OP most decks can have a variance of cards, you either submit or grind. Thus is the life of F2P.
^This.
There are 2 ways to pay to play this game, either pay with time or pay with money.
If you don't want to pay, you have to grind. If you think the time spent isn't worth it, take that time to do something else that will earn you money (i.e. part-time, overtime) and then buy the adventure.
I fucking hate when there's some random f2p player complaining when they have to buy something. Like holy shit they have to make money somehow. I'm guessing OP is 13 or so cuz a normal adult can see this
Preach. Blizzard just gave a whole class that dominates the meta right now for free, yet they want more. I may not agree with a lot of things Blizzard does, but at least I'm adult enough to know that this is a business venture, not a charity.
Screw it. Let's make more unreasonable requests. I wish Blizzard would let us dust all the free uncraftable stuff they have given us over the years. #mycardsmychoice.
Truly obnoxious replies. I would expect nothing less from this community
There is nothing wrong with wanting or being able to craft individual cards from adventures. The only reason it’s not allowed is so you are forced to spend more money on the entire adventure.
I’m kinda sick of hearing the “they have to make money somehow” argument as if they don’t release three huge sets every year that require $150 or more investment just to get SOME of the cards. If you really think Blizzard needs to make more money off adventures than you are just an idiot. After a set period of time from adventure release, you should be allowed to craft the individual cards. This way people who want the adventure can buy it and play it immediately and Blizzard can make a profit from it. After a while, the cards should become available to craft.
You can craft adventure cards when the adventure rotates out.
I fucking hate when there's some random f2p player complaining when they have to buy something. Like holy shit they have to make money somehow. I'm guessing OP is 13 or so cuz a normal adult can see this
Preach. Blizzard just gave a whole class that dominates the meta right now for free, yet they want more. I may not agree with a lot of things Blizzard does, but at least I'm adult enough to know that this is a business venture, not a charity.
Screw it. Let's make more unreasonable requests. I wish Blizzard would let us dust all the free uncraftable stuff they have given us over the years. #mycardsmychoice.
Truly obnoxious replies. I would expect nothing less from this community
There is nothing wrong with wanting or being able to craft individual cards from adventures. The only reason it’s not allowed is so you are forced to spend more money on the entire adventure.
I’m kinda sick of hearing the “they have to make money somehow” argument as if they don’t release three huge sets every year that require $150 or more investment just to get SOME of the cards. If you really think Blizzard needs to make more money off adventures than you are just an idiot. After a set period of time from adventure release, you should be allowed to craft the individual cards. This way people who want the adventure can buy it and play it immediately and Blizzard can make a profit from it. After a while, the cards should become available to craft.
No what's obnoxious is people wanting their cake and eating it too. Even developing adventures costs Blizzard money in man hours idiot. If people wanna be F2P, more power to them. I don't begrudge them. I will however begrudge the fact they want to be on an even keel with players who do in fact spend money for the product. But that's the welfare mentality of society today. Gimme, gimme, share the wealth even though F2P contributes nothing to the games future development.
If a person doesn't want to pony up for an adventure, fine. Wait for rotation and craft it in Wild. If you want it now, pay for the privilege like the rest of us. People act like holding a job is hard. I've been working since I was 10 to buy the things my mom couldn't buy me herself.
It seems like you prefer a p2w game?
P2W? Blizzard just gave away pretty much the entirety of the Demon Hunter class that currently dominates both Standard and Wild for free. F2P players never had it so good.
We are using a product, and I’m a gainfully employed adult who accepts there are costs associated with using this product. Also, my continued ability to use this product depends on me paying for some of these costs. It’s literally how commerce works. I’m not paying to win. I’m paying to play. This is the point a lot of people seem to miss. If every single HS player decided to go F2P, the game gets shut down. Point blank.
So again, if a person is F2P, cool. Do you. But ditch the sense of entitlement if you contribute nothing. I’ll break it down like I do when dealing with children, “ You get what you get, and you don’t get upset.”
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People are being really rude on here today. It's a legitimate point. If someone wants one specific card, I do think it's pretty unreasonable to have to buy the entire adventure. There should be an option to unfavourably acquire individual cards (perhaps twice the normal dust cost)
The ludicrous amount of corporate apologia present in this thread would be hilarious if it weren't actually serious.
Are people legitimately saying "omg poor actiblizz how can they earn money with you scum f2p around"? Like, seriously serious? You're aware of the amount of money actiblizz makes (without even mentioning the exorbitant amount of money they make by tax evading every single year)? When you look at other digital ccgs like runeterra, mtg, you name it, and you see their economy model, do you seriously want to suggest that actiblizz can't possibly make enough money? That must require a serious amount of blind fanboyism or stupidity (or just both, they usually tend to go hand in hand). Or maybe you're trying to suggest they're already spending all their budget on playtesting, now that would be absolutely believable, wouldn't it.
I already have the last adventure but I seriously don't see any problems with the idea that crafting a card from an adventure if one should wish to. I seriously don't understand why anyone would be against it, either. Does it change anything to you if the adventure cards could be crafted? Is it that you don't want to admit you were shafted by blizzard? Or that you want to stomp on the f2p peasants with your muunneeeyyy? No, really, I'd absolutely love to hear plausible and reasoned answers to that questions. Again, I have the adventure and if they made the cards in it craftable right now, I wouldn't care in the slightest. Poor wittle actiblizz could make the cost of crafting them higher if they really were so hurting for money, for example. Or maaaaaybe they could make an actual adventure worth the money instead of the sheer garbage the last one was (go compare it with the first few ones that came out, saying it pales in comparison is far too generous).
I'd also like to quietly point out that hearthstone, like all ccgs, relies on f2p players, which make for the vast majority of the playerbase. Do enough to make the game seem too tilted for paying players (which I don't think is the case of late, especially with the free deck given to all new players which makes being f2p a much better experience than in years past) and you can have fun when hs gets the heroes of the storm treatment, lads.
And stop behaving like petulant boomers if you can, while you're at it. It's really unsightly.
Isn't it an option to craft gold versions of the cards?
I realize it's a punitive thing to not be able to craft regulars, but as many people with varying degrees of politeness have pointed out, f2p doesn't keep the game going.
I feel like I've crafted stuff out of former adventures, so not sure if this is exclusive to Descent of Dragons, but either way, you at least have the golden option. Risky Skippers are going to be used the entirety of 2020 and then a bit, so might be worth it.
EDIT: That was a cute trick by the person who implied that one has to choose between f2p and p2w. I can appreciate an advantageous logical fallacy as much as the next guy, but that was a truly breathtaking bit of deliberate dishonesty. Kudos, my man.
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The ludicrous amount of corporate apologia present in this thread would be hilarious if it weren't actually serious.
Are people legitimately saying "omg poor actiblizz how can they earn money with you scum f2p around"? Like, seriously serious? You're aware of the amount of money actiblizz makes (without even mentioning the exorbitant amount of money they make by tax evading every single year)? When you look at other digital ccgs like runeterra, mtg, you name it, and you see their economy model, do you seriously want to suggest that actiblizz can't possibly make enough money? That must require a serious amount of blind fanboyism or stupidity (or just both, they usually tend to go hand in hand). Or maybe you're trying to suggest they're already spending all their budget on playtesting, now that would be absolutely believable, wouldn't it.
I already have the last adventure but I seriously don't see any problems with the idea that crafting a card from an adventure if one should wish to. I seriously don't understand why anyone would be against it, either. Does it change anything to you if the adventure cards could be crafted? Is it that you don't want to admit you were shafted by blizzard? Or that you want to stomp on the f2p peasants with your muunneeeyyy? No, really, I'd absolutely love to hear plausible and reasoned answers to that questions. Again, I have the adventure and if they made the cards in it craftable right now, I wouldn't care in the slightest. Poor wittle actiblizz could make the cost of crafting them higher if they really were so hurting for money, for example. Or maaaaaybe they could make an actual adventure worth the money instead of the sheer garbage the last one was (go compare it with the first few ones that came out, saying it pales in comparison is far too generous).
I'd also like to quietly point out that hearthstone, like all ccgs, relies on f2p players, which make for the vast majority of the playerbase. Do enough to make the game seem too tilted for paying players (which I don't think is the case of late, especially with the free deck given to all new players which makes being f2p a much better experience than in years past) and you can have fun when hs gets the heroes of the storm treatment, lads.
And stop behaving like petulant boomers if you can, while you're at it. It's really unsightly.
Wow. Just wow.
So, a few pointers:
1) Blizzard can afford to let us craft adventure cards =/= Blizzard is obligated to do so. I'm not "apologizing" for them, but as a grown up (albeit one playing a childrens card game) I understand that Blizzard is a private company that doesn't owe us anything.
2) You seem to believe that f2p players are somehow the ones making this game available for the players who spend money on it. That's some impressive, although ridiculous, mental gymnastics. You have to understand it's the exact other way around, right? Deep down?
And finally, 3): Please Google the word "petulant". Because your post is more or less soaked in petulance.
The ludicrous amount of corporate apologia present in this thread would be hilarious if it weren't actually serious.
Are people legitimately saying "omg poor actiblizz how can they earn money with you scum f2p around"? Like, seriously serious? You're aware of the amount of money actiblizz makes (without even mentioning the exorbitant amount of money they make by tax evading every single year)? When you look at other digital ccgs like runeterra, mtg, you name it, and you see their economy model, do you seriously want to suggest that actiblizz can't possibly make enough money? That must require a serious amount of blind fanboyism or stupidity (or just both, they usually tend to go hand in hand). Or maybe you're trying to suggest they're already spending all their budget on playtesting, now that would be absolutely believable, wouldn't it.
I already have the last adventure but I seriously don't see any problems with the idea that crafting a card from an adventure if one should wish to. I seriously don't understand why anyone would be against it, either. Does it change anything to you if the adventure cards could be crafted? Is it that you don't want to admit you were shafted by blizzard? Or that you want to stomp on the f2p peasants with your muunneeeyyy? No, really, I'd absolutely love to hear plausible and reasoned answers to that questions. Again, I have the adventure and if they made the cards in it craftable right now, I wouldn't care in the slightest. Poor wittle actiblizz could make the cost of crafting them higher if they really were so hurting for money, for example. Or maaaaaybe they could make an actual adventure worth the money instead of the sheer garbage the last one was (go compare it with the first few ones that came out, saying it pales in comparison is far too generous).
I'd also like to quietly point out that hearthstone, like all ccgs, relies on f2p players, which make for the vast majority of the playerbase. Do enough to make the game seem too tilted for paying players (which I don't think is the case of late, especially with the free deck given to all new players which makes being f2p a much better experience than in years past) and you can have fun when hs gets the heroes of the storm treatment, lads.
And stop behaving like petulant boomers if you can, while you're at it. It's really unsightly.
Wow. Just wow.
So, a few pointers:
1) Blizzard can afford to let us craft adventure cards =/= Blizzard is obligated to do so. I'm not "apologizing" for them, but as a grown up (albeit one playing a childrens card game) I understand that Blizzard is a private company that doesn't owe us anything.
2) You seem to believe that f2p players are somehow the ones making this game available for the players who spend money on it. That's some impressive, although ridiculous, mental gymnastics. You have to understand it's the exact other way around, right? Deep down?
And finally, 3): Please Google the word "petulant". Because your post is more or less soaked in petulance.
Nothing to add here. You're completely correct.
He must be a NASCAR fan. Let me know if you get it ;)
South Park. NASCAR is for the poor and stupid so Cartman gives all of his money away and tries to make himself retarded so that he can become a NASCAR driver.
It relies on p2pers and f2pers. That's obviously true.
I'm not apologizing, I'm praising. Finding ways to make it enticing to spend money on the game has to be part of the design of the game.
What is the argument with any of that?
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^This.
There are 2 ways to pay to play this game, either pay with time or pay with money.
If you don't want to pay, you have to grind. If you think the time spent isn't worth it, take that time to do something else that will earn you money (i.e. part-time, overtime) and then buy the adventure.
Well, I don't agree with the OP, though some people have been dicks in their response.
Fun reread of the title: BS = Business Savvy!
Also, I fail to understand what a "somewhat returning player" even means (spelling corrected to avoid additional confusion).
Ask more money from your daddy
You can craft adventure cards when the adventure rotates out.
It's funny how many people are too broke to afford an adventure.
It's how much, 20€?
P2W? Blizzard just gave away pretty much the entirety of the Demon Hunter class that currently dominates both Standard and Wild for free. F2P players never had it so good.
We are using a product, and I’m a gainfully employed adult who accepts there are costs associated with using this product. Also, my continued ability to use this product depends on me paying for some of these costs. It’s literally how commerce works. I’m not paying to win. I’m paying to play. This is the point a lot of people seem to miss. If every single HS player decided to go F2P, the game gets shut down. Point blank.
So again, if a person is F2P, cool. Do you. But ditch the sense of entitlement if you contribute nothing. I’ll break it down like I do when dealing with children, “ You get what you get, and you don’t get upset.”
Grammar is the difference between knowing your crap, and knowing you’re crap.
A .gif is worth a thousand words.
People are being really rude on here today. It's a legitimate point. If someone wants one specific card, I do think it's pretty unreasonable to have to buy the entire adventure. There should be an option to unfavourably acquire individual cards (perhaps twice the normal dust cost)
Time to craft the most important card: Credit Card
What you people are talking about?
There is 0 essential content in HS behind paywall, the only things behind paywall is some hero portraits, cosmetic stuff, and that is it.
Just make diary quests, get in game gold and buy the adventure with all cards.
Total cost $0,00.
Then get ya money out ya tight fisted shitbag 😂😂
Man, is it so hard to understand?
All the money a f2p player can not invest into new packs from a new expansion severly limits his ability to play future decks.
You can either invest more into packs or buy an adventure with your gold and buy less packs.
Unless the player have insane luck oppening packs, very hard to happen, the adventure have the best proportion in card rarity by gold by far.
The adventures are waaaaaaaaaaay more friendly with F2P players than the packs from expansions.
If, and only if, the adventures only can be buyed with real money I can agree with the complains.
The ludicrous amount of corporate apologia present in this thread would be hilarious if it weren't actually serious.
Are people legitimately saying "omg poor actiblizz how can they earn money with you scum f2p around"? Like, seriously serious? You're aware of the amount of money actiblizz makes (without even mentioning the exorbitant amount of money they make by tax evading every single year)? When you look at other digital ccgs like runeterra, mtg, you name it, and you see their economy model, do you seriously want to suggest that actiblizz can't possibly make enough money? That must require a serious amount of blind fanboyism or stupidity (or just both, they usually tend to go hand in hand). Or maybe you're trying to suggest they're already spending all their budget on playtesting, now that would be absolutely believable, wouldn't it.
I already have the last adventure but I seriously don't see any problems with the idea that crafting a card from an adventure if one should wish to. I seriously don't understand why anyone would be against it, either. Does it change anything to you if the adventure cards could be crafted? Is it that you don't want to admit you were shafted by blizzard? Or that you want to stomp on the f2p peasants with your muunneeeyyy? No, really, I'd absolutely love to hear plausible and reasoned answers to that questions. Again, I have the adventure and if they made the cards in it craftable right now, I wouldn't care in the slightest. Poor wittle actiblizz could make the cost of crafting them higher if they really were so hurting for money, for example. Or maaaaaybe they could make an actual adventure worth the money instead of the sheer garbage the last one was (go compare it with the first few ones that came out, saying it pales in comparison is far too generous).
I'd also like to quietly point out that hearthstone, like all ccgs, relies on f2p players, which make for the vast majority of the playerbase. Do enough to make the game seem too tilted for paying players (which I don't think is the case of late, especially with the free deck given to all new players which makes being f2p a much better experience than in years past) and you can have fun when hs gets the heroes of the storm treatment, lads.
And stop behaving like petulant boomers if you can, while you're at it. It's really unsightly.
Isn't it an option to craft gold versions of the cards?
I realize it's a punitive thing to not be able to craft regulars, but as many people with varying degrees of politeness have pointed out, f2p doesn't keep the game going.
I feel like I've crafted stuff out of former adventures, so not sure if this is exclusive to Descent of Dragons, but either way, you at least have the golden option. Risky Skippers are going to be used the entirety of 2020 and then a bit, so might be worth it.
EDIT: That was a cute trick by the person who implied that one has to choose between f2p and p2w. I can appreciate an advantageous logical fallacy as much as the next guy, but that was a truly breathtaking bit of deliberate dishonesty. Kudos, my man.
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Wow. Just wow.
So, a few pointers:
1) Blizzard can afford to let us craft adventure cards =/= Blizzard is obligated to do so. I'm not "apologizing" for them, but as a grown up (albeit one playing a childrens card game) I understand that Blizzard is a private company that doesn't owe us anything.
2) You seem to believe that f2p players are somehow the ones making this game available for the players who spend money on it. That's some impressive, although ridiculous, mental gymnastics. You have to understand it's the exact other way around, right? Deep down?
And finally, 3): Please Google the word "petulant". Because your post is more or less soaked in petulance.
Nothing to add here. You're completely correct.
He must be a NASCAR fan. Let me know if you get it ;)
I didn't, and now I feel dumb :D Enlighten me?
South Park. NASCAR is for the poor and stupid so Cartman gives all of his money away and tries to make himself retarded so that he can become a NASCAR driver.
Haha, that's harsh in this case but still funny - love me some South Park, shouldn't have missed that one :P
It relies on p2pers and f2pers. That's obviously true.
I'm not apologizing, I'm praising. Finding ways to make it enticing to spend money on the game has to be part of the design of the game.
What is the argument with any of that?
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