Someone can explain to me why mage, a class can barely make a low tier 2 deck before needed to be nerfed to oblivion, but DH GODLY invencible, insanely OP can remain Tier S for weeks and not have the same treatment?
Nerfing Blade Dance to 3 mana would necessitate more thought in DH's board clear turns, and would factor in to their resource management beforehand as well. In other words, they would always need to hold a little something back to make sure they could clear a big boi or three, should they need to. This would prevent, to a degree, the total balls-to-the-wall damage turns that we currently see from the class.
Someone can explain to me why mage, a class can barely make a low tier 2 deck before needed to be nerfed to oblivion, but DH GODLY invencible, insanely OP can remain Tier S for weeks and not have the same treatment?
Not that long ago the only Warlock deck, playable in standard (Pain Zoo) was nerefd (Darkglare got hit) because of Wild reasons, which made him disappear from the meta completely until next expansion. So you know, "Blizzard's logic" I guess...
The only card that stands out to me that something needs to be done with is Blade Dance. Obviously that’s a Soul DH card but I’m assuming you’re including this in your complaint as you mentioned the 6/6, which doesn’t get played in the more traditional aggro deck.
The card is absurdly overpowered. It single-handedly destroys board based decks and a fast burn deck shouldn’t have strong cheap board clears in my opinion.
It's crazy to think that there are people out there who thinks DH is a balanced and fun class to play against. And then I play ladder, see how many DH's are playing and then remember you are all playing demon hunter
Of course DH has to be nerfed. Those who claim they can defeat them easily with deck adjusting are just saying bullshit. No way you can beat DH with Warlock consistently even with deck tuned to beat aggro. You just can't.
Started to climb the NA ladder again today, and now I am convinced DH needs nerfs.
Over half my games are DH - either aggro or soul.
I'm sick of it. Aggro is brutal - entire games are over by turn 4. It just feels awful.
Soul is also ridiculous. Blade Dance is the primary target for a nerf, but that stupid Bladed Lady is also pissing me off.
Don't forget DH also has silence from a 1 mana spell and Kayn.
The meta needs diversity. I have seen one warlock, zero Druids, one Priest, two Warriors, and one Mage. A few Paladins. 90% of my games are DH, Shaman, or Hunter.
I imagine Control Warrior will be more popular soon, which is also depressing, but what do we expect when this DH junk is everywhere?
How much a class need to be over represented in ladder to finally the necessary nerfs can be done? I have almost 50% of my matchs being DH in a game with 10 classes.
What they waiting to completely shatter this cursed class with nerf hammer?
So are you a control player mad that you die before your boring deck takes over, or a meme player who's mad you can't get your combo off?
Those are usually the main reasons someone QQ's over aggro.
I mean you poke fun at "boring control decks" but I personally don't see how an aggro deck in which you just throw your cards at the opponent's face as quickly as possible solely based on having the mana to do it is any fun either.
Just my opinion on the main reason someone QQ's over players QQ'ing over aggro.
Nerfing Blade Dance to 3 mana would necessitate more thought in DH's board clear turns, and would factor in to their resource management beforehand as well. In other words, they would always need to hold a little something back to make sure they could clear a big boi or three, should they need to. This would prevent, to a degree, the total balls-to-the-wall damage turns that we currently see from the class.
My .02 cents.
3 mana and destroy the weapon seems fairer.
Plus make the hero power 2 mana again. No clue why that remains 1 mana with the amount of tempo/damage they already possess.
Started to climb the NA ladder again today, and now I am convinced DH needs nerfs.
Over half my games are DH - either aggro or soul.
I'm sick of it. Aggro is brutal - entire games are over by turn 4. It just feels awful.
Soul is also ridiculous. Blade Dance is the primary target for a nerf, but that stupid Bladed Lady is also pissing me off.
Don't forget DH also has silence from a 1 mana spell and Kayn.
The meta needs diversity. I have seen one warlock, zero Druids, one Priest, two Warriors, and one Mage. A few Paladins. 90% of my games are DH, Shaman, or Hunter.
I imagine Control Warrior will be more popular soon, which is also depressing, but what do we expect when this DH junk is everywhere?
Speaking of kayn... I can understand Kayn ignoring taunts... but why in the world do all his allies need to ignore taunts too? Make that change and Kayn is balanced. They push enough face damage and board presence already.
Kayn is not a problem. Creatures in best DH which is Sould DH, are irrelevant, they are just spells which enhance his hero attack. And this is the real problem - heroes ability to attack is better and better, yet there are no real counters to it, especially for control decks.
Kayn is a win condition for aggressive demon hunter decks. I'd rather personally they up him to a 5 mana 4/4 than remove his ability to end the game.
And Blade Dance isn't based on Illidan's weapon. He can use blade dance without a weapon. Maybe they could change it to instead be 2 mana, deal damage equal to his *weapon* damage instead. Since he doesn't actually buff his weapon's damage, that would mean it would be limited to like 4 damage at most as an AoE.
I think that'd be a lot less interesting, and just upping it to 4 mana might be better if it is that broken (though I think 3 is fair).
So are you a control player mad that you die before your boring deck takes over, or a meme player who's mad you can't get your combo off?
Those are usually the main reasons someone QQ's over aggro.
I mean you poke fun at "boring control decks" but I personally don't see how an aggro deck in which you just throw your cards at the opponent's face as quickly as possible solely based on having the mana to do it is any fun either.
Just my opinion on the main reason someone QQ's over players QQ'ing over aggro.
Who’s QQing? Not me. I’m pointing out that when people cry over “X” deck type, they are usually the players that play decks that can’t beat it. Can’t stand aggro? Concede or play anti-aggro and take your lumps vs. other decks. HS is one big game of Rock Paper Scissors.
So are you a control player mad that you die before your boring deck takes over, or a meme player who's mad you can't get your combo off?
Those are usually the main reasons someone QQ's over aggro.
Those are usually the main excuses some aggro player try to defend their broken and lame deck with. You just need to check the win rate: aggro dh is at almost 60%, its biggest nemesis is soul dh
There is no control deck that can handle this much damage, especially when there is nothing to remove because dh just punches you in the face for 15dmg
I haven't lost to DH in a week, playing from Plat 5 to Diamond 5. They don't seem to be nearly as prolific as posts on here suggest, and generally they just fold to any semblence of board control or better tempo. I've had good results with Pure Paladin and Evolve Shaman.
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Someone can explain to me why mage, a class can barely make a low tier 2 deck before needed to be nerfed to oblivion, but DH GODLY invencible, insanely OP can remain Tier S for weeks and not have the same treatment?
Nerfing Blade Dance to 3 mana would necessitate more thought in DH's board clear turns, and would factor in to their resource management beforehand as well. In other words, they would always need to hold a little something back to make sure they could clear a big boi or three, should they need to. This would prevent, to a degree, the total balls-to-the-wall damage turns that we currently see from the class.
My .02 cents.
Not that long ago the only Warlock deck, playable in standard (Pain Zoo) was nerefd (Darkglare got hit) because of Wild reasons, which made him disappear from the meta completely until next expansion. So you know, "Blizzard's logic" I guess...
The only card that stands out to me that something needs to be done with is Blade Dance. Obviously that’s a Soul DH card but I’m assuming you’re including this in your complaint as you mentioned the 6/6, which doesn’t get played in the more traditional aggro deck.
The card is absurdly overpowered. It single-handedly destroys board based decks and a fast burn deck shouldn’t have strong cheap board clears in my opinion.
It's crazy to think that there are people out there who thinks DH is a balanced and fun class to play against. And then I play ladder, see how many DH's are playing and then remember you are all playing demon hunter
Of course DH has to be nerfed. Those who claim they can defeat them easily with deck adjusting are just saying bullshit. No way you can beat DH with Warlock consistently even with deck tuned to beat aggro. You just can't.
Started to climb the NA ladder again today, and now I am convinced DH needs nerfs.
Over half my games are DH - either aggro or soul.
I'm sick of it. Aggro is brutal - entire games are over by turn 4. It just feels awful.
Soul is also ridiculous. Blade Dance is the primary target for a nerf, but that stupid Bladed Lady is also pissing me off.
Don't forget DH also has silence from a 1 mana spell and Kayn.
The meta needs diversity. I have seen one warlock, zero Druids, one Priest, two Warriors, and one Mage. A few Paladins. 90% of my games are DH, Shaman, or Hunter.
I imagine Control Warrior will be more popular soon, which is also depressing, but what do we expect when this DH junk is everywhere?
How much a class need to be over represented in ladder to finally the necessary nerfs can be done? I have almost 50% of my matchs being DH in a game with 10 classes.
What they waiting to completely shatter this cursed class with nerf hammer?
I mean you poke fun at "boring control decks" but I personally don't see how an aggro deck in which you just throw your cards at the opponent's face as quickly as possible solely based on having the mana to do it is any fun either.
Just my opinion on the main reason someone QQ's over players QQ'ing over aggro.
3 mana and destroy the weapon seems fairer.
Plus make the hero power 2 mana again. No clue why that remains 1 mana with the amount of tempo/damage they already possess.
Speaking of kayn... I can understand Kayn ignoring taunts... but why in the world do all his allies need to ignore taunts too? Make that change and Kayn is balanced. They push enough face damage and board presence already.
Kayn is not a problem. Creatures in best DH which is Sould DH, are irrelevant, they are just spells which enhance his hero attack. And this is the real problem - heroes ability to attack is better and better, yet there are no real counters to it, especially for control decks.
Kayn is a win condition for aggressive demon hunter decks. I'd rather personally they up him to a 5 mana 4/4 than remove his ability to end the game.
And Blade Dance isn't based on Illidan's weapon. He can use blade dance without a weapon. Maybe they could change it to instead be 2 mana, deal damage equal to his *weapon* damage instead. Since he doesn't actually buff his weapon's damage, that would mean it would be limited to like 4 damage at most as an AoE.
I think that'd be a lot less interesting, and just upping it to 4 mana might be better if it is that broken (though I think 3 is fair).
Nerf to Blade dance is a must
DH has literally everything in his Soul Fragment deck, but nerfs won't happen before world championship.
We need nerfs generally for aggro and some buffs for controll. I still feel like lack of healing for some classes is a gigantic problem.
So mainly you are a n00b that can only play brainless decks such as aggro DH or face hunter and dont want your autoplay nerd deck to be nerf right?
Cause mage isnt a f2p deck so guys that are crying because they "cant play this game without paying" cant be privated of his brainless cheap deck
Who’s QQing? Not me. I’m pointing out that when people cry over “X” deck type, they are usually the players that play decks that can’t beat it. Can’t stand aggro? Concede or play anti-aggro and take your lumps vs. other decks. HS is one big game of Rock Paper Scissors.
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Those are usually the main excuses some aggro player try to defend their broken and lame deck with. You just need to check the win rate: aggro dh is at almost 60%, its biggest nemesis is soul dh
There is no control deck that can handle this much damage, especially when there is nothing to remove because dh just punches you in the face for 15dmg
I haven't lost to DH in a week, playing from Plat 5 to Diamond 5. They don't seem to be nearly as prolific as posts on here suggest, and generally they just fold to any semblence of board control or better tempo. I've had good results with Pure Paladin and Evolve Shaman.