Nah, I work pro bono where dishonest videos are concerned.
A a pro bono defender of corporations, you are quite the individual.
Another question for you, If a corporation owns a patent on a technology that has been demonstrated to increase revenue but does not use it, do the shareholders have a legitimate grievance?
I didn't defend Blizzard for one single second. I didn't say anything that remotely suggested Blizzard was innocent in this issue. I simply showed where the video creator lied about the document he was showing. That isn't defending Blizzard.
On the real, though, I have defended indigent clients without pay more times than I can count.
As to your question, it depends on what reason is given for not using the patent. If a reasonable argument can be made that another aspect of the business would be harmed, such as goodwill toward the corporation or general reputation in the market, then no, the shareholders would have no grounds for a complaint.
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Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
this is taking away from the intent of the thread, creating a diversion, just like a blizzard shadow puppet would do.
lol. I didn't divert the thread from anywhere and Shadowrisen certainly didn't either. YOU DID! And so did popeye, with your rather insane focus on how long people make their posts and how "smartass" they sound. For the love of god, look at the thread. You were literally the first person to start this ridiculous detour.
I've just kind of gone with the "blizzard spy" rhetoric, because when I point out that I haven't said a word in defense of Blizzard, they just ignore it. But, the difference between not knowing a thing and arguing that a thing is not true is night and day.
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Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
Nah, I work pro bono where dishonest videos are concerned.
A a pro bono defender of corporations, you are quite the individual.
Another question for you, If a corporation owns a patent on a technology that has been demonstrated to increase revenue but does not use it, do the shareholders have a legitimate grievance?
I didn't defend Blizzard for one single second. I didn't say anything that remotely suggested Blizzard was innocent in this issue. I simply showed where the video creator lied about the document he was showing. That isn't defending Blizzard.
On the real, though, I have defended indigent clients without pay more times than I can count.
As to your question, it depends on what reason is given for not using the patent. If a reasonable argument can be made that another aspect of the business would be harmed, such as goodwill toward the corporation or general reputation in the market, then no, the shareholders would have no grounds for a complaint.
I would argue that we are past the point of good will, between the blitzchung incident and this rewards path debacle, blizzard no longer seems to care about the perception of long term fans. Perhaps we are just a vocal minority and insignificant to the big picture, and those trying to force change from blizzard truly are just tilting at windmills.
I was going to try to link to a previous post where I laid out the reasons I do believe that blizzard does engage in the standard practices of many other f2p games to monetize their product, but I am getting an error when I try to look up old posts, perhaps I will try to link to it another time.
I do have one more question, and I must say you do answer questions well, Do you think Blizzards acquisition of King is a significant piece of circumstantial evidence in the discussion of whether or not blizzard engages in manipulative tactics to induce spending?
I've just kind of gone with the "blizzard spy" rhetoric, because when I point out that I haven't said a word in defense of Blizzard, they just ignore it. But, the difference between not knowing a thing and arguing that a thing is not true is night and day.
you really need to work on shortening your sentences, even a narcissist must be able to understand that.
Maybe I'm not well-enough versed in King Digital's history, but I don't know the answer to that. I mean, Candy Crush is one of the most successful mobile games, and in general, the mobile sector is the worst when it comes to monetization practices. But I don't know specifics from King Digital.
As to the poor state of goodwill to the Blizzard brand, it will be interesting to see. For many years, because of the nostalgia attached to titles like Warcraft and Diablo, Blizzard could do no wrong in the eyes of the gaming media. But ever since Activision bought it, Blizzard has lost its favored status and become just another corporation.
One thing I will say is that no matter how sleazy the manipulative practices have gotten in microtransactions, time gating, and other such, there is usually a reasonable degree of transparency. It's as if the companies know that the majority of their player base will either not care enough to research, or play the game regardless of the sleaze. And while you could say the same about Hearthstone players, given all the stuff they do out in the open, I just find it at least highly questionable to believe that they decide to overlay an entire rigging system and not cop to it. I don't know enough about programming to look at the code and tell myself, but it seems like someone would have been able to datamine it by now.
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Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
I've just kind of gone with the "blizzard spy" rhetoric, because when I point out that I haven't said a word in defense of Blizzard, they just ignore it. But, the difference between not knowing a thing and arguing that a thing is not true is night and day.
you really need to work on shortening your sentences, even a narcissist must be able to understand that.
it's two sentences over three lines, dude. Jesus, how spastic are you that you can't read for 5 seconds without getting bothered?
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Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
Maybe I'm not well-enough versed in King Digital's history, but I don't know the answer to that. I mean, Candy Crush is one of the most successful mobile games, and in general, the mobile sector is the worst when it comes to monetization practices. But I don't know specifics from King Digital.
As to the poor state of goodwill to the Blizzard brand, it will be interesting to see. For many years, because of the nostalgia attached to titles like Warcraft and Diablo, Blizzard could do no wrong in the eyes of the gaming media. But ever since Activision bought it, Blizzard has lost its favored status and become just another corporation.
One thing I will say is that no matter how sleazy the manipulative practices have gotten in microtransactions, time gating, and other such, there is usually a reasonable degree of transparency. It's as if the companies know that the majority of their player base will either not care enough to research, or play the game regardless of the sleaze. And while you could say the same about Hearthstone players, given all the stuff they do out in the open, I just find it at least highly questionable to believe that they decide to overlay an entire rigging system and not cop to it. I don't know enough about programming to look at the code and tell myself, but it seems like someone would have been able to datamine it by now.
I don't know how easy or hard it would be, I already have given too much time to this discussion and my holiday weekend is coming to a close. It would be interesting if a trusted third party were to do the research and present the findings. But given the way blizzard hides their data, that may be easier said than done.
I still find it amusing that the new card 'bug' still exists ever since the new card feature was used to confirm that blizzard packs were manipulated against the players. This was the last time I remember anything being 'confirmed'. And blizzard actually gave out free packs as a result.
As for king, there was quite a bit of controversy a few years back when it was discovered that king had built frustration plateaus into their game in order to induce spending. However, I still see people playing crush games all the time, I look at them the same way I look at people who buy lottery tickets.
I long ago reached the acceptance stage of grief in regards to my relationship with hearthstone. I took it for what it was, nothing to be taken seriously, the most recent change which I believe will take away my ability to enjoy expansion releases, likely signals the end for me, I am sure I will not be missed by blizzard.
I do however remember how I felt when I first saw the manipulations happening, the questioning, the doubt, the frustration. I mainly post to help others through that process. It seems wrong to me that a product marketed to children could engage in these practices. But as long as there are people like you to defend them, I suppose it won't change.
Maybe I'm not well-enough versed in King Digital's history, but I don't know the answer to that. I mean, Candy Crush is one of the most successful mobile games, and in general, the mobile sector is the worst when it comes to monetization practices. But I don't know specifics from King Digital.
As to the poor state of goodwill to the Blizzard brand, it will be interesting to see. For many years, because of the nostalgia attached to titles like Warcraft and Diablo, Blizzard could do no wrong in the eyes of the gaming media. But ever since Activision bought it, Blizzard has lost its favored status and become just another corporation.
One thing I will say is that no matter how sleazy the manipulative practices have gotten in microtransactions, time gating, and other such, there is usually a reasonable degree of transparency. It's as if the companies know that the majority of their player base will either not care enough to research, or play the game regardless of the sleaze. And while you could say the same about Hearthstone players, given all the stuff they do out in the open, I just find it at least highly questionable to believe that they decide to overlay an entire rigging system and not cop to it. I don't know enough about programming to look at the code and tell myself, but it seems like someone would have been able to datamine it by now.
I don't know how easy or hard it would be, I already have given too much time to this discussion and my holiday weekend is coming to a close. It would be interesting if a trusted third party were to do the research and present the findings. But given the way blizzard hides their data, that may be easier said than done.
I still find it amusing that the new card 'bug' still exists ever since the new card feature was used to confirm that blizzard packs were manipulated against the players. This was the last time I remember anything being 'confirmed'. And blizzard actually gave out free packs as a result.
As for king, there was quite a bit of controversy a few years back when it was discovered that king had built frustration plateaus into their game in order to induce spending. However, I still see people playing crush games all the time, I look at them the same way I look at people who buy lottery tickets.
I long ago reached the acceptance stage of grief in regards to my relationship with hearthstone. I took it for what it was, nothing to be taken seriously, the most recent change which I believe will take away my ability to enjoy expansion releases, likely signals the end for me, I am sure I will not be missed by blizzard.
I do however remember how I felt when I first saw the manipulations happening, the questioning, the doubt, the frustration. I mainly post to help others through that process. It seems wrong to me that a product marketed to children could engage in these practices. But as long as there are people like you to defend them, I suppose it won't change.
Well, we clearly can't have a conversation if your attention span is that limited. I tried.
Sorry for those of you following this thread; not sure why I went on that long with either of these guys, but I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt that they actually want to talk about the topic at hand. Sometimes it pays off. Most of the time, it's wasted time.
I appreciate the thoughtful back and forth with 3nnu1, I realize you don't agree with me and for some reason you think my profession is a mark of a bad person, but at least you respond to what I write and not something completely different. I really didn't think the video had a lot good to contribute to the subject, and I hate when folks take the word of a content creator. Most people aren't going to read over the guy's shoulder and notice when he misstates the document.
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Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
Well, I wish I had seen your last post before finishing my last, 3nnu1. I don't understand why you continue to say I'm defending Blizzard. I invite you to give me one example from this thread. I don't think it exists, but if you disagree, I'd love to hear it.
You may be absolutely correct about King. I don't know.
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" It's in all modes, Standard, Wild, Arena, Brawl, Duels. Everywhere I get spammed with Priests, it is ridiculous. Also, no, I just cannot bother, I despise the class. I cannot stand it. It is too disgusting for me to play against, I have done more than enough in the past, I refuse to any longer."
-I will agree that wild is full of them and has been since KoFT, but in Arena I'm just facing DH to the max and I think that Standard should have more DH, Hunter and Rouge. Have you tried running a decktracker or something? Then you will know that's it's not just your hatred that exaggerates the numbers. I can tell since I hate playing against priest as well ;)
-As for the video. As stated. Match making is highly controlled by ratings. For collections, my impression is that the meta will always make certain cards dominate. For card draw luck and wins... It's a tricky one and the only nasty one imo. In principal they could rig every game without us noticing. Sometimes my friend and I joked about Ben Brode watching your games and giving you the perfect RNG in the last second. Thou I play backgammon too and I'm always lucky against the same guy XD double rolls all the way. I did try to make a deck with my two new Hunter legends and I lost like 5 games in a row until I made a new version that so far has a 65%WR in wild legend, so I'm not sure about the honeymoon thing
" It's in all modes, Standard, Wild, Arena, Brawl, Duels. Everywhere I get spammed with Priests, it is ridiculous. Also, no, I just cannot bother, I despise the class. I cannot stand it. It is too disgusting for me to play against, I have done more than enough in the past, I refuse to any longer."
-I will agree that wild is full of them and has been since KoFT, but in Arena I'm just facing DH to the max and I think that Standard should have more DH, Hunter and Rouge. Have you tried running a decktracker or something? Then you will know that's it's not just your hatred that exaggerates the numbers. I can tell since I hate playing against priest as well ;)
-As for the video. As stated. Match making is highly controlled by ratings. For collections, my impression is that the meta will always make certain cards dominate. For card draw luck and wins... It's a tricky one and the only nasty one imo. In principal they could rig every game without us noticing. Sometimes my friend and I joked about Ben Brode watching your games and giving you the perfect RNG in the last second. Thou I play backgammon too and I'm always lucky against the same guy XD double rolls all the way. I did try to make a deck with my two new Hunter legends and I lost like 5 games in a row until I made a new version that so far has a 65%WR in wild legend, so I'm not sure about the honeymoon thing
maybe you are on the honeymoon but simply too bad to use the favored rng prober no matter how much blizzard is trying to make you win
I didn't defend Blizzard for one single second. I didn't say anything that remotely suggested Blizzard was innocent in this issue. I simply showed where the video creator lied about the document he was showing. That isn't defending Blizzard.
On the real, though, I have defended indigent clients without pay more times than I can count.
As to your question, it depends on what reason is given for not using the patent. If a reasonable argument can be made that another aspect of the business would be harmed, such as goodwill toward the corporation or general reputation in the market, then no, the shareholders would have no grounds for a complaint.
Helpful Clarification on Forbidden Topics for Hearthstone Forums:
Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
lol. I didn't divert the thread from anywhere and Shadowrisen certainly didn't either. YOU DID! And so did popeye, with your rather insane focus on how long people make their posts and how "smartass" they sound. For the love of god, look at the thread. You were literally the first person to start this ridiculous detour.
ill admit I was trolling lol sry :p
well at least you could share some of the Blizzard spy money with me to show that you really mean it XD
I've just kind of gone with the "blizzard spy" rhetoric, because when I point out that I haven't said a word in defense of Blizzard, they just ignore it. But, the difference between not knowing a thing and arguing that a thing is not true is night and day.
Helpful Clarification on Forbidden Topics for Hearthstone Forums:
Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
I would argue that we are past the point of good will, between the blitzchung incident and this rewards path debacle, blizzard no longer seems to care about the perception of long term fans. Perhaps we are just a vocal minority and insignificant to the big picture, and those trying to force change from blizzard truly are just tilting at windmills.
I was going to try to link to a previous post where I laid out the reasons I do believe that blizzard does engage in the standard practices of many other f2p games to monetize their product, but I am getting an error when I try to look up old posts, perhaps I will try to link to it another time.
I do have one more question, and I must say you do answer questions well, Do you think Blizzards acquisition of King is a significant piece of circumstantial evidence in the discussion of whether or not blizzard engages in manipulative tactics to induce spending?
you really need to work on shortening your sentences, even a narcissist must be able to understand that.
Maybe I'm not well-enough versed in King Digital's history, but I don't know the answer to that. I mean, Candy Crush is one of the most successful mobile games, and in general, the mobile sector is the worst when it comes to monetization practices. But I don't know specifics from King Digital.
As to the poor state of goodwill to the Blizzard brand, it will be interesting to see. For many years, because of the nostalgia attached to titles like Warcraft and Diablo, Blizzard could do no wrong in the eyes of the gaming media. But ever since Activision bought it, Blizzard has lost its favored status and become just another corporation.
One thing I will say is that no matter how sleazy the manipulative practices have gotten in microtransactions, time gating, and other such, there is usually a reasonable degree of transparency. It's as if the companies know that the majority of their player base will either not care enough to research, or play the game regardless of the sleaze. And while you could say the same about Hearthstone players, given all the stuff they do out in the open, I just find it at least highly questionable to believe that they decide to overlay an entire rigging system and not cop to it. I don't know enough about programming to look at the code and tell myself, but it seems like someone would have been able to datamine it by now.
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Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
it's two sentences over three lines, dude. Jesus, how spastic are you that you can't read for 5 seconds without getting bothered?
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Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
you get the same amount of time like anyone els, sorry if that hurts your narcissist ego
I don't know how easy or hard it would be, I already have given too much time to this discussion and my holiday weekend is coming to a close. It would be interesting if a trusted third party were to do the research and present the findings. But given the way blizzard hides their data, that may be easier said than done.
I still find it amusing that the new card 'bug' still exists ever since the new card feature was used to confirm that blizzard packs were manipulated against the players. This was the last time I remember anything being 'confirmed'. And blizzard actually gave out free packs as a result.
As for king, there was quite a bit of controversy a few years back when it was discovered that king had built frustration plateaus into their game in order to induce spending. However, I still see people playing crush games all the time, I look at them the same way I look at people who buy lottery tickets.
I long ago reached the acceptance stage of grief in regards to my relationship with hearthstone. I took it for what it was, nothing to be taken seriously, the most recent change which I believe will take away my ability to enjoy expansion releases, likely signals the end for me, I am sure I will not be missed by blizzard.
I do however remember how I felt when I first saw the manipulations happening, the questioning, the doubt, the frustration. I mainly post to help others through that process. It seems wrong to me that a product marketed to children could engage in these practices. But as long as there are people like you to defend them, I suppose it won't change.
mind shortening this down to 2-3 sentences???
Well, we clearly can't have a conversation if your attention span is that limited. I tried.
Sorry for those of you following this thread; not sure why I went on that long with either of these guys, but I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt that they actually want to talk about the topic at hand. Sometimes it pays off. Most of the time, it's wasted time.
I appreciate the thoughtful back and forth with 3nnu1, I realize you don't agree with me and for some reason you think my profession is a mark of a bad person, but at least you respond to what I write and not something completely different. I really didn't think the video had a lot good to contribute to the subject, and I hate when folks take the word of a content creator. Most people aren't going to read over the guy's shoulder and notice when he misstates the document.
Helpful Clarification on Forbidden Topics for Hearthstone Forums:
Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
Well, I wish I had seen your last post before finishing my last, 3nnu1. I don't understand why you continue to say I'm defending Blizzard. I invite you to give me one example from this thread. I don't think it exists, but if you disagree, I'd love to hear it.
You may be absolutely correct about King. I don't know.
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Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
back at it again trying to make people read his narcissistic novels
excuse me double posting but I had to add, shadowrisen is like a soundcloud rapper trying to make people listen to his mixtape lol
" It's in all modes, Standard, Wild, Arena, Brawl, Duels. Everywhere I get spammed with Priests, it is ridiculous. Also, no, I just cannot bother, I despise the class. I cannot stand it. It is too disgusting for me to play against, I have done more than enough in the past, I refuse to any longer."
-I will agree that wild is full of them and has been since KoFT, but in Arena I'm just facing DH to the max and I think that Standard should have more DH, Hunter and Rouge. Have you tried running a decktracker or something? Then you will know that's it's not just your hatred that exaggerates the numbers. I can tell since I hate playing against priest as well ;)
-As for the video. As stated. Match making is highly controlled by ratings. For collections, my impression is that the meta will always make certain cards dominate. For card draw luck and wins... It's a tricky one and the only nasty one imo. In principal they could rig every game without us noticing. Sometimes my friend and I joked about Ben Brode watching your games and giving you the perfect RNG in the last second. Thou I play backgammon too and I'm always lucky against the same guy XD double rolls all the way. I did try to make a deck with my two new Hunter legends and I lost like 5 games in a row until I made a new version that so far has a 65%WR in wild legend, so I'm not sure about the honeymoon thing
maybe you are on the honeymoon but simply too bad to use the favored rng prober no matter how much blizzard is trying to make you win
Could be they just delayed it or the first version was just beyond shitty XD
But I would never accuse Blizzard of ever being dishonest. They are the best people on earth! Now please give me a golden legendary in my next pack :P
I agree blizzard people are good people
golden legendary plox