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If in your little brain this makes sense then good luck in life
Remember Hearthstone is a children's game. If it was a game of adults we would consider the lack of balance, the mindless aggressive stupidity and the lack of (win condition) diversity unacceptable. Adults would demand furthermore an independent investigation to assess RNG and matchup being free of rigging.
That's utopia. Based on anecdotical experience of millions the question is not if the game is rigged, but when it will come to light. It's like the Higgs Boson. An elementary particle. Theorized in 1964, proven by experiment in 2012. Took a long time, but in the end everything comes to light.
We make our world significant through the courage of our questions and the depth of our answers.
It might surprise you, but there's this silly little thing called intellectual property. See, when someone spends substantial amounts of time and money creating a product (such as the MMR), they tend to not like the idea of other people, you know, reviewing it. Allowing outsiders access to the code is a great way to have it leaked. Once leaked, competitors will emulate/ refine it, and players/ hackers will exploit it.
And exactly who is going to do this "independent investigation" of the RNG? The government? You know there's no "Department of Game Investigation," right? Who's going to pay for it? You? If Blizzard paid for it, you'd reject the findings instantly.
If you and the rest of the tinfoil hat crowd want to do an investigation, go for it. Publicize your methodology, record your games so we know you're telling the truth, collect your data, and test your hypothesis. It's funny: every time someone dares you nuts to do this, you always find a reason not to. Or you play a few dozen games and pretend that proves anything. "I got 4 Galakrond rogues IN A ROW! RIGGGGGGGED!"
I find your signature amusing, since your questions lack courage and your answers lack depth.
Funny respons. Indeed no Department of Game Investigation.....yet. Look at Google, MS en Apple. Big tech are scrutinized on different levels by state actors and international regulations. The game industry is very big. In the EU pricing loot boxes is forbidden. Need to get accustomed to the idea to scrutinize on the level of MMR and RNG.
You seen to be a firm believer that Blizzard is not rigging. Funny. you don't need any proof to believe in holy Blizzard. It's called religious.Maybe Blizzard is a god for the multitudes.
We make our world significant through the courage of our questions and the depth of our answers.
Ooof, Hooghout is here, time to unsubscribe from the thread.
Ok it’s not really gambling to require an investigation so let’s not take it to extremes. However, Hooghout makes the same point as the one I made earlier...
the point they control is matchmaking and there is no need to view the source code, it’s obvious to most of us who are playing the game for a while. It became worse after the new ranking system. Blizzard wants you to lose some games by playing against archetypes that beat yours, this way you get hooked, spend more on packs etc. It’s gaming psychology and they are good at it
no one says they should not make money, it’s just a fact so telling us that it’s “random” is just a utopia
You want me to prove Blizzard is NOT rigging the system? You know that it's not possible to prove a negative, right? I don't consider Blizzard "holy." I consider it a sensible, risk-adverse corporation that understands there's no meaningful upside to manipulating the MMR or RNG, and a huge downside.
As for investigations, those are typically launched based on, wait for it, EVIDENCE. You know, the stuff you can't be bothered to collect? "Everybody knows" is not evidence. Hideous streaks of bad luck are not evidence. Deranged ideas of evil corporations trying to scam $20 off you is not evidence. Actual hard numbers are. Do you draw card X more often against one deck than another? Does your opponent draw his card more often than percentages say he should? That's real evidence. And you've got none.
Funny, it's not obvious to me, and I've been playing this game since just before Blackrock Mountain. And you do know that if you get a crappy matchup, the other guy has gotten a great one, right? Why does Blizzard like him and hate you? Maybe he's one of us, you know, the secret Blizzard employees who are being paid to discredit all of you brave seekers of the truth.
OMG so surprised about how naive people are... the same “I say whatever, without thinking” question again and again.......
here it goes as I had wrongly assumed that people had some brain, I was wrong (%ages are for example as you will probably stick on this point)
- let’s say there are 9 popular archetypes
- 3 have a 75% of winning against 3 other ones, three are 50%, three are 75% loss
- you play a game
- it matches you against one of the 75% chance win one, you win ( the other guy loses to clarify)
- the other guy then plays the next game, he wins ( Horray) as it matches him against the three his deck is good against
- your next 5 games are matches against decks that you have a 75% chance of losing, you lose the 4
- same happens to the other guy
- as a result, the percentage of winning COLLECTIVELY drops as matching follows a matrix approach
I cannot make it clearer so stop the naive “ so someone always wins the “ statement
Maybe I should be arguing with a toaster. Let's use your example. And, to simplify, let's assume that no one logs in or logs off HS over the course of the time you play the six games you mention here. You and your first opponent each go 2-4 over your first six games. (It's not clear by the way you wrote this, so I'm assuming the other guy's first win, game 2, is one of the five games you mention when you say "same happens to the other guy." If your first opponent in your example has played 7 games, he's 2-5.) Purely by mathematics, at least 1 person MUST have a winning record over those 6 games. You two are, collectively, 2 games below .500. Someone (and as many as 2 people) must be above .500. Period. And you have no explanation for how this is possible. Because your argument is absurd.
The only other way to read your argument is that you are claiming that, once you win a game, HS matches you with decks that are heavily favored against you. But, even then, for every game you drop below .500, someone must move a game above .500 (again, assuming no change in the population of players). And, again, your conspiracy theory can't account for that.
Don’t argue with a toaster... I just did and it doesnt get it
Edit - unwillingly!
It is very funny watching stranger regurgitate all the standard arguments, tinfoil hat, prove it, etc. Being a community manager and have to spend your days lying on a forum must be a sad existence.
Looks like I keep changing jobs: first I was secretly a Blizzard employee, sent here to make the deranged seem, well, deranged. Now I'm a community manager. Maybe tomorrow I can be an astronaut. Or a baseball player. Oh, or a treasure hunter!! ;-)
I should really just start rumors that these conspiracy theorists work for other gaming companies who are desperate to badmouth HS and cut into Blizzard's market share. Then I could demand that they "prove that they're not." That's the only "logic" that seems to work for the whack-jobs around here.
Why "should"? Let's use the same argument as them. I'm pretty sure they are because it is possible they could be so it's up to them to prove they are not. In the meantime, I will consider this true and demand they reveal how much they've been paid to undermine Blizzard...
So you consider them 'a sensible, risk adverse corporation.' Reason why you not thinking they are rigging the game. I like your gullibility and lack of critical thinking - quod non. Remember Enron 2001? A showcase of financial frauds:https://www.cbsnews.com/media/top-14-financial-frauds-of-all-time/
Frauds only possible because nobody ask serious questions....till it was too late.
(showcase only an example among many others based on all thrusting types like you).
We make our world significant through the courage of our questions and the depth of our answers.
It sounds like the lack of evidence is the reason he believes Blizzard isn't rigging. Asking questions is perfectly fine btw, but when the only 'evidence' being presented comes from people complaining they lost to bad rng...why on earth should we suddenly jump to the conclusion that Blizzard is rigging the system?
I say BAD rng, but honestly what most people here present doesn't even qualify. Drawing the 'perfect' card from their deck? Discovering the card they needed to win? Playing a bad matchup multiple times in a row? Really? These are apparently the kind of things that only a rigged system could deliver.
I'm not talking about bad faith here. And you assume people reaching legend or play high level won't complain about RNG. Maybe they do, you don't know that. It is cynical to assume only bad players complain about RNG.
It's more conceptual here. Zephrys e.g is officially rigging the board state. A.I can do that so why not covert. For what reasons? Tell me, to keep the game fast paced, serving a target audience, ensuring a preconceived meta, increase pack selling, stimulating f2p to buy packs......
We make our world significant through the courage of our questions and the depth of our answers.
Again, you draw your knowledge of corporate behavior from stupid Hollywood movies and even stupider politicians. There are hundreds of large corporations out there, and the vast majority of them obey, to the best of their ability, the law. You're focusing on the exceptions. (As an aside, frequently, when these firms do get penalized for something, it's the result of legitimate disagreements over how to interpret an existing regulation, not a result of a company saying "We know this is illegal, but we're doing it anyway." The government's regulations are often quite confusing.) I never said the company was full of saints. It's got nothing to do with trust: it's entirely a matter of the company's own self-interest. The gaming industry is extraordinarily competitive, and there's substantial personnel movement between firms. So people who used to work in senior positions at Blizzard are now likely at all its competitors. Why wouldn't they anonymously leak this fraud to the government or media? It would crush Blizzard and help its competitors. Rigging the RNG is not something that can be done by only a few people: it would be widely known among much of the development team. So why hasn't this come to light? The obvious answer: because it's not happening. The risk/ reward simply doesn't justify it.
Again, show me evidence, tough guy. Actual data. If it's sooooo obvious, it shouldn't take you long. Truth is, you can't.
Almost all card games are children's games (based on ESRB ratings).
HS = Teen rating; LoR = Teen rating; MtG = Teen rating; Eternal = Teen rating;...
"There is no spoon"
Lots of words, trying to turn things around while you don't have the proof of not rigging. Ever heard of non disclosure agreements? You don't sell out. The competition will not trust you then when you want to work for them. Your sofism won't help you this time.
We make our world significant through the courage of our questions and the depth of our answers.