For standard players, these nerfs are more than enough. We’re possibly in the midst of the most balanced metas, but I think it’s one of the more boring standard metas ever.
I understand the complains about Paladin after playing on US in Gold MMR. They are not played that often in skilled MMR, but there they are flooding the ranked shit in like 80% of the games. And sometimes you can't win games against them.
I just lost to a fucking braindead monkey trying to go face all the time after he plays the 8/8 Buff card. ANd I still lost. That's disgusting.
Paladins are not even strong. Literally all you have to do is play Devolving Missiles and they lose. If a single card counters the entire deck it is not a good deck.
And Druid is literally 5th in winrate right now barely breaking 50%.
What Libram Pally beats is dumbass noskill face decks, which is half the meta rn. Other than libram pally, in t1 and 2 we have:
Face Hunter
Stealth Rogue
Aggro DH
Totem Sham
Zoolock
Soul DH which is still a frontloaded deck
Bomb War which also goes face as much as possible
Gibberling Druid
The only decks that arent frontloaded aggro are guardian druid, and then secret rogue/big war/highlander hunter which are all barely above 50% winrate.
If you look at HSReplay, Libram Pally is hardcountered by:
Small Spell/Tortollan Mage (ie the ones that have Devolving)
Gala Rez priest
Secret Rogue
And softcountered by Stealth Rogue and Zoolock because they can turbo fast enough to outspeed the Pally's ramp.
Still not a huge fan of Paladin, and at least on ladder a few of the cards seem a little overtuned. (Mainly Argent Braggart) but I think these were great nerfs and if they need to do more they will.
The current meta is Rock paper scissors, Pally and druid are certainly overwelming, but not if you're playing the right decks... if you're too capricious just like me and want to outplaying instead of counterpicking , just play bomb warrior which doesn't really counter nor get countered ;).
bomb warr is the mushroom of this meta, people bring it to GM and gets insta ban every time.
Edit: Bomb warrior gets somewhat slowed by weapon removal, which aren't that commun this meta.
Bomb warrior not countered? Hah... I wish I got bomb warrior all the time as opponent. My big spell freeze mage wins 9 out of 10. You will be sitting frozen the whole game :-)
"Most GM's dont bring Paladin cause they know its broken and other will have prepare for it and bring counters."
Quite possibly the dumbest thing I've seen all day. It's still early though, lets wait and see
He meant that while broken, its not a deck you want use without element of surprise. Anyone would automatically play a silence shaman to delete his books or aggro rogue and sap his crap.
too true blad druid and paladin still needs some big time nerfs. as a priest player i know full well how skilled players like me can lose against meta decks like druid/paladin.
For standard players, these nerfs are more than enough. We’re possibly in the midst of the most balanced metas, but I think it’s one of the more boring standard metas ever.
"Balance" consists of way more than just class involvement. In fact, I actually think that it's far more important that different deck types are represented. How many good control decks are there right now? How many good aggro decks? It's NOT EVEN CLOSE to being balanced, imo.
as a priest player i know full well how skilled players like me can lose against meta decks like druid/paladin.
OMEGALUL Skilled and priest player in same sentence, get real. Priest received no nerfs (no change on card wording = NOT NERFED) so far thus youre illegible to comment on stuff like these..
downvote.
Another one of those petty priest main jokers LMAO Make a burn account like rest of them to sh!ttalk..
For standard players, these nerfs are more than enough. We’re possibly in the midst of the most balanced metas, but I think it’s one of the more boring standard metas ever.
The only dumb thing in this thread is using GM tournaments as an argument
EVERYONE , GET A BEER!
I understand the complains about Paladin after playing on US in Gold MMR.
They are not played that often in skilled MMR, but there they are flooding the ranked shit in like 80% of the games. And sometimes you can't win games against them.
I just lost to a fucking braindead monkey trying to go face all the time after he plays the 8/8 Buff card. ANd I still lost. That's disgusting.
Paladins are not even strong. Literally all you have to do is play Devolving Missiles and they lose. If a single card counters the entire deck it is not a good deck.
And Druid is literally 5th in winrate right now barely breaking 50%.
What Libram Pally beats is dumbass noskill face decks, which is half the meta rn. Other than libram pally, in t1 and 2 we have:
Face Hunter
Stealth Rogue
Aggro DH
Totem Sham
Zoolock
Soul DH which is still a frontloaded deck
Bomb War which also goes face as much as possible
Gibberling Druid
The only decks that arent frontloaded aggro are guardian druid, and then secret rogue/big war/highlander hunter which are all barely above 50% winrate.
If you look at HSReplay, Libram Pally is hardcountered by:
Small Spell/Tortollan Mage (ie the ones that have Devolving)
Gala Rez priest
Secret Rogue
And softcountered by Stealth Rogue and Zoolock because they can turbo fast enough to outspeed the Pally's ramp.
Still not a huge fan of Paladin, and at least on ladder a few of the cards seem a little overtuned. (Mainly Argent Braggart) but I think these were great nerfs and if they need to do more they will.
Bomb warrior not countered? Hah... I wish I got bomb warrior all the time as opponent. My big spell freeze mage wins 9 out of 10. You will be sitting frozen the whole game :-)
He meant that while broken, its not a deck you want use without element of surprise. Anyone would automatically play a silence shaman to delete his books or aggro rogue and sap his crap.
Fun > Meta
what does this even mean?
Skilled? Playing priest? xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
The number of people not getting the joke in this thread really says a lot about the community.
Ready to flame anyone who they think does not deserve to play HS, because of the deck they prefer.
Really sad.
"Balance" consists of way more than just class involvement. In fact, I actually think that it's far more important that different deck types are represented. How many good control decks are there right now? How many good aggro decks? It's NOT EVEN CLOSE to being balanced, imo.
Am I the only one that notices the sarcasm in this sentence?
Libram of hope up to 10 mana from 9
Argent Braggart up to 3 mana from 2
Dwarven sharpshooter 1/2 from 1/3
Scavenger's ingenuity gives +2/+1 from +2/+2
Glaivebound Adept 4/4 from 6/4
Marrowslicer 3/2 from 4/2
Lake thresher 3/6 from 4/6
Now don't tell me that these changes would break those decks. They would be totally fair and rebalance the classes
Another one of those petty priest main jokers LMAO Make a burn account like rest of them to sh!ttalk..
hey blizzard I meet a lot of paladins on silver 10 can you please nerf or ban the class? THX!
hey smarta$$, check HSreplay, check metastats, then tell me if it is silver 10
By the way already 4 paladin in a row at D5
I am a mage and win 9 of 10 from paladin's, druids are 50/50.
Delete HS and shut up please.
I'm tired of seeing complains and salty people.
Grow up and you will learn how to face problems without complaining
Just unbuff that 1 drop to make it the original 2 mana. Maybe just change it to 2 mana 2/4 and its done
Warlock is still broken and needs nerf ASAP!