If you want to find the culprit, don't look at Blizzard - look at the community. At the people wishing to spend ridiculous amounts of money, while being blatantly milked. Blizzard and every other company does only as much as their customers allow them to get away with. Blame Blizzard for using the opportunity to earn more money? It's just hypocritical, every one of us would use an opportunity to earn more money. Blame the playerbase!
Finally someone gets it!
Hearthstone has become expensive because people were willing to pay so much money ALL THIS TIME. If Blizzard saw that nobody was getting anything, re-evaluate their milking policies.
If I was a company owner I would milk my customers as much as I could do without losing them. In fact every reasonable person would do this and does it.
For a company the main goal is always maximizing the profits. Granted, there is always a threshold above which trying to milk the customers doesn't actually work, because you overdid it and lost too many customers. But believe me, it was thoroughly calculated and they know how much they can push the community.
I personally of course don't like it. Not at all. But I understand this is how the business works. It's not charity. I wouldn't give anything away for free as a company owner, you wouldn't do it and neither does Blizzard. It's easy to bash them for being greedy and I myself would love the reality to be different, but it just isn't.
If you want to find the culprit, don't look at Blizzard - look at the community. At the people wishing to spend ridiculous amounts of money, while being blatantly milked. Blizzard and every other company does only as much as their customers allow them to get away with. Blame Blizzard for using the opportunity to earn more money? It's just hypocritical, every one of us would use an opportunity to earn more money. Blame the playerbase!
I think you are right, that is why I seek to educate the community to blizzards practices and to poke holes in the lies of the people defending such practices. Because that might encourage blizzard to stop fucking over the playerbase.
The battle pass not being included at least in the mega bundle is absurd. Blizzard are going to milk HS while they still can for the next 18 months, by which point everyone will be pissed off and then they'll start winding it down in 2022.
I’m wondering if people who are complaining about paying for things (it’s not only pc games, but also movies, music etc) would be happy if their employer would tell them: "you know what, it’s not fair that we want money from our clients, we are being too greedy. Our products will be free, so you won’t be recieving any salary from now".
People who want everything for free are idiots I agree. People who play for free are still customers though, and once again Blizzard have blatently lied. It's pretty much a stone cold fact that the new battle pass is worse than the old gold system. This is not good customer service.
Also as someone who has put money into every expansion for the last 2/3 years and defended the fact that it's fair that people should pay to keep the game healthy, in my opinion, having a battle pass AND selling 2 expensive bundles that get you nowhere near owning all the content (even if you buy both) is just pure greed. The game is now going into milking overdrive.
People who want to pay thousands for everything are idiots. There is a middle ground where you get your moneys worth, and sadly Hearthstone ain't that way.
Can we lock these threads sooner? It's always the same discussion, and it devolves into nothing more than people not spending money on Hearthstone ridiculing those who do, and vice versa.
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Playing meme decks/characters does not entitle you to call a meta bad.
I think that what made this situation worse is the fact that Blizzard LIED. They said there will be more rewards, more gold for most players but it is absolutely not, players now get like 2000 gold less per expansion period and that is a HUGE difference.
I think they could've been honest about it. I understand that a company wants to make money. But, they don't have to ruin their reputation while doing so. They should've said something like: this is our new system, we are going to implement that. That's it. No need to lie about whether the system is more rewarding or not.
Can we lock these threads sooner? It's always the same discussion, and it devolves into nothing more than people not spending money on Hearthstone ridiculing those who do, and vice versa.
Just don't read and get out dude. Ppl are trying to be heard here and most of us don't like the new system. If u're not willing to be part of the discussion, F* off. Go to your low ladder play or smth if u don't like the thread. Just don't come here to say anything useful.
Can we lock these threads sooner? It's always the same discussion, and it devolves into nothing more than people not spending money on Hearthstone ridiculing those who do, and vice versa.
Just don't read and get out dude. Ppl are trying to be heard here and most of us don't like the new system. If u're not willing to be part of the discussion, F* off. Go to your low ladder play or smth if u don't like the thread. Just don't come here to say anything useful.
Funny of you to make assumptions about me as a player of Hearthstone. It shows your incompetence of adding anything of use, which is irony at its finest.
We've had dozens of the same threads these past few days. If you want to add something, do it in one of those threads. The 'just don't read it' argument is getting old, to be honest. These days, there isn't anything else to read as all these threads take up the highlighted thread window on the homepage. My comment was useful to the discussion, because I want others to read what it does to those who simply want to play the game, and enjoy a forum that should be about more than one topic being repeated endlessly.
But alas, you might be right. I should've simply reported it.
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Playing meme decks/characters does not entitle you to call a meta bad.
The sad part is, they will change the system if they face to much backslash to its original form and people will install Hearthstone again. Until they try the next shit again. 9000xp for 1 year of the dragon pack is the last nail in the coffin.
I did not reinstall the game KEKW. It's not only about gold, it's about time commitment.
I love how accurate the meme is, because they really are that predictable, removing the worthless end of track packs and adding pure gold. I'm sure as the meme said that this was always the plan all along. Go ubergreedy at start and then when then natural outrage appears go take a step back and go only very greedy and people will concede.
If I was a company owner I would milk my customers as much as I could do without losing them. In fact every reasonable person would do this and does it.
For a company the main goal is always maximizing the profits. Granted, there is always a threshold above which trying to milk the customers doesn't actually work, because you overdid it and lost too many customers. But believe me, it was thoroughly calculated and they know how much they can push the community.
I personally of course don't like it. Not at all. But I understand this is how the business works. It's not charity. I wouldn't give anything away for free as a company owner, you wouldn't do it and neither does Blizzard. It's easy to bash them for being greedy and I myself would love the reality to be different, but it just isn't.
If you want to find the culprit, don't look at Blizzard - look at the community. At the people wishing to spend ridiculous amounts of money, while being blatantly milked. Blizzard and every other company does only as much as their customers allow them to get away with. Blame Blizzard for using the opportunity to earn more money? It's just hypocritical, every one of us would use an opportunity to earn more money. Blame the playerbase!
I think you are right, that is why I seek to educate the community to blizzards practices and to poke holes in the lies of the people defending such practices. Because that might encourage blizzard to stop fucking over the playerbase.
Well no, that's just being condescending if you're talking to adults who are fully aware they are spending money, what they are getting and why.
I don't need an Internet nobody to try and advise me not to buy a pre order, just like I don't stand outside Starbucks and try to convince people about to go in that it's a waste of their money, Starbucks are a terrible company, you can get coffee cheaper elsewhere etc.
Everyone needs to stop trying to impose what their subjective views are onto other people. I don't give two shits if you like spending money on hearthstone or whether you think it's good value. You do you. If its a lot of money to you, fine, it isn't to me so your opinion is irrelevant.
You aren't 'educating' anybody, it's absolutely none of your business.
You lot think Hearthstone is expensive? Go and look at what some people dump into gambling or even Fifa Ultimate Team. Now I mention it, you lot would lost your minds over Ultimate Team. People regularly and comfortably spend thousands on that and that's a title that renews every year, so assuming you get the latest one each year, ever single penny you spent the year before? Completely gone. At least with Hearthstone you have wild and keep your cards etc.
Hearthstone is peanuts compared to Ultimate Team and yes, if you go on their forum you can pretty much just copy and paste all of the complaints from this thread. You aren't special, Blizzard isn't unique, you just need to grow up and accept that if other people want to spend money on something they enjoy then they are going to do it.
Actually, the more I think about it, Hearthstone is absolute small fry when compared to Ultimate Team. It costs significantly less and is at least capped in terms of there's a max you can actually spend every year and have no content left to purchase. Fifa only lasts 12 months per cycle and is completely uncapped. You can (and people do) spend thousands, even tens of thousands, every year on those virtual card packs. Not to mention to keep up in the competitive mode you have to qualify every week and play 30 games within a 3 day period in order to qualify for regular rewards. For context, those games take around 15/20 minutes each, plus time spent in between. So the Weekend League requires a good 10+ hours time commitment every weekend if you want to keep up with rewards. There are no monthly rewards and new cards are released every single week so if you want the latest versions, you are constantly cycling your team and having to upgrade to new cards.
They have no pity timers, christ, wouldn't that be great?
Hearthstone is seriously casual in comparison. I'm able to play almost exclusively on my mobile, put in less than an hour per day and manage to maintain a good sized collection with the smaller pre order bundle. Hearthstone is very much my casual game, I buy the small bundle each expansion and have 29k dust, pretty much any deck I've ever wanted to really play and whilst I don't hit legend due to time constraints, don't struggle getting into the diamond 1-5 ranks.
You should count yourselves lucky, Blizzard really aren't that bad.
Actually, the more I think about it, Hearthstone is absolute small fry when compared to Ultimate Team. It costs significantly less and is at least capped in terms of there's a max you can actually spend every year and have no content left to purchase. Fifa only lasts 12 months per cycle and is completely uncapped. You can (and people do) spend thousands, even tens of thousands, every year on those virtual card packs. Not to mention to keep up in the competitive mode you have to qualify every week and play 30 games within a 3 day period in order to qualify for regular rewards. For context, those games take around 15/20 minutes each, plus time spent in between. So the Weekend League requires a good 10+ hours time commitment every weekend if you want to keep up with rewards. There are no monthly rewards and new cards are released every single week so if you want the latest versions, you are constantly cycling your team and having to upgrade to new cards.
They have no pity timers, christ, wouldn't that be great?
Hearthstone is seriously casual in comparison. I'm able to play almost exclusively on my mobile, put in less than an hour per day and manage to maintain a good sized collection with the smaller pre order bundle. Hearthstone is very much my casual game, I buy the small bundle each expansion and have 29k dust, pretty much any deck I've ever wanted to really play and whilst I don't hit legend due to time constraints, don't struggle getting into the diamond 1-5 ranks.
You should count yourselves lucky, Blizzard really aren't that bad.
Totally agree. FIFA (EA) is unashamed of it's pure greed. I don't think anyone in the FIFA community is oblivious to that fact though (apart from the 11 year olds maxing out their parents credit cards). FIFA is also guaranteed to sell millions every year as it pretty much holds a monopoly over representing the most popular past time in the world (I was a PES fan growing up, sad times) so requires pretty much none of the goodwill of the community I think HS needs to survive in a healthy state. EA can get away with lying because they've done it so many times and got away with it people don't expect anything less. I don't think Blizz have the same cushion to fall back on once they've finished eroding all the goodwill in the HS community.
If I was a company owner I would milk my customers as much as I could do without losing them. In fact every reasonable person would do this and does it.
For a company the main goal is always maximizing the profits. Granted, there is always a threshold above which trying to milk the customers doesn't actually work, because you overdid it and lost too many customers. But believe me, it was thoroughly calculated and they know how much they can push the community.
I personally of course don't like it. Not at all. But I understand this is how the business works. It's not charity. I wouldn't give anything away for free as a company owner, you wouldn't do it and neither does Blizzard. It's easy to bash them for being greedy and I myself would love the reality to be different, but it just isn't.
If you want to find the culprit, don't look at Blizzard - look at the community. At the people wishing to spend ridiculous amounts of money, while being blatantly milked. Blizzard and every other company does only as much as their customers allow them to get away with. Blame Blizzard for using the opportunity to earn more money? It's just hypocritical, every one of us would use an opportunity to earn more money. Blame the playerbase!
I think you are right, that is why I seek to educate the community to blizzards practices and to poke holes in the lies of the people defending such practices. Because that might encourage blizzard to stop fucking over the playerbase.
Well no, that's just being condescending if you're talking to adults who are fully aware they are spending money, what they are getting and why.
I don't need an Internet nobody to try and advise me not to buy a pre order, just like I don't stand outside Starbucks and try to convince people about to go in that it's a waste of their money, Starbucks are a terrible company, you can get coffee cheaper elsewhere etc.
Everyone needs to stop trying to impose what their subjective views are onto other people. I don't give two shits if you like spending money on hearthstone or whether you think it's good value. You do you. If its a lot of money to you, fine, it isn't to me so your opinion is irrelevant.
You aren't 'educating' anybody, it's absolutely none of your business.
You lot think Hearthstone is expensive? Go and look at what some people dump into gambling or even Fifa Ultimate Team. Now I mention it, you lot would lost your minds over Ultimate Team. People regularly and comfortably spend thousands on that and that's a title that renews every year, so assuming you get the latest one each year, ever single penny you spent the year before? Completely gone. At least with Hearthstone you have wild and keep your cards etc.
Hearthstone is peanuts compared to Ultimate Team and yes, if you go on their forum you can pretty much just copy and paste all of the complaints from this thread. You aren't special, Blizzard isn't unique, you just need to grow up and accept that if other people want to spend money on something they enjoy then they are going to do it.
Wow, your arguments are pretty funny. Do you think an objective reader would buy into a single thing you are saying. It boils down to 'I don't like it when you say bad things about hearthstone' and 'I found a worse game'. Were you satisfied with that post?
Pointing out BLizzard's lies and manipulations is a benefit to the community. It is the only way we might spark some change. Otherwise the game will continue to blead players and you will have a few whales left playing against bots.
I have no problems with them wanting to make money. I have preordered most expansions when I actively play. In my opinion it was a little expensive at 50 euro, 80 is way too much. 50 is already a full AAA game. I think it's hard to argue that the effort that goes into a Hearthstone expansion is comparable to most full games. It's fair they want to be compensated for their efforts, I just don't understand why the compensation/effort invested should be so much higher for Hearthstone. Apart from the fact that they think they can charge that of course. I think they're wrong, and it's going to hurt them and the game in the long run.
I've always defended Blizz's right to maximize profits, but I'm now at a point where I even feel my dollars are being abused.
It's not just the whales making things difficult. There is absolutely a correlation with price gouging to off set the horde of players that don't make Blizzard a single penny. Blizzard isn't the only one taking advantage of the money paying base. (I also acknowledge that Blizzard would still try to maximize profit even if every player spent money.)
So it's suggested that they paying base boycott Blizzard. Make them see they went too far as to what's acceptable. Make them change their pricing habits and reward system. There is definitely some merit in that thinking, but I still can't help but realize that much of this crying going on is to get the paying players up in arms to force Blizzard to fix things that ultimately benefits F2P players more. Then they can go right back to not spending a dime on the game while enjoying the benefits of a paying customer.
One thing is for sure. At the end of this expansion, I'm gonna reevaluate just what my entertainment dollar is buying me, and weigh it against other options I'm gonna research out. I quit this game once before for 3 years, I can do it again. Might be time to go back to stand alone RPG's where I don't have to deal with rude players.
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Finally someone gets it!
Hearthstone has become expensive because people were willing to pay so much money ALL THIS TIME. If Blizzard saw that nobody was getting anything, re-evaluate their milking policies.
Let's make this a trend. #Blamethewhales xD
I think you are right, that is why I seek to educate the community to blizzards practices and to poke holes in the lies of the people defending such practices. Because that might encourage blizzard to stop fucking over the playerbase.
The battle pass not being included at least in the mega bundle is absurd. Blizzard are going to milk HS while they still can for the next 18 months, by which point everyone will be pissed off and then they'll start winding it down in 2022.
P4dge and Chewmass are absolutely right.
I’m wondering if people who are complaining about paying for things (it’s not only pc games, but also movies, music etc) would be happy if their employer would tell them: "you know what, it’s not fair that we want money from our clients, we are being too greedy. Our products will be free, so you won’t be recieving any salary from now".
People who want everything for free are idiots I agree. People who play for free are still customers though, and once again Blizzard have blatently lied. It's pretty much a stone cold fact that the new battle pass is worse than the old gold system. This is not good customer service.
Also as someone who has put money into every expansion for the last 2/3 years and defended the fact that it's fair that people should pay to keep the game healthy, in my opinion, having a battle pass AND selling 2 expensive bundles that get you nowhere near owning all the content (even if you buy both) is just pure greed. The game is now going into milking overdrive.
People who want to pay thousands for everything are idiots. There is a middle ground where you get your moneys worth, and sadly Hearthstone ain't that way.
Can we lock these threads sooner? It's always the same discussion, and it devolves into nothing more than people not spending money on Hearthstone ridiculing those who do, and vice versa.
Playing meme decks/characters does not entitle you to call a meta bad.
I think that what made this situation worse is the fact that Blizzard LIED. They said there will be more rewards, more gold for most players but it is absolutely not, players now get like 2000 gold less per expansion period and that is a HUGE difference.
I think they could've been honest about it. I understand that a company wants to make money. But, they don't have to ruin their reputation while doing so. They should've said something like: this is our new system, we are going to implement that. That's it. No need to lie about whether the system is more rewarding or not.
"Hearthstone Needs to be your FULL TIME JOB to earn something."
Thanks, now i can leave Happy.
Just don't read and get out dude. Ppl are trying to be heard here and most of us don't like the new system. If u're not willing to be part of the discussion, F* off.
Go to your low ladder play or smth if u don't like the thread. Just don't come here to say anything useful.
Funny of you to make assumptions about me as a player of Hearthstone. It shows your incompetence of adding anything of use, which is irony at its finest.
We've had dozens of the same threads these past few days. If you want to add something, do it in one of those threads. The 'just don't read it' argument is getting old, to be honest. These days, there isn't anything else to read as all these threads take up the highlighted thread window on the homepage. My comment was useful to the discussion, because I want others to read what it does to those who simply want to play the game, and enjoy a forum that should be about more than one topic being repeated endlessly.
But alas, you might be right. I should've simply reported it.
Playing meme decks/characters does not entitle you to call a meta bad.
I think the point is that they told us battlepass was going to be better for us.
It hasnt been for me. It feels like an outright lie.
They are free to charge whatever they want just dont piss on my leg and tell me it is raining.
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I did not reinstall the game KEKW. It's not only about gold, it's about time commitment.
I love how accurate the meme is, because they really are that predictable, removing the worthless end of track packs and adding pure gold. I'm sure as the meme said that this was always the plan all along. Go ubergreedy at start and then when then natural outrage appears go take a step back and go only very greedy and people will concede.
The 1st step towards a better game is firing Mike Donais! We had enough of his "skillful" balances!
#FireMikeDonais
Well no, that's just being condescending if you're talking to adults who are fully aware they are spending money, what they are getting and why.
I don't need an Internet nobody to try and advise me not to buy a pre order, just like I don't stand outside Starbucks and try to convince people about to go in that it's a waste of their money, Starbucks are a terrible company, you can get coffee cheaper elsewhere etc.
Everyone needs to stop trying to impose what their subjective views are onto other people. I don't give two shits if you like spending money on hearthstone or whether you think it's good value. You do you. If its a lot of money to you, fine, it isn't to me so your opinion is irrelevant.
You aren't 'educating' anybody, it's absolutely none of your business.
You lot think Hearthstone is expensive? Go and look at what some people dump into gambling or even Fifa Ultimate Team. Now I mention it, you lot would lost your minds over Ultimate Team. People regularly and comfortably spend thousands on that and that's a title that renews every year, so assuming you get the latest one each year, ever single penny you spent the year before? Completely gone. At least with Hearthstone you have wild and keep your cards etc.
Hearthstone is peanuts compared to Ultimate Team and yes, if you go on their forum you can pretty much just copy and paste all of the complaints from this thread. You aren't special, Blizzard isn't unique, you just need to grow up and accept that if other people want to spend money on something they enjoy then they are going to do it.
Actually, the more I think about it, Hearthstone is absolute small fry when compared to Ultimate Team. It costs significantly less and is at least capped in terms of there's a max you can actually spend every year and have no content left to purchase. Fifa only lasts 12 months per cycle and is completely uncapped. You can (and people do) spend thousands, even tens of thousands, every year on those virtual card packs. Not to mention to keep up in the competitive mode you have to qualify every week and play 30 games within a 3 day period in order to qualify for regular rewards. For context, those games take around 15/20 minutes each, plus time spent in between. So the Weekend League requires a good 10+ hours time commitment every weekend if you want to keep up with rewards. There are no monthly rewards and new cards are released every single week so if you want the latest versions, you are constantly cycling your team and having to upgrade to new cards.
They have no pity timers, christ, wouldn't that be great?
Hearthstone is seriously casual in comparison. I'm able to play almost exclusively on my mobile, put in less than an hour per day and manage to maintain a good sized collection with the smaller pre order bundle. Hearthstone is very much my casual game, I buy the small bundle each expansion and have 29k dust, pretty much any deck I've ever wanted to really play and whilst I don't hit legend due to time constraints, don't struggle getting into the diamond 1-5 ranks.
You should count yourselves lucky, Blizzard really aren't that bad.
Totally agree. FIFA (EA) is unashamed of it's pure greed. I don't think anyone in the FIFA community is oblivious to that fact though (apart from the 11 year olds maxing out their parents credit cards). FIFA is also guaranteed to sell millions every year as it pretty much holds a monopoly over representing the most popular past time in the world (I was a PES fan growing up, sad times) so requires pretty much none of the goodwill of the community I think HS needs to survive in a healthy state. EA can get away with lying because they've done it so many times and got away with it people don't expect anything less. I don't think Blizz have the same cushion to fall back on once they've finished eroding all the goodwill in the HS community.
Wow, your arguments are pretty funny. Do you think an objective reader would buy into a single thing you are saying. It boils down to 'I don't like it when you say bad things about hearthstone' and 'I found a worse game'. Were you satisfied with that post?
Pointing out BLizzard's lies and manipulations is a benefit to the community. It is the only way we might spark some change. Otherwise the game will continue to blead players and you will have a few whales left playing against bots.
I have no problems with them wanting to make money. I have preordered most expansions when I actively play. In my opinion it was a little expensive at 50 euro, 80 is way too much. 50 is already a full AAA game. I think it's hard to argue that the effort that goes into a Hearthstone expansion is comparable to most full games. It's fair they want to be compensated for their efforts, I just don't understand why the compensation/effort invested should be so much higher for Hearthstone. Apart from the fact that they think they can charge that of course. I think they're wrong, and it's going to hurt them and the game in the long run.
This made me laugh! So many truths in a 3 minute video!
I've always defended Blizz's right to maximize profits, but I'm now at a point where I even feel my dollars are being abused.
It's not just the whales making things difficult. There is absolutely a correlation with price gouging to off set the horde of players that don't make Blizzard a single penny. Blizzard isn't the only one taking advantage of the money paying base. (I also acknowledge that Blizzard would still try to maximize profit even if every player spent money.)
So it's suggested that they paying base boycott Blizzard. Make them see they went too far as to what's acceptable. Make them change their pricing habits and reward system. There is definitely some merit in that thinking, but I still can't help but realize that much of this crying going on is to get the paying players up in arms to force Blizzard to fix things that ultimately benefits F2P players more. Then they can go right back to not spending a dime on the game while enjoying the benefits of a paying customer.
One thing is for sure. At the end of this expansion, I'm gonna reevaluate just what my entertainment dollar is buying me, and weigh it against other options I'm gonna research out. I quit this game once before for 3 years, I can do it again. Might be time to go back to stand alone RPG's where I don't have to deal with rude players.
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