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Highwayman I agree with you - until you have stars things go fluently but after loosing the bonus - it's much worse grind than from 5 to legend (despite the now 3 star range between ranks). And it is much more frustrating.
Starting with this "50% winrate" bullshit policy means that the game result comes mostly to:
- rock, paper, scissors decks archetype lottery
- rng card draw
Do you still have a star bonus? The new system is pretty clearly set up to cater to players who consistently hit rank 5 plus / have high enough mmr to get at least the plus 9 star bonus. If you don't have that it's essentially as grindy if not more so than the pre-2018 setup. So far as I can tell they're attempting to further incentivize players to spend more time playing relative to the prior ranking system, but the new system is needless to say relatively punishing for players who don't have particularly high mmr / have not achieved high rank in the season prior.
No, they haven't. You misread their FAQ as many others.
You can lose MMR on purpose by conceding/losing games. Just to a certain point - the bottom of your group. But as I wrote facing the bottom of your group is better win ratio wise than the middle/top of it.
This wasn’t their FAQ this was an old interview on the MMR system. They were asked if it was possible to force your MMR lower for easier opponents and they basically said it’s not. Given that Blizzard is very secretive on how their system functions there’s no possible way you can claim to know how the MMR works for the new system, absolutely none, so going off previous info is more accurate than any of your assertions based on...nothing from what I can gather. So, given that, I must reiterate you’re talking out your ass about this. You have a MMR rating on your account. If you’ve been playing for any real length of time your MMR is going to be pretty set which is why my inactive ass started with an 8 star multiplier while being at rank 17 and my buddy who plays only every now and then and hasn’t played in almost 2 months got a 3 star multiplier.
No I started with a star bonus of 8, definitely finding it far, far more grindy and frustrating than the previous system. Although I thought it would be faster to hit legend (15 stars away from Diamond 5 vs the 25 from the old rank 5) but after losing my stars at Platinum 5 I’m having probably the worst experience I’ve ever had playing Hearthstone (been playing for almost 4 years now)
Tried to ladder a bit today and was closer than ever to deleting the game. This is complete and utter shit.
"I can't rank up...this new system is shit."
"I'm already up to [insert my best rank ever]...this new system is great."
HAHAHAHA!!!
"There is no spoon"
OHH, I wondered if that would work. thanks. I will give it a try. How is it going for you now?
I’m quote this again to lay out some facts so we can distinguish them from your baseless assertions.
1.) Blizzard confirmed the existence of an MMR threshold in their FAQ and they state there’s no benefit to tanking your MMR.
2.) Blizzard has confirmed the existence of an account MMR in the same FAQ pretty much solidifying the idea that MMR is not a short term measurement much like you are trying to say it is. Given this tanking your MMR would be increasingly difficult the longer you’ve been playing.
3.) the game keeps track of match lengths. Your play quests don’t count progress until your HP goes to zero or your opponent concedes or a certain number of turns pass. It’s safe to assume that simply conceding a bunch will be ignored by the game based on this.
Let's suppose what you say is true - this would be the case for casual mode since conceding in legend lowers your MMR. The MMR in the new ladder system is lowered too after a concede since many people report they face easier opponents that way. And since Blizzard haven't stated otherwise explicitly in their FAQ (where they commented on MMR tanking from Season to Season) this pretty much means your MMR drops when you concede.
Just give it a break for some days and you'll be fine.
platinum 5 is the new rank 20 apparently, since everybody seems to get there quite easily
Rank basically defines how much you played. You are pit up against people with similar skill as you.
Legend MMR and account MMR are 2 separate things. This is quite obvious so going further into this is pointless. This system is based on account MMR. That’s how our base bonus stars were decided. That’s how your star bonus is calculated if you take a break from the game for a season or 2. As for the FAQ the question was specific but at the end he flat said there would be no benefit from tanking your MMR. And again, the presence of an MMR threshold was confirmed. Anecdotal evidence beyond that can easily be explained with confirmation bias/luck or, tinfoil hat time, hidden draw engine coding. Anecdotes are not evidence at all. Why you are so dead set on this notion you have is beyond me because there is nothing concrete to back it up. It would make no sense to have an MMR based match making system that centered around account MMR and then allowed you to manipulate short term MMR.
This makes sense if you have a high star multiplier.
I will and appreciate the suggestion. For me when I did hit legend it was via a crazy 5 game win streak at level 1 that somehow put me in the 800’s at Legend. I wonder if that is affects MMR now.
They didn't give specifics, but the MMR is based on a long history of playing the game.
As for the ladder climb, it's always going to have bad stretches of getting stuck at a particular rank for awhile no matter how they set it up, same stuff happened in the old system. I've been legend multiple times, but would be stuck at Rank 7 for hours. Combination of bad luck, bad matches, bad meta, etc. I'd come back later and winstreak to 5 out of nowhere.
MMR takes the deck into account not the skill, I could easily switch to Hunter or Rogue and pull off more consistant wins but I rather have fun beating those same old ladder decks with something new. Even if they win Im wining ^^
If you were legend last Season you would have 10 bonus pool at minimum this Season and play with others having 10/11 bonus pool at start. What happens when you lose/concede is:
1) Your MMR would eventually move to the bottom of that bonus pool group
2) It will move to even lower bonus pool group (say those with 8/9 bonus)
3) Your MMR may drop to the lowest eventually
We don't know whether 1), 2) or 3) happens, or a combination of these happen based on the day of the current Season, but we do know that one of these happens for sure.
This ranked system is nothing more than the same system with a different progression visual to give the players a more immediate reward and psychological effect of being better than another player because of the "metal" tier names.
5 tiers with 10 ranks inside each tier
25-21 bronze
20-16 silver
15-11 gold
10- 6 diamond
5- 1 platinum
LEGEND
For every 2 levels inside the "metal" rank think of it as the next numerical rank of the old system....25 is 10-9 --24 is 8-7 and so on and so forth.
instead of having to get 3 stars to get from 25-24 a player is given a star bonus based on his former rank. so this in effect gives a player who can remember the cards in his deck and what he needs to answer a turn 4 4/5 yeti from the other player the ability to "skip" these baby levels and move on quite quickly. I went to platinum rank really fast and have my rank 5 for the month and I'm done. The game matches you against similar decks and tries to keep the win-rate matchup as close to a 50/50 coinflip as it can. The whole idea of this system is to get players who play at a rank 5-legend level the ability to zoom past these starter ranks in a few games. I think I won 4 games and I was in silver already.
Rank 5 is legend rank for people like me who won't sit and grind the rest of the way for nothing. Players like me who own every card in the game and already have the legend card-back don't care about dust because the time invested and the boredom of it isn't worth it for me, even with the new rewards.
The system is as fair as it can be. If you are stuck in bronze rank it is not because the game matches you up against decks you cannot possibly beat its because you just haven't played enough to know how to progress out of the bronze rank. You should win sooner or later based on sheer rng even if you play the deck wrong, it is just going to take you longer.
Blizzard just changed it to copy everyone else who has the same system because, god forbid, they come up with something original. They can give the illusion they actually changed it without really changing anything. This is typical of Activision and shouldn't surprise anyone who has used their products.
I have to agree the new system now very much caters to keeping people at certain ranks. On EU last month I was high legend so started this season with +11 stars per win. I've never hit legend so fast as I did this month as I was still getting +2 star per win from Diamond 5 which made it so so easy.
On NA and Asia I just play a bit casually so mostly just get Rank 5 for the cards and started with +9 stars per win and yeah after getting to Diamond 10 on both it was definitely more games and wins than it would have been previously to get Rank 5 and I think Diamond 5 is considered the old Rank 5 right? So yeah I feel sorry for people that may only have gotten +7 or less stars from previous system through casual play or taking some time off because it does get very grindy fast.
so in bronze rank, I'm paired against legend level players like me....sorry dude because if that was the case there would be win-loss win-loss win-loss win-win going on all day like it does in rank 5 legend. I blew through all the ranks and it was no more or less difficult than the old system was. Progression and ranks only drain the pool of players so at rank 5 you aren't playing against a pool of 20k people but a pool of 5k people. That is the whole idea of ranks. You don't sit in bronze rank and get matched against a player of your level within that rank. This is pretty absurd. If that were the case you would only play people within any rank who are as skilled as you are and this would make the ranks meaningless. This means it would in effect be harder for a good player to move out of any rank than say a player who just started playing. The game also matches up the decks regardless of skill. SO if you use a tier-one meta deck you will be matched up against a similar deck.
Don't believe me? Make a deck out of random bullshit cards with no particular synergies or theme and see what deck you get matched against..This deck you matched against will be some jank-ass deck just like the one you made. When new players just make a tier-one deck and jump in they are going to get matched against similar decks. If you can't play the deck and mulligan right and get the cards you are probably going to lose more than you win. I highly doubt you are playing some jank-ass meme deck and getting matched against all tier-one meta decks..it just doesn't happen that way buddy.