If someone I fired from my company was throwing tantrums on social media about my company, I wouldn’t be inviting that persons spouse as entertainment for my next company event either. Seems just like common sense to me, I mean, why would I?
Yea there’s a chance he completely disagrees with his wife and shows up without a hitch, but I’m not particularly inclined to run that risk when I have countless replacement dying to participate. From a business perspective, I completely understand this.
If I was Savijz, I’d be pretty slightly disappointed that my wife wouldn’t have to foresight to see how that would quite obviously backfire. Yea it sucks to be fired, but shit happens, move on, it’s not personal.
I come back to the forums to make a joke that Blizzard has reached the status of "monthly nerfs" and this is what I come back to?! I didn't serve my country to let this dictator-esque diatribe go unchecked.
It's odd, because America has multiple stipulations in its local, state, and federal laws against retaliatory discrimination. These global companies keeps forgetting where their home base and values lies and now people like you are walking around thinking it's okay to be persecuted and blacklisted for having a difference in opinion.
You clearly have and never will run or manage a successful business, because the first rule of business is the fiduciary duty to make as much money as possible and catering to only a subset of people with a ideology in the minority doesn't make money. It's no accident these big Fortune 500 companies run a multitude of "inclusion and unity" ads every time some seismic social event makes the news.
Don't bother responding until you lived in a country where your free speech has actually been met with some real repercussions. Everyone keeps sneaking on boats and trains to America for a reason, regardless what the media brainwashes you into believing.
Being banned from the events you organize isn't a kind of regulatory that would be sanctioned by law. Just like you can invite whoever you want to party at your house, Blizzard has free will to decide who they want to invite to their events. Period.
If someone I fired from my company was throwing tantrums on social media about my company, I wouldn’t be inviting that persons spouse as entertainment for my next company event either. Seems just like common sense to me, I mean, why would I?
Yea there’s a chance he completely disagrees with his wife and shows up without a hitch, but I’m not particularly inclined to run that risk when I have countless replacement dying to participate. From a business perspective, I completely understand this.
If I was Savijz, I’d be pretty slightly disappointed that my wife wouldn’t have to foresight to see how that would quite obviously backfire. Yea it sucks to be fired, but shit happens, move on, it’s not personal.
I come back to the forums to make a joke that Blizzard has reached the status of "monthly nerfs" and this is what I come back to?! I didn't serve my country to let this dictator-esque diatribe go unchecked.
It's odd, because America has multiple stipulations in its local, state, and federal laws against retaliatory discrimination. These global companies keeps forgetting where their home base and values lies and now people like you are walking around thinking it's okay to be persecuted and blacklisted for having a difference in opinion.
You clearly have and never will run or manage a successful business, because the first rule of business is the fiduciary duty to make as much money as possible and catering to only a subset of people with a ideology in the minority doesn't make money. It's no accident these big Fortune 500 companies run a multitude of "inclusion and unity" ads every time some seismic social event makes the news.
Don't bother responding until you lived in a country where your free speech has actually been met with some real repercussions. Everyone keeps sneaking on boats and trains to America for a reason, regardless what the media brainwashes you into believing.
What a load of incoherent and wannabe patriotical drivel.
First of all, this is by no legal definition retaliatory discrimination. Blizzard are free to invite (and exclude) whoever they want to a promotional event. There was no legal obligation here. You boast about freedom, yet completely ignore the organizations freedom to host their promotional events as they please.
It is no way a matter of being persecuted for having a difference of opinion. He is not being denied constitutional rights or anything similar for his opinion, so dial down the zealotry. He is simply not being picked as an ambassador for a company.
Blizzard is a company that does several events for disaster relief and also diversity focus, so I don’t see this part of your comment has any relevance what so ever. You are absolutely right, the business needs to make money, and this decision was quite clearly made with that in mind. They valued the risk of including him in this promotional event would be bigger than the gain from including him. Thinking otherwise is ignorant and a lack of understanding how a business is run.
This is a sad event. However I look at it I cannot see this as a good development for Hearthstone, Blizzard or ESports in general.
Sad that someone has been affected simply on the basis of what their relatives have done. It is discrimination, not based on race or religion, but discrimination none the less by association.
And if you feel no sympathy for Savij because he is a streamer, or a very successful streamer, or just a good player of the game then perhaps that is a poor reflection on you.
If you feel no sympathy because he has previously bad-mouthed Blizzard then just consider if he had good reason to do so? And also consider all the prominent streamers and high profile personalities involved in this game who have had strong words about Blizzard and Hearthstone and ask if they also would have deserved this treatment. Personally I cannot think of one streamer I watch who at some point has not had something negative to say, and say strongly about the company.
I expect fallout from taking this position but my personal view is, this guy is a very good player, a very entertaining streamer, and in these terms an ambassador for the game. The fact that he can be sidelined with no real repercussions is a sad reflection on the gamer community. It was an invitational. But I watch several of the people who were there and must say he was a far better and more entertaining "player" than several of them. This in itself also belittles the event, and I think to some degree, the other players who attended. I do not know but I also hope they have some comment to make on this subject, for some solidarity amongst gamers. At least I know Frodan made a comment, though the usual on the fence comment as you would expect from someone in his delicate position.
Just think if the next time you say something bad, like card "X" is shit, then you find yourself somehow restricted from the game. I know extreme comparison but who knows. Even worse imagine it is your partner who says it. And you pay the price.
This is a sad event. However I look at it I cannot see this as a good development for Hearthstone, Blizzard or ESports in general.
Sad that someone has been affected simply on the basis of what their relatives have done. It is discrimination, not based on race or religion, but discrimination none the less by association.
And if you feel no sympathy for Savij because he is a streamer, or a very successful streamer, or just a good player of the game then perhaps that is a poor reflection on you.
If you feel no sympathy because he has previously bad-mouthed Blizzard then just consider if he had good reason to do so? And also consider all the prominent streamers and high profile personalities involved in this game who have had strong words about Blizzard and Hearthstone and ask if they also would have deserved this treatment. Personally I cannot think of one streamer I watch who at some point has not had something negative to say, and say strongly about the company.
I expect fallout from taking this position but my personal view is, this guy is a very good player, a very entertaining streamer, and in these terms an ambassador for the game. The fact that he can be sidelined with no real repercussions is a sad reflection on the gamer community. It was an invitational. But I watch several of the people who were there and must say he was a far better and more entertaining "player" than several of them. This in itself also belittles the event, and I think to some degree, the other players who attended. I do not know but I also hope they have some comment to make on this subject, for some solidarity amongst gamers. At least I know Frodan made a comment, though the usual on the fence comment as you would expect from someone in his delicate position.
Just think if the next time you say something bad, like card "X" is shit, then you find yourself somehow restricted from the game. I know extreme comparison but who knows. Even worse imagine it is your partner who says it. And you pay the price.
All of you seem to be under the impression that he actually got banned from anything ("you find yourself somehow restricted from the game"). He does not compete, he doesn't attempt any open events. The only ones he appeared in were invitational ones.
So what Blizzard did? They basically said "We don't want you at our party". You don't regularly attend parties at someone's place, openly bitch about them and then expect to be invited, right? Same thing if you went with your girlfriend and she was the one bitching.
Yes, you can theoretically say, he cannot compete, if he wanted to. But this is just a theory-oh mess. We know he doesn't and 99% sure he wasn't going to. So I am not gonna waste my time on unrealistic scenarios.
The facts are:
1) He attended only invitational events
2) His wife was flaming the company for personal reasons
3) He many times expressed statements similar to hers
4) Blizzard decided to stop inviting him (what effectively is this "ban").
If someone came to my house and then started insulting me, you can bet they would not be invited anymore. Same would happen if it was his/her partner.
One thing no one seems to pay attention to is this woman's behavior. She was an employee and decided to publicly flame her former company after being fired. Am I the only one thinking she's a stupid, self-centered woman? I now work for a huge international company and I have experiences in my career, which would make me easily be happy to bitch about my past employers. But do you think my current company would hire someone, who does it? This is a rule on interviews - do not fucking bitch about your previous job! It makes you look really bad. Now her flame is all across the internet and whoever would want to hire her, should think twice, because it is quite possible she would go bitching yet again, once something doesn't go as she wants it to.
I think most people who have taken the time to read through this thread are aware of his wife and the background story. So no it is not "one thing no one is paying attention to". He has been affected based on the behaviour of his wife. Her actions have affected him. So there is no disputing her behaviour, however wrong it was. She can be called unprofessional. She can even be called weak. But I would suggest it is still wrong to penalise him.
You say he has also expressed statements similar to hers as facts. Then perhaps you would like to share these statements he made, hers were about her treatment being let go from her job at Blizzard. I am not aware of these but if this is the case then perhaps (only perhaps) there is some justification.
Now personally I think I am big enough that if someone came to my house and insulted me I would be pissed at them. Sure I get the analogy. But if their partner was a friend, and I think to Hearthstone players as an entertaining streamer Savij should be called this, I would not be so small-minded as to exclude him from future parties. That is just cutting off your nose to spite your face. I like fun at parties.
Thankfully in this case, I guess before the internet blew-up, Blizzard realised just how small-minded they were being and have un-blacklisted him and confirmed his wife can go to future events.
Which was, make no mistake, purely a business decision as well. Turns out the loudmouths of the internet can create quite an uproar when their internet celebrity idols get, what they believe, is an unfair treatment. The nuisance of their injustice spam has now been gauged as being a bigger drawback than inviting them back to invitationals.
Blizzard didn’t grow a heart, they simply got to a point where the cons outweigh the pros, and they switch direction. Business 101
As I recall he quit being pro and at some point sellout to TFT and LOR. I watch him quite a lot but not as much as i used to because of that. Also his wife was working in PR so thats not surprising since she isnt related to development of the actual games.
Can you imagine to have the audacity to self volunteer for a promotional event that pays you a couple grand minimum and get upset that they won't let you after your wife rips the company?
tf why would this guy think he's a good ambassador of the game
Seems like over the past few years, Blizzard has been making a very concerted effort to get absolutely none of my money. Laying off 800 people while making a record profit. The treatment of Blitzchung over Hong Kong. The thing with Savjz got walked back, but was still inappropriate.
Are they allowed to invite (or not) whoever they wish to their invitational tournaments? Sure. I'm allowed to never spend another ****ing dime on Blizzard, and honestly, I'd encourage other folks to do the same.
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Being banned from the events you organize isn't a kind of regulatory that would be sanctioned by law. Just like you can invite whoever you want to party at your house, Blizzard has free will to decide who they want to invite to their events. Period.
What a load of incoherent and wannabe patriotical drivel.
First of all, this is by no legal definition retaliatory discrimination. Blizzard are free to invite (and exclude) whoever they want to a promotional event. There was no legal obligation here. You boast about freedom, yet completely ignore the organizations freedom to host their promotional events as they please.
It is no way a matter of being persecuted for having a difference of opinion. He is not being denied constitutional rights or anything similar for his opinion, so dial down the zealotry. He is simply not being picked as an ambassador for a company.
Blizzard is a company that does several events for disaster relief and also diversity focus, so I don’t see this part of your comment has any relevance what so ever. You are absolutely right, the business needs to make money, and this decision was quite clearly made with that in mind. They valued the risk of including him in this promotional event would be bigger than the gain from including him. Thinking otherwise is ignorant and a lack of understanding how a business is run.
blizzard for life. blizzard possy out.
This is a sad event. However I look at it I cannot see this as a good development for Hearthstone, Blizzard or ESports in general.
Sad that someone has been affected simply on the basis of what their relatives have done. It is discrimination, not based on race or religion, but discrimination none the less by association.
And if you feel no sympathy for Savij because he is a streamer, or a very successful streamer, or just a good player of the game then perhaps that is a poor reflection on you.
If you feel no sympathy because he has previously bad-mouthed Blizzard then just consider if he had good reason to do so? And also consider all the prominent streamers and high profile personalities involved in this game who have had strong words about Blizzard and Hearthstone and ask if they also would have deserved this treatment. Personally I cannot think of one streamer I watch who at some point has not had something negative to say, and say strongly about the company.
I expect fallout from taking this position but my personal view is, this guy is a very good player, a very entertaining streamer, and in these terms an ambassador for the game. The fact that he can be sidelined with no real repercussions is a sad reflection on the gamer community. It was an invitational. But I watch several of the people who were there and must say he was a far better and more entertaining "player" than several of them. This in itself also belittles the event, and I think to some degree, the other players who attended. I do not know but I also hope they have some comment to make on this subject, for some solidarity amongst gamers. At least I know Frodan made a comment, though the usual on the fence comment as you would expect from someone in his delicate position.
Just think if the next time you say something bad, like card "X" is shit, then you find yourself somehow restricted from the game. I know extreme comparison but who knows. Even worse imagine it is your partner who says it. And you pay the price.
All of you seem to be under the impression that he actually got banned from anything ("you find yourself somehow restricted from the game"). He does not compete, he doesn't attempt any open events. The only ones he appeared in were invitational ones.
So what Blizzard did? They basically said "We don't want you at our party". You don't regularly attend parties at someone's place, openly bitch about them and then expect to be invited, right? Same thing if you went with your girlfriend and she was the one bitching.
Yes, you can theoretically say, he cannot compete, if he wanted to. But this is just a theory-oh mess. We know he doesn't and 99% sure he wasn't going to. So I am not gonna waste my time on unrealistic scenarios.
The facts are:
1) He attended only invitational events
2) His wife was flaming the company for personal reasons
3) He many times expressed statements similar to hers
4) Blizzard decided to stop inviting him (what effectively is this "ban").
If someone came to my house and then started insulting me, you can bet they would not be invited anymore. Same would happen if it was his/her partner.
One thing no one seems to pay attention to is this woman's behavior. She was an employee and decided to publicly flame her former company after being fired. Am I the only one thinking she's a stupid, self-centered woman? I now work for a huge international company and I have experiences in my career, which would make me easily be happy to bitch about my past employers. But do you think my current company would hire someone, who does it? This is a rule on interviews - do not fucking bitch about your previous job! It makes you look really bad. Now her flame is all across the internet and whoever would want to hire her, should think twice, because it is quite possible she would go bitching yet again, once something doesn't go as she wants it to.
This is so unprofessional and weak.
I think most people who have taken the time to read through this thread are aware of his wife and the background story. So no it is not "one thing no one is paying attention to". He has been affected based on the behaviour of his wife. Her actions have affected him. So there is no disputing her behaviour, however wrong it was. She can be called unprofessional. She can even be called weak. But I would suggest it is still wrong to penalise him.
You say he has also expressed statements similar to hers as facts. Then perhaps you would like to share these statements he made, hers were about her treatment being let go from her job at Blizzard. I am not aware of these but if this is the case then perhaps (only perhaps) there is some justification.
Now personally I think I am big enough that if someone came to my house and insulted me I would be pissed at them. Sure I get the analogy. But if their partner was a friend, and I think to Hearthstone players as an entertaining streamer Savij should be called this, I would not be so small-minded as to exclude him from future parties. That is just cutting off your nose to spite your face. I like fun at parties.
Thankfully in this case, I guess before the internet blew-up, Blizzard realised just how small-minded they were being and have un-blacklisted him and confirmed his wife can go to future events.
Blizzard's community lead has already apologized to Savjz. He can participate in future events. No need for any further arguments on this thread.
https://twitter.com/Savjz/status/1275655188435677185
Wow, who would've guessed such a greedy company has thin skin too.
Anyone who truly cares about HS will talk about the shitty parts of the game in hope that the devs will at least try to make it better.
Tickatus isn't fun or interactive
Which was, make no mistake, purely a business decision as well.
Turns out the loudmouths of the internet can create quite an uproar when their internet celebrity idols get, what they believe, is an unfair treatment. The nuisance of their injustice spam has now been gauged as being a bigger drawback than inviting them back to invitationals.
Blizzard didn’t grow a heart, they simply got to a point where the cons outweigh the pros, and they switch direction. Business 101
As I recall he quit being pro and at some point sellout to TFT and LOR. I watch him quite a lot but not as much as i used to because of that. Also his wife was working in PR so thats not surprising since she isnt related to development of the actual games.
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$200,000 prize pool? I want to play there too!
Can you imagine to have the audacity to self volunteer for a promotional event that pays you a couple grand minimum and get upset that they won't let you after your wife rips the company?
tf why would this guy think he's a good ambassador of the game
Seems like over the past few years, Blizzard has been making a very concerted effort to get absolutely none of my money. Laying off 800 people while making a record profit. The treatment of Blitzchung over Hong Kong. The thing with Savjz got walked back, but was still inappropriate.
Are they allowed to invite (or not) whoever they wish to their invitational tournaments? Sure. I'm allowed to never spend another ****ing dime on Blizzard, and honestly, I'd encourage other folks to do the same.