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I don't respect anyone who uses deck trackers for anything other than just tracking their own deck.

The worst are the pathetic players that need to have the most optimized version of their opponents deck archetype on-screen just to feel comfortable playing an online card game. 

are you really complaining about this?

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That is NOTHING.. There were (past tense because I am not sure if it was fixed. It was occurring about a month ago) trackers that could identify generated cards when drawn. Specifically.. primes (second form) and albatrosses. So if you used those deck trackers, you knew if/when your opponent drew his prime or an albatross..This is basically cheating and those programs shouldn't be able to have that info. Obviously Blizzard has been notified.

Where did you see this bullshit? deck tracers don't show anything that you can't see without using them, they don't show if your opponent drew their prime, albatross or any other card.

 

first of all... it is 100% not bullshit. I was the one who noticed it and the one who notified them via multiple channels. The problem was/is obviously with some card id the server sends and probably reuses later when the card is drawn. The information was there only for those specific cards. The deck tracker is not one of the popular ones.

 Ok if you are so sure then show me the proof and/or tell me the name of the deck tracker.

dude.. why are you so aggressive? What is your problem exactly? I obviously cannot post the name of the deck tracker! What if the issue is still there? What are you saying that I am lying? To gain what exactly? Did I also put that bug report on 29th of May (report is still there without replies) just to plan ahead?? Do you also want me to forward you the emails with blizzard support??

PS: and to make things worse...I just played a meme deck with albatrosses just to check..the problem is still there..

PS2: you know what...do you want me to add you and play a battle just to see if the tracker can spot when you draw the albatross?

Why can't you tell the name the deck tracker? If people are cheating with a deck tracker then why are you hiding the deck tracker? Maybe you are also cheating with it!!!

First of all I was about to say sorry for jumping the gun at you yesterday. None can be sure since this is language in written form. I want to think you weren't really accusing me of lying but you were curious and skeptical..Now I want to believe you are not really accusing me of being a cheater. Why? ..I want to think you are a logical person (sorry if it really sounds aggressive from my part - IT IS NOT. I will elaborate).

Thank god we established (sort of) that this thing exists. Right now since it exists I can prove. So if you want definitive proof please ask me now for a challenge battle. Later it might be late since theoretically it can get fixed at any time. Why? Well.. programmatically speaking the problem is on the server side since it kinda sends information to the client that can be exploited. It can be fixed now..or tomorrow..or never. Since they know..they decide.

Now.. why can't I tell the name of the deck tracker? Isn't it obvious? What do you think will happen if I find a program that exploits (no matter how big or small like this one) any game and I share its name? I do not want to get banned for sharing that. Plain and simple.

Lets go to the "Maybe you are also cheating" part. Could I be using the tracker. I guess. Was I? I cannot prove that and you cannot either. Can I use the tracker to get that information and use it to gain an advantage? Of course I could. Was I? Again.. I cannot prove that unfortunately and you cannot either. As you can see this leads nowhere. If you want to throw meaningless and unprovable and also undefendable accusations towards someone about a game..what can I say? I can also accuse you of cheating using the same logic. I can say you also found about it and that you are using it. Can I prove it? er.. No..can you prove that you are not? No..see? it is easy..and stupid. I can also go as far to saying well.. what happens if a decent human being with no intention of cheating accidentally finds that thing? Well that is easy to answer. He contacts the company first through emails directly and if needed and told so, through the official bug report forum of the game. That is exactly what I did. That is a fact. Yes the problem is known publicly (since May 29) but that is what Blizzard specifically told me to do.  Would you do the same in my place? I cannot prove you would, but I think you would and I hope you would. Can you prove you would? Again No.. but honestly I think you would because you like me are not a damn cheater!

If you don't tell others Blizzard will never fix it just like they don't fix bugs in rarely played cards. If more people know of the cheater deck tracker, Blizzard is more like to fix the bug. Plus if you tell me how can Blizzard ban you? It's not like they can know your Blizzard account from Hearthpwn account.

I was just joking about you using the cheater deck tracker because you were not telling me the name of it. But in case you are using it and it actually cheats you will get banned, so don't do it.

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I don't play Hearthstone to practice basic math, and trackers remove the bad feeling of losing because of forgetting which cards are left in the deck. Grinding to legend is so much more enjoyable with trackers imo.

 A good memory is part of the skills needed to be good at a card game, so if Blizzard does not deem that it should be the case for Hearthstone like it is for whist or bridge, then they should build it in or maybe do like with wow and addons.

 

i just want to jump here and add that its a quality of life feature to be honest, a good memory isnt really needed, since you can write down every card played. so in this sense, a good memory is not needed in hearthstone, and deck tracker is just a QoL feature. nothing more. 

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*Snip Snap this has gone too far*

If you don't tell others Blizzard will never fix it just like they don't fix bugs in rarely played cards. If more people know of the cheater deck tracker, Blizzard is more like to fix the bug. Plus if you tell me how can Blizzard ban you? It's not like they can know your Blizzard account from Hearthpwn account.

I was just joking about you using the cheater deck tracker because you were not telling me the name of it. But in case you are using it and it actually cheats you will get banned, so don't do it.

 

I agree with you that, unfortunately, Blizzard doesn't seam to care about this issue. At least it seams that way after that many days. Are they not considering it critical..maybe? I mean it is exploiting a mistake they make and it should be stopped yesterday. But maybe they do not see it as big of a problem since it affects specific cards (a really small number)? Who knows??

people that use trackers are just cheaters. but it's ok cuz i still stomp most people i play bcuz i'm not an idiot and can remember what cards are in my deck. i have these things called eyes too which help me see what's going on and which cards my opponent has been holding and what not

Why is this even an issue? If they get information they shouldn't have, sure, that's a problem. But letting other players keep track of information or even see damage on board doesn't hurt your own playing. I hate winning because the opponent missed lethal. It feels unearned. I want to play against the other player at their peak. They still make plenty of choices, but if they want help doing it, that's fine. I don't really use deck trackers most of the time. Too much time to set up. But I can fully understand others wanting to use them, and in no way should they be disallowed. It doesn't hurt me not using one if other people do, and it probably contributes to making games better.

I don't get why this is an issue tbh. I started using firestone basically because playing dmh without a decktracker is sheer lunacy and I saw that "all attack" thing, I deactivated it because I didn't see any need for it (playing dmh and combo druid in particular, it's utterly pointless) but even if my opponent used it...why would I care?

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Why is this even an issue? If they get information they shouldn't have, sure, that's a problem. But letting other players keep track of information or even see damage on board doesn't hurt your own playing. I hate winning because the opponent missed lethal. It feels unearned. I want to play against the other player at their peak. They still make plenty of choices, but if they want help doing it, that's fine. I don't really use deck trackers most of the time. Too much time to set up. But I can fully understand others wanting to use them, and in no way should they be disallowed. It doesn't hurt me not using one if other people do, and it probably contributes to making games better.

 In chess there is no luck or randomness, its pure skill, knowledge and being observant, so when you win its because you are better than your opponent. I am not talking about a single game of chess, there is a reason why you play 2 or more games in tournament, but then the winner is the best player on that day(s).

In hearthstone there is a lot of randomness, so winning is partly luck. Good players win more, because they have the average luck combined with skill and knowledge. Winning in hearthstone is skill and luck.

Decktrackers makes winning more luck and less skill, than without it. For argument sake lets say its 60% luck and 40% skills. I claim that decktrackers changes that to 70% luck and 30% skills.

You write that you hate winning because your opponent missed lethal? I call that winning because my opponent made a mistake. Like when I win in chess because my opponent failed to see that I was 2 moves away from checkmate.

I want to win because I am better than my opponent and not because I am more lucky. And I like to play on even terms. That is why I don't like decktrackers doing all they can do for players.

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haha so basic math for you is over the line ?? LOL

 April 8, 2022 - July 12, 2020 = Posting on a thread that has been dead for 635 days! Basic math!