thing is it's soo well written that i do hope the ppl who are responsible for this situation will realise their errors (i'm talking to u whales, it's ur willingness to give bli$$ ur money that brought us here)..
That's the last time I believe someone on this forum when they use the phrase "well-written".
By virtue of the fact that, until early 2019 I had bought just about everything there was to buy, including enough packs to have a vast majority of the playable cards in the game in gold, I can say fairly confidently that my account had one of the largest amounts of money spent in all of the player base. That's roughly $200 worth of packs every expansion plus all the extra heroes, all the adventures, and quite a bit of classic packs for gold forging dust. I suppose some people who are bad at arenas might have spent more on real money arena tickets; I generally get to a point where I can sustain myself in arena via gold.
The above link speaks of "maxing out credit cards to keep up" when I have just outlined that, again, unless you suck at arena and constantly spend real money to play it, it is basically impossible to spend more than $700 a year on this game; there is simply nothing else to buy.
No question, $700 a year on a video game is astronomically high in terms of cost of a video game, but it isn't in the same universe as "maxing out credit cards" of anyone with a job that makes use of post-high school education. In fact, it represents a fairly minuscule amount of disposable income for someone gainfully employed in the U.S.
As for the bullshit about missing phone payments and all that, I'm sure that even in the hell world of 2020, there are still people with so few real problems, the temptation to spend too much on pixels still ranks. Fortunately or not, I'm not quite so lucky, which is why, when I lost my job, I subsequently . . . and try to stay with me here, I know it's a radical concept . . . stopped . . . buying . . . Hearthstone pixels.
It took a year and some for me to find a comparable job, and during that time I broke my streak of collecting all heroes and card backs, but that was the intelligent thing to do. Now, I'm back to a spot where spending $20 on a Battle Pass is a trivial expense, so why not? Why would anyone presume to tell someone how to spend truly disposable income when financial obligations are met?
I will say, that part about not knowing what you're buying and mistaking the pass for battleground perks was worth a good laugh. As if the fact that the same screen clearly showing them as two different things wasn't enough, one has only to read the three or so lines of text describing the pass to know exactly what was included and what wasn't.
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Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
That's the last time I believe someone on this forum when they use the phrase "well-written".
By virtue of the fact that, until early 2019 I had bought just about everything there was to buy, including enough packs to have a vast majority of the playable cards in the game in gold, I can say fairly confidently that my account had one of the largest amounts of money spent in all of the player base. That's roughly $200 worth of packs every expansion plus all the extra heroes, all the adventures, and quite a bit of classic packs for gold forging dust. I suppose some people who are bad at arenas might have spent more on real money arena tickets; I generally get to a point where I can sustain myself in arena via gold.
The above link speaks of "maxing out credit cards to keep up" when I have just outlined that, again, unless you suck at arena and constantly spend real money to play it, it is basically impossible to spend more than $700 a year on this game; there is simply nothing else to buy.
No question, $700 a year on a video game is astronomically high in terms of cost of a video game, but it isn't in the same universe as "maxing out credit cards" of anyone with a job that makes use of post-high school education. In fact, it represents a fairly minuscule amount of disposable income for someone gainfully employed in the U.S.
As for the bullshit about missing phone payments and all that, I'm sure that even in the hell world of 2020, there are still people with so few real problems, the temptation to spend too much on pixels still ranks. Fortunately or not, I'm not quite so lucky, which is why, when I lost my job, I subsequently . . . and try to stay with me here, I know it's a radical concept . . . stopped . . . buying . . . Hearthstone pixels.
It took a year and some for me to find a comparable job, and during that time I broke my streak of collecting all heroes and card backs, but that was the intelligent thing to do. Now, I'm back to a spot where spending $20 on a Battle Pass is a trivial expense, so why not? Why would anyone presume to tell someone how to spend truly disposable income when financial obligations are met?
I will say, that part about not knowing what you're buying and mistaking the pass for battleground perks was worth a good laugh. As if the fact that the same screen clearly showing them as two different things wasn't enough, one has only to read the three or so lines of text describing the pass to know exactly what was included and what wasn't.
Imagine thinking spending 700 dollars on a video game that you play while you poop is a reasonable thing to do.
That's the last time I believe someone on this forum when they use the phrase "well-written".
By virtue of the fact that, until early 2019 I had bought just about everything there was to buy, including enough packs to have a vast majority of the playable cards in the game in gold, I can say fairly confidently that my account had one of the largest amounts of money spent in all of the player base. That's roughly $200 worth of packs every expansion plus all the extra heroes, all the adventures, and quite a bit of classic packs for gold forging dust. I suppose some people who are bad at arenas might have spent more on real money arena tickets; I generally get to a point where I can sustain myself in arena via gold.
The above link speaks of "maxing out credit cards to keep up" when I have just outlined that, again, unless you suck at arena and constantly spend real money to play it, it is basically impossible to spend more than $700 a year on this game; there is simply nothing else to buy.
No question, $700 a year on a video game is astronomically high in terms of cost of a video game, but it isn't in the same universe as "maxing out credit cards" of anyone with a job that makes use of post-high school education. In fact, it represents a fairly minuscule amount of disposable income for someone gainfully employed in the U.S.
As for the bullshit about missing phone payments and all that, I'm sure that even in the hell world of 2020, there are still people with so few real problems, the temptation to spend too much on pixels still ranks. Fortunately or not, I'm not quite so lucky, which is why, when I lost my job, I subsequently . . . and try to stay with me here, I know it's a radical concept . . . stopped . . . buying . . . Hearthstone pixels.
It took a year and some for me to find a comparable job, and during that time I broke my streak of collecting all heroes and card backs, but that was the intelligent thing to do. Now, I'm back to a spot where spending $20 on a Battle Pass is a trivial expense, so why not? Why would anyone presume to tell someone how to spend truly disposable income when financial obligations are met?
I will say, that part about not knowing what you're buying and mistaking the pass for battleground perks was worth a good laugh. As if the fact that the same screen clearly showing them as two different things wasn't enough, one has only to read the three or so lines of text describing the pass to know exactly what was included and what wasn't.
Imagine thinking spending 700 dollars on a video game that you play while you poop is a reasonable thing to do.
Anything you spend your money on is "reasonable" in relation to how much you have left afterwards. Some people make more than 700$ in a week, some won't make that much in a month, bills not included. I strongly disagree about the notion of how "miniscule" 700$ are if you have a "real" job, but that's a different topic. If your income allows it, and you consider it worthwhile, it's reasonable.
People might disagree about your priorities, but you are free to do with your income as you see fit, and don't need to justify any of it if your financial obligations and basic needs are met.
Not that it matters, but I can think of more questionable things to spend large sums on, like smoking.
Blizzard is switching this mature game into "milking whales" mode. More and more things will be for real money only. You will need to accept this or quit. They will care less and less for F2P until the amount of active players base drop below some threshold (not sure if this ever happen) and Whales players will wait in queue for the game annoying amount of time (for example 5 minutes or more) then Blizz change again their politics to encourage F2P to play again.
Personally I doubt it happens. I think Hearthstone is just during the final conversion process from new, fresh game with a lot of free content to get new players into "whales" game for persons which are fine to put yearly 200EUR (3 pre-orders) - 400EUR. Thats it boys :)
Im not going to defend blizzard(no need for that), but you people are complaining cause a COMPANY that offers a product tries to gain money with it?
Many people complain but since wow exist they have been paying 15 euros per month for it and since hs exist they haven been buying the expansions for a very expensive price.
"Uuuu blu$$ard you sell card packs very expensive, il keep buying them but im angry with you"
I bought once an expansion, why? Cause i wanted, i haven spend more money in hs since that, why? cause i dont want, its pretty simple.
Just chill, enjoy the game if you want and if you dont play another one, i swear it is that simple.
I've said this once and I'll say this a million times. If you don't feel like spending money on a product of the company just because it feels expensive (Standard), maybe you should consider another product of the same company which does not require you to spend yearly 200E (Wild).
What makes you think you are not wrong lol? So Standard should be a whale-only mode now? Sorry if I can't spend 1k dollars a year for a declining digital card game.
thing is it's soo well written that i do hope the ppl who are responsible for this situation will realise their errors (i'm talking to u whales, it's ur willingness to give bli$$ ur money that brought us here)..
Yeah consumers being will to give companies money is how everything works. Are you an adult? I don't mean that in a horrible way but do you like, work? Have you ever had a proper job? How much free work do you or your company do? My company don't have any free products and we rely on consumers, you know, buying stuff.... This keeps the company going and contributes to paying my wages. I need people to spend money on our products.
The naivety of free to play gamers is astounding. You don't seem to understand the world at all. Do you go the supermarket, see an offer snd kikc off because the greedy company is just trying to entice you in with offers so you spend money on other things?
Life must be so frustrating and difficult, honestly. Blizzard could come out tomorrow and say you have to pay £40 to keep your download of the game. They are well within their right to do this and you are well within your right not to pay it.
But it is THEIR product, not yours. You have zero input here, you are relying on people doing a job that has to be paid for so you can get your free packs and the game can continue. You also rely on people putting money in because without it, you would have no game and you would have to freeload off a different one but if everyone had your attitude, there would be no free games.
If you think the product is too expensive, fine, don't pay it but don't then complain about thebfree aspect. I'd fucking love a lamborghini but guess what? Lambo are greedy wankers and charge an insane amount for a car. I can buy a car for £400 if I wanted to, how dare they charge what they charge, GREED!!! No, petal, it's just their choice of product and cost. If you really don't like it then don't buy it. We literally apply this logic on an almost daily basis. I personally feel Starbucks is over priced for what it is. I don't buy it. Others do. I don't go online and complain at the whales keeping them afloat.
I am not quite convinced they have done the pricing right. 80€ for a full preorder is just far too much for what you are getting. If it were cheaper, more players would buy it. 20€ is plenty in my opinion, and DOUBLE that xp gain, please.
I have bought my last one of these things, it just makes no sense.
As a whale (having spent >2K on this game in the past 5 years) I'm out.
I was already saving gold from last expansion, I already told myself I would not purchase the next preorder (as I have way over 100 packs from the gold now) but this is it, I'm out.
It now forces me to play game modes I dislike to still earn less gold than before.
As a whale (having spent >2K on this game in the past 5 years) I'm out.
I was already saving gold from last expansion, I already told myself I would not purchase the next preorder (as I have way over 100 packs from the gold now) but this is it, I'm out.
It now forces me to play game modes I dislike to still earn less gold than before.
Fuck it. They won't get another dime.
Even if it did not have different game mode quests, it still forces you to play HOURS DAILY.
Insane, i used to do 20mins of RNG constructed every 3 days on the days i did not feel like playing the game and still get some coins for when i would feel like playing, not locking myself out of a future expansion.
Now all that is over. It's either play forever hours a day or just pay hard cash KEKW.
Unistalled
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The 1st step towards a better game is firing Mike Donais! We had enough of his "skillful" balances!
I am not sure how much you are forced to play, though. You can reroll the quests for the game modes you don't like, and you have more time before the quests expire now, so you can arrange so you can do multiple quests at a time.
Level 25 seems to be the natural aim to get that legendary. I am not quite sure how many hours are required to reach that just yet.
Blizzard is switching this mature game into "milking whales" mode. More and more things will be for real money only. You will need to accept this or quit. They will care less and less for F2P until the amount of active players base drop below some threshold (not sure if this ever happen) and Whales players will wait in queue for the game annoying amount of time (for example 5 minutes or more) then Blizz change again their politics to encourage F2P to play again.
Personally I doubt it happens. I think Hearthstone is just during the final conversion process from new, fresh game with a lot of free content to get new players into "whales" game for persons which are fine to put yearly 200EUR (3 pre-orders) - 400EUR. Thats it boys :)
The problem with HS is, that just like new players, if you take a break until Blizz changes its politics, you'll be to behind to even consider starting again as most of your cards will have rotated out and you need to invest money or a lot of time first to grind for the new cards. Blizz is about to throw away a solid game model out the window.
Boy, I really wish everyone who comes on here to announce they're uninstalling really DOES it, and subsequently stops posting, It really gets tedious.
"I hate the designers, I hate RNG, I hate Aggro, I hate Control Priest, I hate Battlegrounds, I hate Duels, I hate the rewards system. Evil greedy Blizz making, no FORCING me to pay money to play this game i despise, RAAAAAGGGGEEEE!"
Seriously, please, uninstall it, get a grip, don't pay money for things you don't want, let those of us who enjoy the game do our thing.
What makes you think you are not wrong lol? So Standard should be a whale-only mode now? Sorry if I can't spend 1k dollars a year for a declining digital card game.
Oh, I am so sorry to break it up to you, but this is how companies work, this is how TCG work. Are you even 18 years old? Why should they make their product cheaper? Just because you don't like paying a lot of money? Do they owe you anything? Does Blizzard have a debt on Denza? Probably not. But, let me set things straight, since I may sound a bit aggressive.
It's a luxury man, whether you like it or not. The fact that you or me don't have to work 16 hours a day just to get 2 decent salaries combined, meaning that we have time to complain on an online platform about a video-game not being cheap, is a luxury. Which means, that we can definitely afford AT LEAST the time to do so. But generally, we are talking about a hobby, which, like all hobbies, is DEFINITELY time-consuming and MAYBE money-consuming.
And that's how all these card games are, to begin with. When I was younger I was into MTG (the TCG version), which required a hellish amount of money as well, when I was playing Standard, JUST to be able to be relevant. I am not even talking about going to PTQs and stuff, but just to be able to get a non-negative score on FNMs. The cost of cards there becomes REALLY absurd, since we are talking of physical copies, which means market fluctuations and inflation sometimes, which is a real hell if you want to play this game and you're looking for the cards and you can only find 2-3 sellers, selling those cards at like 30€ PER PIECE! So you can resort to more budget cards, but still you need a decent landbase (for mana generation), which is also expensive as hell. Price/demand analogies are a nightmare. So me and my friends resorted in playing different formats than Standard. You can play Modern or Legacy (like Wild in Hearthstone) where you pay once a huge amount of money (of which a 20% was covered by Standard cards we had), but you always play this deck (unless, WotC decides to ban it, which is sad af, since your cards go to 0 value instantly). You can play Commander if you want to have fun without spending a sh*tload of money, or Pauper where all players are restricted on playing ONLY Common cards. Heck you can even just buy pre-release sets and test your deckbuilding skills on draft with your friends.
Where am I going with this, you may ask. It's ALMOST the same in Hearthstone. There's the Standard format, where you have to pay good amounts of currency in order to be able to keep up with the metagame. Ideal for those who want to live every now and then a completely new experience, but at a pricey cost. There's wild, where you don't have to spend abusrd amounts of money and you can get pretty fast all format staples there and play a ton of fun decks. Then, we have the Duels, which I can honestly say that they feel refreshing, with new ways to experiment and play the "original classes".
Moreover, we get modes where your collection doesn't matter, WHICH IS NEAT, for a player like me, who when I was playing MTG I had to acquire the cards I wanted if I wanted to play something even for fun, even for once. There's the Arena, where if you are good at it, you can harvest huge amounts of money and save yourself some Gold and Dust until the next expansions. There are the BGs which do not require a collection at all. And finally, there are SOLO modes if you ever feel bored or the meta is stale.
So, there's a lot of stuff going on and I believe that if you start feeling that you can't keep up with STANDARD, maybe before quitting the game, you should try all the different flavors it has to offer. Like I did. I was playing from BETA. I was a F2P, gathering gold, playing Arena in order to become good at it and then I was gathering even more Gold. I spent 3500 for Naxxramas (No Free Wings back then) and I hated it. I payed 25€ for BRM, 60€ for WotOG, 80€ for KoFT and 80€ for TBP, before I lost interest for Standard. I realised that I could not afford to play it. That I had to buy ALL of the expansions in order to get relevant. So, I was about to quit and uninstall the game, being absent for about 1 month, a friend showed me a Giants Quest Mage on Wild. It was pure cansur, but since I had the cards I gave it a try. It wasn't the deck I liked, but the feeling that I could play or being playing against ANY possible deck made me thrilled. I started browsing my collection, watching Wild decks on Youtube, Hearthpwn, everywhere. I loved it. Soon I was able to climb high up the ranks, because there was every possible card that I needed to counter any possible deck. Dirty Rats for combos, healbots and Renos for aggro, Fatigue mechanics for Control, EVERYTHING! You can play any possible deck type and adjust it to your liking. And trust me. It won't suck.
But the thing that made me love Wild more than I ever enjoyed the best days of Standard was the fact that the ranked climb was not painful, especially on the new ranked system. Yes on Diamond you'll find Ress Priest and Secret Mage only, but up until then, oh my... a mayhem that made the game feel fresh to me. Unlike Standard, where I almost quit once playing the game, because from rank 15 to rank 5 8 to 10 games where Shaman vs Shaman (aggro or midrange to hell with it). That doesn't happen in Wild. That's why I always say, don't worry about Standard if you can't afford it, because there are many cool ways to play the game and not get bored.
TL;DR Standard is expensive and it should be. We live in a capitalistic society and Blizzard is not a charity. But that doesn't mean that you can't enjoy the other more affordable options the game has to offer, like Wild.
The sad part is, they will change the system if they face to much backslash to its original form and people will install Hearthstone again. Until they try the next shit again. 9000xp for 1 year of the dragon pack is the last nail in the coffin.
As a whale (having spent >2K on this game in the past 5 years) I'm out.
I was already saving gold from last expansion, I already told myself I would not purchase the next preorder (as I have way over 100 packs from the gold now) but this is it, I'm out.
It now forces me to play game modes I dislike to still earn less gold than before.
Fuck it. They won't get another dime.
Good riddance
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There is a thing called an uninstall button. Nobody cares that you are quitting Heathstone
If I was a company owner I would milk my customers as much as I could do without losing them. In fact every reasonable person would do this and does it.
For a company the main goal is always maximizing the profits. Granted, there is always a threshold above which trying to milk the customers doesn't actually work, because you overdid it and lost too many customers. But believe me, it was thoroughly calculated and they know how much they can push the community.
I personally of course don't like it. Not at all. But I understand this is how the business works. It's not charity. I wouldn't give anything away for free as a company owner, you wouldn't do it and neither does Blizzard. It's easy to bash them for being greedy and I myself would love the reality to be different, but it just isn't.
If you want to find the culprit, don't look at Blizzard - look at the community. At the people wishing to spend ridiculous amounts of money, while being blatantly milked. Blizzard and every other company does only as much as their customers allow them to get away with. Blame Blizzard for using the opportunity to earn more money? It's just hypocritical, every one of us would use an opportunity to earn more money. Blame the playerbase!
credit goes to the reddit guy who posted this :
https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/jvac8w/official_blizzard_interview_on_battlepass_system/
thing is it's soo well written that i do hope the ppl who are responsible for this situation will realise their errors (i'm talking to u whales, it's ur willingness to give bli$$ ur money that brought us here)..
I'm literally crying ;-D
That's the last time I believe someone on this forum when they use the phrase "well-written".
By virtue of the fact that, until early 2019 I had bought just about everything there was to buy, including enough packs to have a vast majority of the playable cards in the game in gold, I can say fairly confidently that my account had one of the largest amounts of money spent in all of the player base. That's roughly $200 worth of packs every expansion plus all the extra heroes, all the adventures, and quite a bit of classic packs for gold forging dust. I suppose some people who are bad at arenas might have spent more on real money arena tickets; I generally get to a point where I can sustain myself in arena via gold.
The above link speaks of "maxing out credit cards to keep up" when I have just outlined that, again, unless you suck at arena and constantly spend real money to play it, it is basically impossible to spend more than $700 a year on this game; there is simply nothing else to buy.
No question, $700 a year on a video game is astronomically high in terms of cost of a video game, but it isn't in the same universe as "maxing out credit cards" of anyone with a job that makes use of post-high school education. In fact, it represents a fairly minuscule amount of disposable income for someone gainfully employed in the U.S.
As for the bullshit about missing phone payments and all that, I'm sure that even in the hell world of 2020, there are still people with so few real problems, the temptation to spend too much on pixels still ranks. Fortunately or not, I'm not quite so lucky, which is why, when I lost my job, I subsequently . . . and try to stay with me here, I know it's a radical concept . . . stopped . . . buying . . . Hearthstone pixels.
It took a year and some for me to find a comparable job, and during that time I broke my streak of collecting all heroes and card backs, but that was the intelligent thing to do. Now, I'm back to a spot where spending $20 on a Battle Pass is a trivial expense, so why not? Why would anyone presume to tell someone how to spend truly disposable income when financial obligations are met?
I will say, that part about not knowing what you're buying and mistaking the pass for battleground perks was worth a good laugh. As if the fact that the same screen clearly showing them as two different things wasn't enough, one has only to read the three or so lines of text describing the pass to know exactly what was included and what wasn't.
Helpful Clarification on Forbidden Topics for Hearthstone Forums:
Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
Imagine thinking spending 700 dollars on a video game that you play while you poop is a reasonable thing to do.
Anything you spend your money on is "reasonable" in relation to how much you have left afterwards. Some people make more than 700$ in a week, some won't make that much in a month, bills not included. I strongly disagree about the notion of how "miniscule" 700$ are if you have a "real" job, but that's a different topic. If your income allows it, and you consider it worthwhile, it's reasonable.
People might disagree about your priorities, but you are free to do with your income as you see fit, and don't need to justify any of it if your financial obligations and basic needs are met.
Not that it matters, but I can think of more questionable things to spend large sums on, like smoking.
Blizzard is switching this mature game into "milking whales" mode. More and more things will be for real money only. You will need to accept this or quit. They will care less and less for F2P until the amount of active players base drop below some threshold (not sure if this ever happen) and Whales players will wait in queue for the game annoying amount of time (for example 5 minutes or more) then Blizz change again their politics to encourage F2P to play again.
Personally I doubt it happens. I think Hearthstone is just during the final conversion process from new, fresh game with a lot of free content to get new players into "whales" game for persons which are fine to put yearly 200EUR (3 pre-orders) - 400EUR. Thats it boys :)
Im not going to defend blizzard(no need for that), but you people are complaining cause a COMPANY that offers a product tries to gain money with it?
Many people complain but since wow exist they have been paying 15 euros per month for it and since hs exist they haven been buying the expansions for a very expensive price.
"Uuuu blu$$ard you sell card packs very expensive, il keep buying them but im angry with you"
I bought once an expansion, why? Cause i wanted, i haven spend more money in hs since that, why? cause i dont want, its pretty simple.
Just chill, enjoy the game if you want and if you dont play another one, i swear it is that simple.
I've said this once and I'll say this a million times. If you don't feel like spending money on a product of the company just because it feels expensive (Standard), maybe you should consider another product of the same company which does not require you to spend yearly 200E (Wild).
What makes you think you are not wrong lol? So Standard should be a whale-only mode now? Sorry if I can't spend 1k dollars a year for a declining digital card game.
Yeah consumers being will to give companies money is how everything works. Are you an adult? I don't mean that in a horrible way but do you like, work? Have you ever had a proper job? How much free work do you or your company do? My company don't have any free products and we rely on consumers, you know, buying stuff.... This keeps the company going and contributes to paying my wages. I need people to spend money on our products.
The naivety of free to play gamers is astounding. You don't seem to understand the world at all. Do you go the supermarket, see an offer snd kikc off because the greedy company is just trying to entice you in with offers so you spend money on other things?
Life must be so frustrating and difficult, honestly. Blizzard could come out tomorrow and say you have to pay £40 to keep your download of the game. They are well within their right to do this and you are well within your right not to pay it.
But it is THEIR product, not yours. You have zero input here, you are relying on people doing a job that has to be paid for so you can get your free packs and the game can continue. You also rely on people putting money in because without it, you would have no game and you would have to freeload off a different one but if everyone had your attitude, there would be no free games.
If you think the product is too expensive, fine, don't pay it but don't then complain about thebfree aspect. I'd fucking love a lamborghini but guess what? Lambo are greedy wankers and charge an insane amount for a car. I can buy a car for £400 if I wanted to, how dare they charge what they charge, GREED!!! No, petal, it's just their choice of product and cost. If you really don't like it then don't buy it. We literally apply this logic on an almost daily basis. I personally feel Starbucks is over priced for what it is. I don't buy it. Others do. I don't go online and complain at the whales keeping them afloat.
Clowns.
I am not quite convinced they have done the pricing right. 80€ for a full preorder is just far too much for what you are getting. If it were cheaper, more players would buy it. 20€ is plenty in my opinion, and DOUBLE that xp gain, please.
I have bought my last one of these things, it just makes no sense.
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As a whale (having spent >2K on this game in the past 5 years) I'm out.
I was already saving gold from last expansion, I already told myself I would not purchase the next preorder (as I have way over 100 packs from the gold now) but this is it, I'm out.
It now forces me to play game modes I dislike to still earn less gold than before.
Fuck it. They won't get another dime.
Even if it did not have different game mode quests, it still forces you to play HOURS DAILY.
Insane, i used to do 20mins of RNG constructed every 3 days on the days i did not feel like playing the game and still get some coins for when i would feel like playing, not locking myself out of a future expansion.
Now all that is over. It's either play forever hours a day or just pay hard cash KEKW.
Unistalled
The 1st step towards a better game is firing Mike Donais! We had enough of his "skillful" balances!
#FireMikeDonais
I am not sure how much you are forced to play, though. You can reroll the quests for the game modes you don't like, and you have more time before the quests expire now, so you can arrange so you can do multiple quests at a time.
Level 25 seems to be the natural aim to get that legendary. I am not quite sure how many hours are required to reach that just yet.
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The problem with HS is, that just like new players, if you take a break until Blizz changes its politics, you'll be to behind to even consider starting again as most of your cards will have rotated out and you need to invest money or a lot of time first to grind for the new cards. Blizz is about to throw away a solid game model out the window.
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Boy, I really wish everyone who comes on here to announce they're uninstalling really DOES it, and subsequently stops posting, It really gets tedious.
"I hate the designers, I hate RNG, I hate Aggro, I hate Control Priest, I hate Battlegrounds, I hate Duels, I hate the rewards system. Evil greedy Blizz making, no FORCING me to pay money to play this game i despise, RAAAAAGGGGEEEE!"
Seriously, please, uninstall it, get a grip, don't pay money for things you don't want, let those of us who enjoy the game do our thing.
Oh, I am so sorry to break it up to you, but this is how companies work, this is how TCG work. Are you even 18 years old? Why should they make their product cheaper? Just because you don't like paying a lot of money? Do they owe you anything? Does Blizzard have a debt on Denza? Probably not. But, let me set things straight, since I may sound a bit aggressive.
It's a luxury man, whether you like it or not. The fact that you or me don't have to work 16 hours a day just to get 2 decent salaries combined, meaning that we have time to complain on an online platform about a video-game not being cheap, is a luxury. Which means, that we can definitely afford AT LEAST the time to do so. But generally, we are talking about a hobby, which, like all hobbies, is DEFINITELY time-consuming and MAYBE money-consuming.
And that's how all these card games are, to begin with. When I was younger I was into MTG (the TCG version), which required a hellish amount of money as well, when I was playing Standard, JUST to be able to be relevant. I am not even talking about going to PTQs and stuff, but just to be able to get a non-negative score on FNMs. The cost of cards there becomes REALLY absurd, since we are talking of physical copies, which means market fluctuations and inflation sometimes, which is a real hell if you want to play this game and you're looking for the cards and you can only find 2-3 sellers, selling those cards at like 30€ PER PIECE! So you can resort to more budget cards, but still you need a decent landbase (for mana generation), which is also expensive as hell. Price/demand analogies are a nightmare.
So me and my friends resorted in playing different formats than Standard. You can play Modern or Legacy (like Wild in Hearthstone) where you pay once a huge amount of money (of which a 20% was covered by Standard cards we had), but you always play this deck (unless, WotC decides to ban it, which is sad af, since your cards go to 0 value instantly). You can play Commander if you want to have fun without spending a sh*tload of money, or Pauper where all players are restricted on playing ONLY Common cards. Heck you can even just buy pre-release sets and test your deckbuilding skills on draft with your friends.
Where am I going with this, you may ask. It's ALMOST the same in Hearthstone. There's the Standard format, where you have to pay good amounts of currency in order to be able to keep up with the metagame. Ideal for those who want to live every now and then a completely new experience, but at a pricey cost. There's wild, where you don't have to spend abusrd amounts of money and you can get pretty fast all format staples there and play a ton of fun decks. Then, we have the Duels, which I can honestly say that they feel refreshing, with new ways to experiment and play the "original classes".
Moreover, we get modes where your collection doesn't matter, WHICH IS NEAT, for a player like me, who when I was playing MTG I had to acquire the cards I wanted if I wanted to play something even for fun, even for once. There's the Arena, where if you are good at it, you can harvest huge amounts of money and save yourself some Gold and Dust until the next expansions. There are the BGs which do not require a collection at all.
And finally, there are SOLO modes if you ever feel bored or the meta is stale.
So, there's a lot of stuff going on and I believe that if you start feeling that you can't keep up with STANDARD, maybe before quitting the game, you should try all the different flavors it has to offer. Like I did. I was playing from BETA. I was a F2P, gathering gold, playing Arena in order to become good at it and then I was gathering even more Gold. I spent 3500 for Naxxramas (No Free Wings back then) and I hated it. I payed 25€ for BRM, 60€ for WotOG, 80€ for KoFT and 80€ for TBP, before I lost interest for Standard. I realised that I could not afford to play it. That I had to buy ALL of the expansions in order to get relevant. So, I was about to quit and uninstall the game, being absent for about 1 month, a friend showed me a Giants Quest Mage on Wild. It was pure cansur, but since I had the cards I gave it a try. It wasn't the deck I liked, but the feeling that I could play or being playing against ANY possible deck made me thrilled. I started browsing my collection, watching Wild decks on Youtube, Hearthpwn, everywhere. I loved it. Soon I was able to climb high up the ranks, because there was every possible card that I needed to counter any possible deck. Dirty Rats for combos, healbots and Renos for aggro, Fatigue mechanics for Control, EVERYTHING! You can play any possible deck type and adjust it to your liking. And trust me. It won't suck.
But the thing that made me love Wild more than I ever enjoyed the best days of Standard was the fact that the ranked climb was not painful, especially on the new ranked system. Yes on Diamond you'll find Ress Priest and Secret Mage only, but up until then, oh my... a mayhem that made the game feel fresh to me. Unlike Standard, where I almost quit once playing the game, because from rank 15 to rank 5 8 to 10 games where Shaman vs Shaman (aggro or midrange to hell with it). That doesn't happen in Wild. That's why I always say, don't worry about Standard if you can't afford it, because there are many cool ways to play the game and not get bored.
TL;DR Standard is expensive and it should be. We live in a capitalistic society and Blizzard is not a charity. But that doesn't mean that you can't enjoy the other more affordable options the game has to offer, like Wild.
The sad part is, they will change the system if they face to much backslash to its original form and people will install Hearthstone again. Until they try the next shit again. 9000xp for 1 year of the dragon pack is the last nail in the coffin.
Good riddance
There is a thing called an uninstall button. Nobody cares that you are quitting Heathstone
If I was a company owner I would milk my customers as much as I could do without losing them. In fact every reasonable person would do this and does it.
For a company the main goal is always maximizing the profits. Granted, there is always a threshold above which trying to milk the customers doesn't actually work, because you overdid it and lost too many customers. But believe me, it was thoroughly calculated and they know how much they can push the community.
I personally of course don't like it. Not at all. But I understand this is how the business works. It's not charity. I wouldn't give anything away for free as a company owner, you wouldn't do it and neither does Blizzard. It's easy to bash them for being greedy and I myself would love the reality to be different, but it just isn't.
If you want to find the culprit, don't look at Blizzard - look at the community. At the people wishing to spend ridiculous amounts of money, while being blatantly milked. Blizzard and every other company does only as much as their customers allow them to get away with. Blame Blizzard for using the opportunity to earn more money? It's just hypocritical, every one of us would use an opportunity to earn more money. Blame the playerbase!