So I've been playing Wild this month, basically for the first time ever. And I am amazed by how the matches go. Most people emote "Hello" at the start and "Well Played" at the end - and nothing else. Played approximately 20 games and didn't get a single instance of BM'ing, roping... Two people added me to say "gg". One, who got crushed (feel you mate), just messaged me "damn, it's a pain to play vs this, gg haha". I wouldn't even consider it salty, even though he probably was a bit.
And I am playing an oppressive deck! Secret Mage - for other viable ones I'd need to craft few a cards and I don't feel like spending dust on Wild cards. Secret Mage is the only one I had 100% cards for. So I am basically playing a Wild equivalent of Face Hunter in terms of how players perceive the deck, yet no one said I am a retard, should die or questioned my mother's job. Not only that, but people honestly emote "well played" upon conceding.
It would take me like 5 won games on Standard ladder at most with something like DH or Hunter to be called a scrub that should die.
Is it something general in Wild or just my experience from playing not enough games?
Just good luck. The format doesn't matter. I've met cool and trash people in both formats
Actually there might be a correlation.
Wild = probably in game for much longer than a couple of sets = probably older than average people in Standard = probably more mature.
I mean, I know not every adult is mature, you can easily meet a grown up man raging over an online game. But considering this mere fact that to play wild you probably should have on average started playing the game much earlier than average Standard player, the average age and thus average maturity of Wild players may be higher.
The logic makes sense but it's mostly overthinking the situation. There are wild players bitching about the top decks just like standard players. What I've seen more in wild than in standard is people with full golden decks and 1000 wins demon hunters but that's about it
The logic makes sense but it's mostly overthinking the situation. There are wild players bitching about the top decks just like standard players. What I've seen more in wild than in standard is people with full golden decks and 1000 wins demon hunters but that's about it
I confirm. I can't stand Secret Mage. The deck is on another level than beast hunter. It's just too strong. It's not about killing you straight away, it's preventing you from playing while killing you peacefully. Anyway, I won't add a player to insult him because he's playing Secret Mage. Best chance for him is me conceding to help him go up faster. The deck is not very interesting to play against. It's random secrets being played, always the same, unless you find a creative player that wants to mess around (1 in 20?).
Last month, going up to diamond towards the end of the months was just awesome. I encountered a very large variety of decks, from memes to strong control decks. But maybe only one Secret Mage over 40+ games. Then at Diamond 10... 40% of decks were Secret Mage. I stopped playing.
Now, I went up to gold a few days ago and i'm not playing 50% of games against Secret Mage. I don't want to play a counter - not interested. So i'll wait for these players who just want to go up to go up Diamond 5 and then I'll be able to grind for my rewards peacefully towards the end of the months.
To come back to OPs point, I playing both Wild and Standard, and Wild seems to be a better place indeed. The last time I got added to be insulted was at least 6 months ago. Standard globally leaves less place to play fun decks, so people are just playing Standard to grind the ladder, so they are playing the top 5 decks, in 90+% of cases... It's less fun, more difficult to win so people are more aggressive - that's what I interpret from my observations. Ranked Wild after half of the month look a lot to me like Casual Standard actually...
The logic makes sense but it's mostly overthinking the situation. There are wild players bitching about the top decks just like standard players. What I've seen more in wild than in standard is people with full golden decks and 1000 wins demon hunters but that's about it
I confirm. I can't stand Secret Mage. The deck is on another level than beast hunter. It's just too strong. It's not about killing you straight away, it's preventing you from playing while killing you peacefully. Anyway, I won't add a player to insult him because he's playing Secret Mage. Best chance for him is me conceding to help him go up faster. The deck is not very interesting to play against. It's random secrets being played, always the same, unless you find a creative player that wants to mess around (1 in 20?).
Last month, going up to diamond towards the end of the months was just awesome. I encountered a very large variety of decks, from memes to strong control decks. But maybe only one Secret Mage over 40+ games. Then at Diamond 10... 40% of decks were Secret Mage. I stopped playing.
Now, I went up to gold a few days ago and i'm not playing 50% of games against Secret Mage. I don't want to play a counter - not interested. So i'll wait for these players who just want to go up to go up Diamond 5 and then I'll be able to grind for my rewards peacefully towards the end of the months.
To come back to OPs point, I playing both Wild and Standard, and Wild seems to be a better place indeed. The last time I got added to be insulted was at least 6 months ago. Standard globally leaves less place to play fun decks, so people are just playing Standard to grind the ladder, so they are playing the top 5 decks, in 90+% of cases... It's less fun, more difficult to win so people are more aggressive - that's what I interpret from my observations. Ranked Wild after half of the month look a lot to me like Casual Standard actually...
I am high Plat now and still didn't encounter a single instance of an excessive BM. One player was spamming emotes, but it wasn't really spamming, he was just emoting "oops" or "well played" after being countered. You could say he was using emotes as intended, even though some people don't like to be distracted by such emoting.
Btw. I don't understand why people complain about Secret Mage being popular. I know how irritating it is to play against it, I really do. I myself hate secrets (of any class), wen I have to play against them. But it's like the easiest deck to counter ever. There are cards directed specifically to counter Christmas Trees. Yesterday a Lock played Eater of Secrets to destroy 3 Secrets and it was gg, even Aluneth wouldn't make me come back, should I play it. On top of that every Highlander deck has Zephrys, which will always give you something like Flare to counter secrets against Secret Mage. Simple as that, you are not recovering as a Mage against a well-timed secrets destruction.
I am playing Secret Mage myself, as I said, because I don't want to craft cards. But I do have like 3 or 4 decks, for which I have close to 90% cards. Should I start meeting more mirror matches, I would just switch to one of them, slam Eater of Secrets in it, and I feel like it would be the easiest climb ever. One card that makes them simply lose. If you, as you say, had 40% of Secret Mages to deal with, you should have simply teched against them. Just like you play Ooze, when the weapon class is popular.
It might be. Maybe especially since fewer players play the format, so people stay together more. If you add someone from Wild after a GG or facing an interesting deck, I have a feeling they are more likely to respond in a friendly way and stay on your list.
I tried playing wild a while back. Res priest. I remember constant bming from my opponent. Every turn, 'wow' 'wellplayed'.
It might be nicer but there is bm everywhere.
There's BM everywhere, but I think the feeling is general. There's less in Wild.
As RaduGL said, when you face a deck you know perfectly and it has all the answers to your play... It's sometimes difficult to accept :) RNG is both a strong point of HS, and as well its weakness. There are still very polarized match-ups that you know you have 10% of winning, so somehow better conceding that losing your time. But overall, RNG steals a lot of games. A 50/50 match-up can be driven by RNG...
Anyway, thanks for the Secret Mage answer Geoff. I really did not mean it's unbeatable. I just don't want to build to counter it - I'd prefer not seeing it at all. I just don't like playing against this deck (neither playing it). To illustrate, here's a deck I'm playing to grind the ladder: https://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/1351295-ragnaros-ftw - definitely inefficient :)
Just good luck. The format doesn't matter. I've met cool and trash people in both formats
Actually there might be a correlation.
Wild = probably in game for much longer than a couple of sets = probably older than average people in Standard = probably more mature.
I mean, I know not every adult is mature, you can easily meet a grown up man raging over an online game. But considering this mere fact that to play wild you probably should have on average started playing the game much earlier than average Standard player, the average age and thus average maturity of Wild players may be higher.
I only play Wild so I cant say if there is difference. I'we seen that people complain here about roping and mega quoting, but at least I don't see this on gameplay. Some times people send friend request and cry, but often people just say gg and ask copy of the deck.
I think Wild players are more experienced players, and play more fun. There are probably more variety in decks because more options on cards, and players don't get frustrated from playing same decks all over again. I play diamond 5-3 mostly.
Just good luck. The format doesn't matter. I've met cool and trash people in both formats
Actually there might be a correlation.
Wild = probably in game for much longer than a couple of sets = probably older than average people in Standard = probably more mature.
I mean, I know not every adult is mature, you can easily meet a grown up man raging over an online game. But considering this mere fact that to play wild you probably should have on average started playing the game much earlier than average Standard player, the average age and thus average maturity of Wild players may be higher.
There has also been speculation about that in other games and surprisingly often the opposite was the case.
Younger , inexperienced players were mostly the nicest guys around and always thankful for tips. Older people are mature, but also rage like nothing else. They know the game and what people do wrong, so they get more upset easily.
Just a couple days ago i was in a battle with my buddy in World of Tanks ( where the average age is more like mid 30 to 40s) , and two guys were yelling at each other for being a stupid kid. We smiled and said to each other that probably both of those guys were in their 50s :) .
Last year in wild out of 30 games 25 were against ressurection priest so I grew a habbit of bming every priest player but besides that I think wild is nicer :)
So I've been playing Wild this month, basically for the first time ever. And I am amazed by how the matches go. Most people emote "Hello" at the start and "Well Played" at the end - and nothing else. Played approximately 20 games and didn't get a single instance of BM'ing, roping... Two people added me to say "gg". One, who got crushed (feel you mate), just messaged me "damn, it's a pain to play vs this, gg haha". I wouldn't even consider it salty, even though he probably was a bit.
And I am playing an oppressive deck! Secret Mage - for other viable ones I'd need to craft few a cards and I don't feel like spending dust on Wild cards. Secret Mage is the only one I had 100% cards for. So I am basically playing a Wild equivalent of Face Hunter in terms of how players perceive the deck, yet no one said I am a retard, should die or questioned my mother's job. Not only that, but people honestly emote "well played" upon conceding.
It would take me like 5 won games on Standard ladder at most with something like DH or Hunter to be called a scrub that should die.
Is it something general in Wild or just my experience from playing not enough games?
wait until you get to top ranks and beat non-golden pirate warrior. Then your opinion will change.
Just good luck. The format doesn't matter. I've met cool and trash people in both formats
Actually there might be a correlation.
Wild = probably in game for much longer than a couple of sets = probably older than average people in Standard = probably more mature.
I mean, I know not every adult is mature, you can easily meet a grown up man raging over an online game. But considering this mere fact that to play wild you probably should have on average started playing the game much earlier than average Standard player, the average age and thus average maturity of Wild players may be higher.
The logic makes sense but it's mostly overthinking the situation. There are wild players bitching about the top decks just like standard players. What I've seen more in wild than in standard is people with full golden decks and 1000 wins demon hunters but that's about it
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I confirm. I can't stand Secret Mage. The deck is on another level than beast hunter. It's just too strong. It's not about killing you straight away, it's preventing you from playing while killing you peacefully. Anyway, I won't add a player to insult him because he's playing Secret Mage. Best chance for him is me conceding to help him go up faster. The deck is not very interesting to play against. It's random secrets being played, always the same, unless you find a creative player that wants to mess around (1 in 20?).
Last month, going up to diamond towards the end of the months was just awesome. I encountered a very large variety of decks, from memes to strong control decks. But maybe only one Secret Mage over 40+ games. Then at Diamond 10... 40% of decks were Secret Mage. I stopped playing.
Now, I went up to gold a few days ago and i'm not playing 50% of games against Secret Mage. I don't want to play a counter - not interested. So i'll wait for these players who just want to go up to go up Diamond 5 and then I'll be able to grind for my rewards peacefully towards the end of the months.
To come back to OPs point, I playing both Wild and Standard, and Wild seems to be a better place indeed. The last time I got added to be insulted was at least 6 months ago. Standard globally leaves less place to play fun decks, so people are just playing Standard to grind the ladder, so they are playing the top 5 decks, in 90+% of cases... It's less fun, more difficult to win so people are more aggressive - that's what I interpret from my observations. Ranked Wild after half of the month look a lot to me like Casual Standard actually...
You still see some BM emotes, especially from Tyrande players when they have perfect answers to everything you do.
From my experience, yup i think people are nicer. Less bm, more fun and meme decks
Wild is were the Big Boys play, so people are more mature overall thus better player experience.
I am high Plat now and still didn't encounter a single instance of an excessive BM. One player was spamming emotes, but it wasn't really spamming, he was just emoting "oops" or "well played" after being countered. You could say he was using emotes as intended, even though some people don't like to be distracted by such emoting.
Btw. I don't understand why people complain about Secret Mage being popular. I know how irritating it is to play against it, I really do. I myself hate secrets (of any class), wen I have to play against them. But it's like the easiest deck to counter ever. There are cards directed specifically to counter Christmas Trees. Yesterday a Lock played Eater of Secrets to destroy 3 Secrets and it was gg, even Aluneth wouldn't make me come back, should I play it. On top of that every Highlander deck has Zephrys, which will always give you something like Flare to counter secrets against Secret Mage. Simple as that, you are not recovering as a Mage against a well-timed secrets destruction.
I am playing Secret Mage myself, as I said, because I don't want to craft cards. But I do have like 3 or 4 decks, for which I have close to 90% cards. Should I start meeting more mirror matches, I would just switch to one of them, slam Eater of Secrets in it, and I feel like it would be the easiest climb ever. One card that makes them simply lose. If you, as you say, had 40% of Secret Mages to deal with, you should have simply teched against them. Just like you play Ooze, when the weapon class is popular.
It might be. Maybe especially since fewer players play the format, so people stay together more. If you add someone from Wild after a GG or facing an interesting deck, I have a feeling they are more likely to respond in a friendly way and stay on your list.
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I tried playing wild a while back. Res priest. I remember constant bming from my opponent. Every turn, 'wow' 'wellplayed'.
It might be nicer but there is bm everywhere.
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There's BM everywhere, but I think the feeling is general. There's less in Wild.
As RaduGL said, when you face a deck you know perfectly and it has all the answers to your play... It's sometimes difficult to accept :) RNG is both a strong point of HS, and as well its weakness. There are still very polarized match-ups that you know you have 10% of winning, so somehow better conceding that losing your time. But overall, RNG steals a lot of games. A 50/50 match-up can be driven by RNG...
Anyway, thanks for the Secret Mage answer Geoff. I really did not mean it's unbeatable. I just don't want to build to counter it - I'd prefer not seeing it at all. I just don't like playing against this deck (neither playing it). To illustrate, here's a deck I'm playing to grind the ladder: https://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/1351295-ragnaros-ftw - definitely inefficient :)
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I only play Wild so I cant say if there is difference. I'we seen that people complain here about roping and mega quoting, but at least I don't see this on gameplay. Some times people send friend request and cry, but often people just say gg and ask copy of the deck.
I think Wild players are more experienced players, and play more fun. There are probably more variety in decks because more options on cards, and players don't get frustrated from playing same decks all over again. I play diamond 5-3 mostly.
Not sure, I try to be polite almost every game and I add random people with inzeresting decks... unless it is Res Priest or druids.
Enjoy it 'till it lasts I think :)
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There has also been speculation about that in other games and surprisingly often the opposite was the case.
Younger , inexperienced players were mostly the nicest guys around and always thankful for tips. Older people are mature, but also rage like nothing else. They know the game and what people do wrong, so they get more upset easily.
Just a couple days ago i was in a battle with my buddy in World of Tanks ( where the average age is more like mid 30 to 40s) , and two guys were yelling at each other for being a stupid kid. We smiled and said to each other that probably both of those guys were in their 50s :) .
Last year in wild out of 30 games 25 were against ressurection priest so I grew a habbit of bming every priest player but besides that I think wild is nicer :)
Maybe but the decks are more degenerate though.