They've heavily hinted at a Classic refresh coming in April, so I bet this gets addressed at that time. Until then, I'll expect a 10/10 edwin every turn 3.
Wow just wow. Vancleef is a weakass. He might seem big and strong, but if you combo out a single card you'll a struggle to regain hand advantage. I'm struggling to think of which class can legitimately complain about Vancleef, silences, transformation, hard removal. Who is it that struggles against a single buffed unit? Checking hs stats 95% of rogue standard don't use cleef. 98% wild don't use cleef.
Not difficult, just send edwin to wild as he deserves
So if you send him to wild rogue is trash tier .then we get new card in expac and u want it nerfed so rogue will never be top tier cause of snowflakes in hearthstone.
As frustrating as Edwin can be, shadowstep is the single most problematic card. Not because of what exists, but what does not exist because of it.
I guarantee that there are neutral battlecry minions that were designed, but never printed because of this single card. Edwin is a highroll, but he isn’t stopping neutral cards that all classes can use from being made.
A card is a problem when it’s existence has a direct impact on many other cards from seeing the light of day, and shadowstep is a huge offender in this case.
Priest has a 2-mana removal. Mage and Shaman have a 1-mana spell that turns Edwin into an 1/1. Warrior has a 3 mana removal if Edwin is the only minion on board. Hunter doesn't have direct removal but they might as well ignore you and kill you by turn 4. Or play a Freezing Trap and you cannot to shit with Edwin. Rogue can get Devolving Missiles from a Wand Thief, or combo a Coerce for a 4-mana removal. Paladin has no removal, but can play a 2-mana 12/12 in response. Warlock has Plague of Flames + any 1- or 2-drop. So that leaves only Druid and Demon Hunter that have no way of dealing with a very early 12/12.
I'm not saying that the various classes will always (or even often) have a response in their hand, but given how much a Rogue needs to invest in order to play a 12/12 Edwin (almost emply the hand, spend possibly both copies of Shadowstep and/or Preparation without getting full value from them), it is a fair gamble
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enough said
Not difficult, just send edwin to wild as he deserves
Thanks, we were wondering.
Take a walk on the wild side...
Anyone care to redirect OP to the countless 5 year old forums about this?
Definitely, but if they HOF him, won't they replace it with a new card, like how they did for priest?
Maybe the new card could be a nice, low cost card that synergizes well with playing other cheap cards on the same turn... hmm... something like that.
That'd be the dream.
Your comment speaks for itself and it is the additional proof (if we needed one) that the problem is not the OP
"Do u wish to see rogue be punished?"
"I do"
"Then prepare yourself, the moment until next rotation, we throw VanCleef into the maw, ehm.. the hall of fame"
Does Preparation really see much play these days?
I dont really play Wild much - but I thought the nerf to it pretty much killed it.
i think that the preparation nerf killed prep but with the secret build now around, the 2 mana discount is enough to play it again.
It's always fascinating how common players wants to find simple solutions for complex problems. There is a reason why gamdesign is a own job.
Five out of the 10 classes have playable silences. Most of the 10 classes have hard removal.
Edwin is alright.
The way to balance rogue is to nerf druid.
They've heavily hinted at a Classic refresh coming in April, so I bet this gets addressed at that time. Until then, I'll expect a 10/10 edwin every turn 3.
Wow just wow. Vancleef is a weakass. He might seem big and strong, but if you combo out a single card you'll a struggle to regain hand advantage. I'm struggling to think of which class can legitimately complain about Vancleef, silences, transformation, hard removal. Who is it that struggles against a single buffed unit? Checking hs stats 95% of rogue standard don't use cleef. 98% wild don't use cleef.
So if you send him to wild rogue is trash tier .then we get new card in expac and u want it nerfed so rogue will never be top tier cause of snowflakes in hearthstone.
As frustrating as Edwin can be, shadowstep is the single most problematic card. Not because of what exists, but what does not exist because of it.
I guarantee that there are neutral battlecry minions that were designed, but never printed because of this single card. Edwin is a highroll, but he isn’t stopping neutral cards that all classes can use from being made.
A card is a problem when it’s existence has a direct impact on many other cards from seeing the light of day, and shadowstep is a huge offender in this case.
Hard removal for a 8/8, 12/12 in the first 3 turns...
Which class can play such a monster so early?
In late the card is very good but fair, but those stats im early have no sense
Priest has a 2-mana removal. Mage and Shaman have a 1-mana spell that turns Edwin into an 1/1. Warrior has a 3 mana removal if Edwin is the only minion on board. Hunter doesn't have direct removal but they might as well ignore you and kill you by turn 4. Or play a Freezing Trap and you cannot to shit with Edwin. Rogue can get Devolving Missiles from a Wand Thief, or combo a Coerce for a 4-mana removal. Paladin has no removal, but can play a 2-mana 12/12 in response. Warlock has Plague of Flames + any 1- or 2-drop. So that leaves only Druid and Demon Hunter that have no way of dealing with a very early 12/12.
I'm not saying that the various classes will always (or even often) have a response in their hand, but given how much a Rogue needs to invest in order to play a 12/12 Edwin (almost emply the hand, spend possibly both copies of Shadowstep and/or Preparation without getting full value from them), it is a fair gamble