blatantly stingy. But let's assume for argument's sake that the old system was great and that the new one offers the same amount of rewards (pointless thing to argue because packs aren't equal to gold, dust isn't equal to gold, a tavern pass isn't equal to gold, only gold that I choose how to spend is equal to gold) or even more. This leads to the second point: that no "maths" I've seen account for the 35 (or 40? Some number in that ballpark) new cards we'll all have to get with every single mini-expansion (3 each year in addition to 3 standard expansions). Which, depending on how many epics and legendaries it has and how many of the current set you have, could require plenty of packs. Which, in case you've missed it, makes the new system and the new economy, much more expensive than the previous one in all cases.
What most whales here seem to have missed, is that this whole new moronic implementation hasn't made people mad just because "the new system is as good as the old one" (which is not even true, but was even less so when we were to be given garbage packs at the end of the reward trail) but this whole economy revamp made plenty of people realise how absurdly expensive hearthstone was to begin with. No idea why, possibly because with a new economy (that made most miss the old one) they turned to other ccgs and thought wow, why is hearthstone sensibly more expensive? Or turned to normal games and be like wow, why do I have to pay the price of 5-6 AAA games (and goodness knows how many indies) to barely stay up to date with heartstone every single year? Why is the most famous MMO worldwide, also owned by activisionblizzard, less expensive than a digital card game? All that, combined with the outright lies from the dev team, at a time when everyone is more nervous and anxious than in previous years (I assume you know why), well, it made a lot of people, even some who'd dropped hundreds and thousands of $ in the game, incredibly pissed off.
So many people on this board (the laughably tone-insensitive answer from a mod, of all things, was bloody hilarious) are the polar opposite of people on the hearthstone subreddit.
I really find it hilarious how upset you reward track people get when you're called entitled, and yet when a system that as far as I can tell mathematically gives slightly more value than the previous one just isn't to your taste (all, without exception, of the maths posts I've seen back this up - everyone but 100g a day aggro farmers gets more stuff. If you've seen math indicating the contrary I would love to see it - I'm not trying to imply it's wrong, I would legitimately love to see it because I'm curious and would like to see the truth). And yet the reaction from the community to this system has been several weeks of endless, constant crying and threatening to leave the game and now you're suggesting that the way to get back at big mean blizzard for delaying your free rewards is to ruin the game for everyone by botting. No one likes bots, and people who bot are just sabotaging the experience of other players for their own gratification. It's nothing other than selfish.
I really wish all of the people who've threatened to leave the game over these weeks would just do it. Like, it's a thing you can do. I played Overwatch since launch, loved it to pieces, but the meta got completely unfun and I just uninstalled and never looked back. I don't come back to Overwatch forums to complain about how bad the game is or passive-aggressively push a competitor, I didn't spend weeks throwing hissyfits about how bad Blizzard was. Hearthstone being something you like isn't a right, nor it is something you can't live without.
Please, I just want to be able to go on HearthPwn and read discussion of the actual game and not the same post about how the Battle Pass is bad repeated fifteen times. Please.
Why do you feel entitled to reading only what you want? This forum is free for all, don't you feel ashamed in asking only for the kind of content you want? You can simply abandon the board, no one is forcing you to stay here, you know.
As to the math, you're assuming two things: first, that the previous system was good when compared to all hearthstone competitors (heck, maybe even magic but I don't know that game well enough so don't quote me on that) it's atrociously worse and blatantly stingy. But let's assume for argument's sake that the old system was great and that the new one offers the same amount of rewards (pointless thing to argue because packs aren't equal to gold, dust isn't equal to gold, a tavern pass isn't equal to gold, only gold that I choose how to spend is equal to gold) or even more. This leads to the second point: that no "maths" I've seen account for the 35 (or 40? Some number in that ballpark) new cards we'll all have to get with every single mini-expansion (3 each year in addition to 3 standard expansions). Which, depending on how many epics and legendaries it has and how many of the current set you have, could require plenty of packs. Which, in case you've missed it, makes the new system and the new economy, much more expensive than the previous one in all cases.
What most whales here seem to have missed, is that this whole new moronic implementation hasn't made people mad just because "the new system is as good as the old one" (which is not even true, but was even less so when we were to be given garbage packs at the end of the reward trail) but this whole economy revamp made plenty of people realise how absurdly expensive hearthstone was to begin with. No idea why, possibly because with a new economy (that made most miss the old one) they turned to other ccgs and thought wow, why is hearthstone sensibly more expensive? Or turned to normal games and be like wow, why do I have to pay the price of 5-6 AAA games (and goodness knows how many indies) to barely stay up to date with heartstone every single year? Why is the most famous MMO worldwide, also owned by activisionblizzard, less expensive than a digital card game? All that, combined with the outright lies from the dev team, at a time when everyone is more nervous and anxious than in previous years (I assume you know why), well, it made a lot of people, even some who'd dropped hundreds and thousands of $ in the game, incredibly pissed off.
So many people on this board (the laughably tone-insensitive answer from a mod, of all things, was bloody hilarious) are the polar opposite of people on the hearthstone subreddit.
Wow, you got me man, I called you entitled and now you call me entitled. Such a zinger!
I've not mentioned anything to do with whether the previous system was good or not. I've not said that Hearthstone isn't more expensive than its competitors. All I'm saying is that there's a large contingent of people having an absolute meltdown because the game is giving out more rewards and they don't like how that's structured. Hearthstone is expensive. It's been expensive forever. You know what you can do about that? Go play Runeterra or something. You destroyed that man real good with your argument, it's a shame he was made of straw.
Plus, while Hearthstone is expensive, how expensive has constantly been vastly overstated. I drop 40 euros per expansion (2 AAA-games worth a year, not the 5-6 you got out of nowhere) and I can pretty much play every deck I want. It's only if you want to be a completionist and own every card it gets crazy expensive, but that's really not how it's meant to be used.
I like how unpleasable people are. "The meta gets way too stale in the 3 month expansion cycle! We need more cards and changes!" "What? The new cards aren't just free? BLI$$ARD GREED STRIKES AGAIN!". Yes, the mini-set will make keeping up with a collection harder, and that does suck, but it will also make the game better, and I'm willing to bet it's going to be better value per card than an Adventure, where you're spending 700 gold per wing for no more than one or two playables. Here you'll get a lot of them from packs and be able to just craft what you need, instead of going 3 wings deep because there's one card in wing 3 you want. Is it going to be better or worse? I don't know, and neither do you. Well, I'm guessing you know what you'll think of it already, no matter how it pans out.
If you truly don't want Blizzard to make money from you, stop playing the game and stop paying for it. If you don't want to lose your account, don't bot/automate the game. You will get banned for it. If you don't care about the game, don't play it any more. If you do care about the game, you need to care about the company that makes it and that they need to stay afloat.
Bottom line is : There is literally no reason for them to give ANY rewards to people who play this game. Gold rewards and quests etc weren't even in the original game, they were added later. But people are selfish and greedy and entitled, and now demand more things even when they are given stuff for free.
I sincerely hope you meant activision-blizzard is selfish, greedy and entitled and you somewhat mispelled it.
Oh and if you TRULY care about the game, you push forward in the direction that improves it. Which means doing a 180° turn compared to what they are doing right now. If you want this game to bleed players left and right, be my guest. Just don't cry later...
You may not use the bot but you can just play control warrior and skip every turn into roping and fatigue. Who really cares are you a bot or afk player in this case?
If you do care about the game, you need to care about the company that makes it and that they need to stay afloat.
But people are selfish and greedy and entitled, and now demand more things even when they are given stuff for free.
Wow, that's rich. So people who feel genuinly fucked over (like me) AFTER spending about 30 AAA-games worth of cash on this game, are selfish, greedy and entitled? Are you kidding me?!
And that's even coming from a moderator. When I asked where a report of the complaints about the new "rewards" track remained, your fellow-moderator replied that they wouldn't host that as apparently your goal is only to offer a platform for discussion, not to add to it.
Well that was clearly a lie.
I do NOT want to be a part of that and even though there are a LOT of PASSIONATE people here in this community which I gladly was a part of, but if this is for real, I'm done, I'm out. Consider this a formal request to remove my account and all the data you have of me from your precious website.
don't read his mess of a reply, all mods and people involved in running this website clearly love being fisted by Activision. I've been banned many times for writing the truth here and there. People can't even write and say anything today - fake freedom of speech i guess.
seems like sharing opinions is forbidden here. Doesn't matter now but it will in time, I'm happy that people have finally realised how are they being treated by the company they loved for many years.
And to be fair Blizzard doesn't give a shit about the people - that's why many people left the company
If you do care about the game, you need to care about the company that makes it and that they need to stay afloat.
But people are selfish and greedy and entitled, and now demand more things even when they are given stuff for free.
Wow, that's rich. So people who feel genuinly fucked over (like me) AFTER spending about 30 AAA-games worth of cash on this game, are selfish, greedy and entitled? Are you kidding me?!
And that's even coming from a moderator. When I asked where a report of the complaints about the new "rewards" track remained, your fellow-moderator replied that they wouldn't host that as apparently your goal is only to offer a platform for discussion, not to add to it.
Well that was clearly a lie.
I do NOT want to be a part of that and even though there are a LOT of PASSIONATE people here in this community which I gladly was a part of, but if this is for real, I'm done, I'm out. Consider this a formal request to remove my account and all the data you have of me from your precious website.
don't read his mess of a reply, all mods and people involved in running this website clearly love being fisted by Activision. I've been banned many times for writing the truth here and there. People can't even write and say anything today - fake freedom of speech i guess.
seems like sharing opinions is forbidden here. Doesn't matter now but it will in time, I'm happy that people have finally realised how are they being treated by the company they loved for many years.
And to be fair Blizzard doesn't give a shit about the people - that's why many people left the company
I just love watching the shills do insane logic twists to try to justify blizzards decisions. My favorite is when a dude will make multiple accounts and talk to himself to make it look like there are people who thing HS is a nonbuggy, fairly priced, enjoyable competitive game that is not rigged.
With too much invested (time & money) in my account, personally I wouldn't risk a bot. The new system is just flat out stupid and okay to take a break from (as have I... maybe indefinitely). Or you can AFK rope in casual while you do other things in the foreground. Hopefully pissing-off more of the real players and making a statement to the game directors.
The interesting thing is... if more and more of the playerbase does start to bot either in casual or on ladder, would Blizzard really want to shadow-ban an even larger chunk of it's accounts? If they've fostered a cheating culture, I wonder if they'll have to own it. Business ethics class right here folks! (quick answer- they won't lmao)
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"Put 'em all in", they said. "You gon' be ballin", they said.
If you truly don't want Blizzard to make money from you, stop playing the game and stop paying for it. If you don't want to lose your account, don't bot/automate the game. You will get banned for it. If you don't care about the game, don't play it any more. If you do care about the game, you need to care about the company that makes it and that they need to stay afloat.
Bottom line is : There is literally no reason for them to give ANY rewards to people who play this game. Gold rewards and quests etc weren't even in the original game, they were added later. But people are selfish and greedy and entitled, and now demand more things even when they are given stuff for free.
it's not a joke it's the truth, accept it, you are given a game to play for free you re offending someone when you complain about something that someone gave you for free, don't be dumb fuckin assholes, don't like it don't play it, stop crying and be mature.
Just set up an auto clicker on the play button in Battlegrounds. You don't even need bots. You can leave that overnight or while doing other stuff and you can just farm XP.
Yes then u get banned and come crying back to the forums saying “blizzard un ban me I did nothing wrong “ while in high sight u used a auto click to farm exp..
there is no way to be banned because a auto clicker, i use it all the time in the most diverse things, top kek
Wow, I've been watching with rapt amusement a lot of these threads about the reward track (whether or not it was originally about the reward track, it is now), but this one has been a unique exercise in goal-post moving.
People are realizing they can no longer mathematically defend the claim that the new system provides less gold (well, the people who are willing to acknowledge reality are, anyway), so now, we need to not only provide as much gold as the old system, but MORE than the old system to account for the mini-set. Despite the fact that we have no idea what the details of the mini-set are going to be. But, nothing like an unreachable standard to save a failing argument.
The trolls are coming up with new stuff, too. Instead of "spies paid by Blizzard", it's now "one person making multiple accounts to pretend people agree with him". I will admit that Scorpyon shit the bed hard and fed the trolls a week's worth of meal on that unfortunate post on page one, but que sera. Not everyone has my patience.
On the subject of corporate greed, I wish someone would explain what they expect out of a corporation. Seriously, what exactly do you expect that you aren't getting? Do you shop at Wal-Mart? You're aware the myriad of horrific employment practices in which they engage to keep prices low, yes? Do you have an iPhone, or any Apple product, for that matter? Google "suicide nets" and learn something about true corporate greed. Oh, and let's not even start with Amazon, the king of internet dollars, and famous for advising their stocking employees to keep empty bottles at their station to piss in. I have to give Amazon credit though, they did cancel their idea in 2016 to fit their employees with shock bracelets to "correct" them for not moving their hands in as efficient a manner as possible while stocking. Yeah, that was real.
These are pretty horrible, but we can step it up a lot further. Let's go global. My first job out of law school was fighting British Petroleum for pieces of their $2 billion damage fund for the environmental disaster they directly caused in the Gulf of Mexico in 2010. I made over $300k helping people stick it to that particular corporation. What the hell are you doing? Bitching on a forum? I'm impressed.
Several of you have directed the "Blizzard agent" trope at me, and I take a special pleasure when that happens to which most of the posters here can't relate. Because I've actually fought corporations and won on meaningful levels to many people's lives. Not to mention fighting the biggest, greediest, immoralest (yes, I know it's not a word) entity of all in my country, the federal government. You haven't lived till you've been bodily threatened by a DA and a cop on the same case in open court.
By comparison, Blizzard is such a tiny, insignificant blip on the radar of corporate malfeasance, it is difficult to care at all. Sure, they try to extract lots of money with their pixels. Every single one of you that allegedly has a problem with the corporate policies of Activision can do one of two things: 1) Quit the game, or 2) admit via your actions (couldn't care less about your words) that this thing which you argue and complain about is actually not important enough to act upon.
Talk to me when your only source of food in meaningful driving distance is a Wal-mart, and you actually have to choose between your principles and feeding your family. Talk to me when you realize that your insurance company has murdered by omission, but to say something would void your own coverage in the middle of your life-or-death cancer treatment. This shit happens to real people every day.
And no, please don't misunderstand. I'm not preaching to you about "kids are starving in Africa so a game doesn't matter". That line of thinking has always been bullshit, because we all have a hierarchy of needs and perspective. I know this more than most; there have been times in my life when the worst problem I was facing was which SUV to pay cash for as a Christmas present for my wife. AND there have been times in my life when one of the smaller worries I had was whether I could manage to avoid prison for the felony charges hanging over my head. Priorities are always relative.
But here's a small suggestion. Argue in good faith. Assume the person saying something different says it because they just disagree with you, and perhaps you are not omniscient. Scorp fell a little short of that here, and that's fine; it happens to everyone. But if you make a habit of falling short for such a manageable standard, then it is time to gain a bit of perspective. Your priorities are your own, but it MIGHT be relevant that the vast majority of the world has bigger fish to fry. And their priorities aren't any less worthy than your complaints.
TL;DR: Read something else.
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Helpful Clarification on Forbidden Topics for Hearthstone Forums:
Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
So now we moved from there are things worse than hearthstone to there are corporations worse than blizzard. This comparison argument you keep going to just illustrates how shit Blizzard has become.
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Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
Ok, I did my best to show how other corporations affect life and death issues, but if putting parents in a situation where they have to say "no" to their kid using their credit card compares with those atrocities in your book, nothing I'm going to say is going to change your mind.
That absolutely IS a full and accurate restatement of "peddling a gambling app to kids", btw. Kids in the US have very little chance to command money unless their parents hand it to them. Granted, a huge portion of parents can't be bothered to be aware of anything their kids do, but you can't lay that at any corporation's door. That one is good ole' societal decay itself.
The lawyer inside me can't let it pass without pointing out that it very much is NOT a "gambling app" according to US law, but that's neither here nor their, just a fact of law. Well, to be totally accurate, none of the 50 states who have 50 different specific definitions of "gambling" would count Hearthstone among what is considered gambling, at least none did in 2018 when the first rumblings of "loot boxes = gambling" stuff started rearing its head in Europe. Admittedly, I haven't watched all 50 states like a hawk, but I haven't heard of anyone changing anything since then.
Anyway, we've been going back and forth between the two of us, and this is as good a spot as any to admit what I should have several hours ago. At worst, you're trolling and not giving my arguments a fair hearing at all. At best, you genuinely believe that Blizzard ranks anywhere in the same universe of corporate greed and negative impact as Walmart, Apple, Amazon, BP, health insurance companies, etc., in which case I will never reach you. Since we're technically in opinion land here, there's a point where we're just going in circles.
I absolutely argue in good faith, though. That is not an accusation that holds up to even the slightest scrutiny in any of my forum posts, and I'll take that claim all the way back to the earliest days I spent on this forum actually responding to the salt thread. But you know that full well, because you were around reading that God forsaken thread where Popeye and pepayayaaya (however it's spelled) went six pages of trolling and I answered everything they had to say giving them every benefit of the doubt the whole way. I'm always the guy who gets taken by the troll, somewhat willingly, because I give everyone the benefit of the doubt that they too, are at least trying to argue in good faith. Granted, after repeatedly straw manning my arguments and putting words in my mouth, you eventually lose that privilege, but I stick with it further than anyone else I've seen on this site.
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Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
The mod is defending is business, don’t try to argue.
On topic, a bunch of people are AFKing while launching Battlegrounds games. You can do anything else at the same time, it’s safe and kinda works.
Take a walk on the wild side...
Wow, that's rich. So people who feel genuinly fucked over (like me) AFTER spending about 30 AAA-games worth of cash on this game, are selfish, greedy and entitled? Are you kidding me?!
And that's even coming from a moderator. When I asked where a report of the complaints about the new "rewards" track remained, your fellow-moderator replied that they wouldn't host that as apparently your goal is only to offer a platform for discussion, not to add to it.
Well that was clearly a lie.
I do NOT want to be a part of that and even though there are a LOT of PASSIONATE people here in this community which I gladly was a part of, but if this is for real, I'm done, I'm out. Consider this a formal request to remove my account and all the data you have of me from your precious website.
oh no, someone might turn off a new player by telling the truth about this game, they must be stopped.
Why do you feel entitled to reading only what you want? This forum is free for all, don't you feel ashamed in asking only for the kind of content you want? You can simply abandon the board, no one is forcing you to stay here, you know.
As to the math, you're assuming two things: first, that the previous system was good when compared to all hearthstone competitors (heck, maybe even magic but I don't know that game well enough so don't quote me on that) it's atrociously worse and blatantly stingy. But let's assume for argument's sake that the old system was great and that the new one offers the same amount of rewards (pointless thing to argue because packs aren't equal to gold, dust isn't equal to gold, a tavern pass isn't equal to gold, only gold that I choose how to spend is equal to gold) or even more. This leads to the second point: that no "maths" I've seen account for the 35 (or 40? Some number in that ballpark) new cards we'll all have to get with every single mini-expansion (3 each year in addition to 3 standard expansions). Which, depending on how many epics and legendaries it has and how many of the current set you have, could require plenty of packs. Which, in case you've missed it, makes the new system and the new economy, much more expensive than the previous one in all cases.
What most whales here seem to have missed, is that this whole new moronic implementation hasn't made people mad just because "the new system is as good as the old one" (which is not even true, but was even less so when we were to be given garbage packs at the end of the reward trail) but this whole economy revamp made plenty of people realise how absurdly expensive hearthstone was to begin with. No idea why, possibly because with a new economy (that made most miss the old one) they turned to other ccgs and thought wow, why is hearthstone sensibly more expensive? Or turned to normal games and be like wow, why do I have to pay the price of 5-6 AAA games (and goodness knows how many indies) to barely stay up to date with heartstone every single year? Why is the most famous MMO worldwide, also owned by activisionblizzard, less expensive than a digital card game? All that, combined with the outright lies from the dev team, at a time when everyone is more nervous and anxious than in previous years (I assume you know why), well, it made a lot of people, even some who'd dropped hundreds and thousands of $ in the game, incredibly pissed off.
So many people on this board (the laughably tone-insensitive answer from a mod, of all things, was bloody hilarious) are the polar opposite of people on the hearthstone subreddit.
Wow, you got me man, I called you entitled and now you call me entitled. Such a zinger!
I've not mentioned anything to do with whether the previous system was good or not. I've not said that Hearthstone isn't more expensive than its competitors. All I'm saying is that there's a large contingent of people having an absolute meltdown because the game is giving out more rewards and they don't like how that's structured. Hearthstone is expensive. It's been expensive forever. You know what you can do about that? Go play Runeterra or something. You destroyed that man real good with your argument, it's a shame he was made of straw.
Plus, while Hearthstone is expensive, how expensive has constantly been vastly overstated. I drop 40 euros per expansion (2 AAA-games worth a year, not the 5-6 you got out of nowhere) and I can pretty much play every deck I want. It's only if you want to be a completionist and own every card it gets crazy expensive, but that's really not how it's meant to be used.
I like how unpleasable people are. "The meta gets way too stale in the 3 month expansion cycle! We need more cards and changes!" "What? The new cards aren't just free? BLI$$ARD GREED STRIKES AGAIN!". Yes, the mini-set will make keeping up with a collection harder, and that does suck, but it will also make the game better, and I'm willing to bet it's going to be better value per card than an Adventure, where you're spending 700 gold per wing for no more than one or two playables. Here you'll get a lot of them from packs and be able to just craft what you need, instead of going 3 wings deep because there's one card in wing 3 you want. Is it going to be better or worse? I don't know, and neither do you. Well, I'm guessing you know what you'll think of it already, no matter how it pans out.
I sincerely hope you meant activision-blizzard is selfish, greedy and entitled and you somewhat mispelled it.
Oh and if you TRULY care about the game, you push forward in the direction that improves it. Which means doing a 180° turn compared to what they are doing right now. If you want this game to bleed players left and right, be my guest. Just don't cry later...
You may not use the bot but you can just play control warrior and skip every turn into roping and fatigue. Who really cares are you a bot or afk player in this case?
don't read his mess of a reply, all mods and people involved in running this website clearly love being fisted by Activision. I've been banned many times for writing the truth here and there. People can't even write and say anything today - fake freedom of speech i guess.
seems like sharing opinions is forbidden here. Doesn't matter now but it will in time, I'm happy that people have finally realised how are they being treated by the company they loved for many years.
And to be fair Blizzard doesn't give a shit about the people - that's why many people left the company
I just love watching the shills do insane logic twists to try to justify blizzards decisions. My favorite is when a dude will make multiple accounts and talk to himself to make it look like there are people who thing HS is a nonbuggy, fairly priced, enjoyable competitive game that is not rigged.
With too much invested (time & money) in my account, personally I wouldn't risk a bot. The new system is just flat out stupid and okay to take a break from (as have I... maybe indefinitely). Or you can AFK rope in casual while you do other things in the foreground. Hopefully pissing-off more of the real players and making a statement to the game directors.
The interesting thing is... if more and more of the playerbase does start to bot either in casual or on ladder, would Blizzard really want to shadow-ban an even larger chunk of it's accounts? If they've fostered a cheating culture, I wonder if they'll have to own it. Business ethics class right here folks! (quick answer- they won't lmao)
"Put 'em all in", they said. "You gon' be ballin", they said.
Lmao at this mod. Cut me a check too, bro
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it's not a joke it's the truth, accept it, you are given a game to play for free you re offending someone when you complain about something that someone gave you for free, don't be dumb fuckin assholes, don't like it don't play it, stop crying and be mature.
there is no way to be banned because a auto clicker, i use it all the time in the most diverse things, top kek
Wow, I've been watching with rapt amusement a lot of these threads about the reward track (whether or not it was originally about the reward track, it is now), but this one has been a unique exercise in goal-post moving.
People are realizing they can no longer mathematically defend the claim that the new system provides less gold (well, the people who are willing to acknowledge reality are, anyway), so now, we need to not only provide as much gold as the old system, but MORE than the old system to account for the mini-set. Despite the fact that we have no idea what the details of the mini-set are going to be. But, nothing like an unreachable standard to save a failing argument.
The trolls are coming up with new stuff, too. Instead of "spies paid by Blizzard", it's now "one person making multiple accounts to pretend people agree with him". I will admit that Scorpyon shit the bed hard and fed the trolls a week's worth of meal on that unfortunate post on page one, but que sera. Not everyone has my patience.
On the subject of corporate greed, I wish someone would explain what they expect out of a corporation. Seriously, what exactly do you expect that you aren't getting? Do you shop at Wal-Mart? You're aware the myriad of horrific employment practices in which they engage to keep prices low, yes? Do you have an iPhone, or any Apple product, for that matter? Google "suicide nets" and learn something about true corporate greed. Oh, and let's not even start with Amazon, the king of internet dollars, and famous for advising their stocking employees to keep empty bottles at their station to piss in. I have to give Amazon credit though, they did cancel their idea in 2016 to fit their employees with shock bracelets to "correct" them for not moving their hands in as efficient a manner as possible while stocking. Yeah, that was real.
These are pretty horrible, but we can step it up a lot further. Let's go global. My first job out of law school was fighting British Petroleum for pieces of their $2 billion damage fund for the environmental disaster they directly caused in the Gulf of Mexico in 2010. I made over $300k helping people stick it to that particular corporation. What the hell are you doing? Bitching on a forum? I'm impressed.
Several of you have directed the "Blizzard agent" trope at me, and I take a special pleasure when that happens to which most of the posters here can't relate. Because I've actually fought corporations and won on meaningful levels to many people's lives. Not to mention fighting the biggest, greediest, immoralest (yes, I know it's not a word) entity of all in my country, the federal government. You haven't lived till you've been bodily threatened by a DA and a cop on the same case in open court.
By comparison, Blizzard is such a tiny, insignificant blip on the radar of corporate malfeasance, it is difficult to care at all. Sure, they try to extract lots of money with their pixels. Every single one of you that allegedly has a problem with the corporate policies of Activision can do one of two things: 1) Quit the game, or 2) admit via your actions (couldn't care less about your words) that this thing which you argue and complain about is actually not important enough to act upon.
Talk to me when your only source of food in meaningful driving distance is a Wal-mart, and you actually have to choose between your principles and feeding your family. Talk to me when you realize that your insurance company has murdered by omission, but to say something would void your own coverage in the middle of your life-or-death cancer treatment. This shit happens to real people every day.
And no, please don't misunderstand. I'm not preaching to you about "kids are starving in Africa so a game doesn't matter". That line of thinking has always been bullshit, because we all have a hierarchy of needs and perspective. I know this more than most; there have been times in my life when the worst problem I was facing was which SUV to pay cash for as a Christmas present for my wife. AND there have been times in my life when one of the smaller worries I had was whether I could manage to avoid prison for the felony charges hanging over my head. Priorities are always relative.
But here's a small suggestion. Argue in good faith. Assume the person saying something different says it because they just disagree with you, and perhaps you are not omniscient. Scorp fell a little short of that here, and that's fine; it happens to everyone. But if you make a habit of falling short for such a manageable standard, then it is time to gain a bit of perspective. Your priorities are your own, but it MIGHT be relevant that the vast majority of the world has bigger fish to fry. And their priorities aren't any less worthy than your complaints.
TL;DR: Read something else.
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Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
So now we moved from there are things worse than hearthstone to there are corporations worse than blizzard. This comparison argument you keep going to just illustrates how shit Blizzard has become.
No, it literally illustrates the exact opposite. Blizzard ranks very VERY low on the problematic corporation list.
EDIT: But thank you for ignoring the "argue in good faith" part and continuing your streak of deliberately misstating what I wrote.
Helpful Clarification on Forbidden Topics for Hearthstone Forums:
Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
I think peddling a gambling app to children is pretty disgusting and I don't think ignoring that is arguing in good faith.
Ok, I did my best to show how other corporations affect life and death issues, but if putting parents in a situation where they have to say "no" to their kid using their credit card compares with those atrocities in your book, nothing I'm going to say is going to change your mind.
That absolutely IS a full and accurate restatement of "peddling a gambling app to kids", btw. Kids in the US have very little chance to command money unless their parents hand it to them. Granted, a huge portion of parents can't be bothered to be aware of anything their kids do, but you can't lay that at any corporation's door. That one is good ole' societal decay itself.
The lawyer inside me can't let it pass without pointing out that it very much is NOT a "gambling app" according to US law, but that's neither here nor their, just a fact of law. Well, to be totally accurate, none of the 50 states who have 50 different specific definitions of "gambling" would count Hearthstone among what is considered gambling, at least none did in 2018 when the first rumblings of "loot boxes = gambling" stuff started rearing its head in Europe. Admittedly, I haven't watched all 50 states like a hawk, but I haven't heard of anyone changing anything since then.
Anyway, we've been going back and forth between the two of us, and this is as good a spot as any to admit what I should have several hours ago. At worst, you're trolling and not giving my arguments a fair hearing at all. At best, you genuinely believe that Blizzard ranks anywhere in the same universe of corporate greed and negative impact as Walmart, Apple, Amazon, BP, health insurance companies, etc., in which case I will never reach you. Since we're technically in opinion land here, there's a point where we're just going in circles.
I absolutely argue in good faith, though. That is not an accusation that holds up to even the slightest scrutiny in any of my forum posts, and I'll take that claim all the way back to the earliest days I spent on this forum actually responding to the salt thread. But you know that full well, because you were around reading that God forsaken thread where Popeye and pepayayaaya (however it's spelled) went six pages of trolling and I answered everything they had to say giving them every benefit of the doubt the whole way. I'm always the guy who gets taken by the troll, somewhat willingly, because I give everyone the benefit of the doubt that they too, are at least trying to argue in good faith. Granted, after repeatedly straw manning my arguments and putting words in my mouth, you eventually lose that privilege, but I stick with it further than anyone else I've seen on this site.
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Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
This thread is utterly baffling!
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