Give Embiggen RnG, because the game needs more of it. It either gives cards +2/+2 and increases 1 mana, or gives all cards -1/-1 and makes them cost 1 less.
here's my take on embiggen. the card is relatively fair. 1 mana is generally worth 2-4 stats depending on where a minion is on the curve. it also takes a card slot and your only buffing future draws.
The card was not a problem until winged guardian was released. I will go so far as to say it isn't even that card that is the problem but witching hour. I Feel that it's the resurrect effect that broke it. a giant uninteractable minion that can be resurrected for 3 mana after your opponent used a lot of minions to deal with it. Why do I say the ress effect broke it? just look at big priest and wall priest.
if it or guardian isn't nerfed we can see when rotasion happens if it was in fact the ress effect that broke the card. So i hope it doesn't get nerfed and blizzard can see resurrect effect is a problem in the game.
Edit: added. The ramp spell also mitigate the cost of the card (your minions costing 1 more) by not playing a turn behind your opponent.
Instead of crying for Embiggen nerfs why not pick Mech Paladin, Rez Priest or Zoolock and whoop their asses? Oh I forgot, it's easier to complain about the latest flavour of the month until it gets nerfed (only followed by complaints about <insert despicable deck of choice>)
According to HSR the best performing Embiggen Druid lists deliver a 57-58% win rate. That's far from e.g. Control Warrior in its heyday and the worst offender isn't even Embiggen but Breath of Dreams. The card is #1, 1 and 2 when it comes to Mulligan, Drawn and Played win rate. Embiggen itself performs at the same level as Strength in Numbers which suggests that the combination of mana cheat and ramp is the actual problem, not a +2/+2 (+4/+4) buff on your remaining minions.
Instead of crying for Embiggen nerfs why not pick Mech Paladin, Rez Priest or Zoolock and whoop their asses? Oh I forgot, it's easier to complain about the latest flavour of the month until it gets nerfed (only followed by complaints about <insert despicable deck of choice>)
According to HSR the best performing Embiggen Druid lists deliver a 57-58% win rate. That's far from e.g. Control Warrior in its heyday and the worst offender isn't even Embiggen but Breath of Dreams. The card is #1, 1 and 2 when it comes to Mulligan, Drawn and Played win rate. Embiggen itself performs at the same level as Strength in Numbers which suggests that the combination of mana cheat and ramp is the actual problem, not a +2/+2 (+4/+4) buff on your remaining minions.
I see we're back to using the "Quest Rogue has bad matchup so it must be fair" type of logic, but now it's Embiggen. Funny how things go in cycles.
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Lol. i love how everyone ignores the poster's question and starts squabbling over embiggen. I agree that witching hour and breath of dreams are the more troubling cards. Embiggen and side quest are great but those two really soup the deck.
Breath of Dreams 3 mana.
Witching 4 mana
Toxic Reinforcements 2 mana. Badly designed card that highrolls if you draw it early
Heistbaron Togwaggle: if you control 2 lackeys. Way too big reward for supereasy condition.
There's more and I'll post em when I think of them, but I'm pretty tipsy right now..
Remove one of the keywords to Winged Guardian please (preferably the reborn part) or tweak the card art so that its no longer a beast (therefore can't be witching hour'd)
Make Embiggen +1/+1
Get rid of fucking lackeys already. Easily the worst addition of the past year.
Instead of crying for Embiggen nerfs why not pick Mech Paladin, Rez Priest or Zoolock and whoop their asses? Oh I forgot, it's easier to complain about the latest flavour of the month until it gets nerfed (only followed by complaints about <insert despicable deck of choice>)
According to HSR the best performing Embiggen Druid lists deliver a 57-58% win rate. That's far from e.g. Control Warrior in its heyday and the worst offender isn't even Embiggen but Breath of Dreams. The card is #1, 1 and 2 when it comes to Mulligan, Drawn and Played win rate. Embiggen itself performs at the same level as Strength in Numbers which suggests that the combination of mana cheat and ramp is the actual problem, not a +2/+2 (+4/+4) buff on your remaining minions.
Embiggen is 30% of the meta, if you dont see something wrong with it you are blinding yourself from the truth (most likely because you play it).
Thank you for bringing us to the guessing what cards will be nerfed so that we could gain the dusts!
BTW I disagree toxic reinforcement needs to be nerfed. "To my opinion", I have played face hunter for more than my last 100 wins for my 1000 wins hunter reward. Even you play it at 1st turn, it doesn't really make any advantages (of course better than not having it at 1st turn) on winning.
And 70% agree on breath of dreams, what you guys think about Winged Guardian?
For me, embiggen > Winged Guardian > breath of dreams
Having played embiggen druid to rank 5, I am not sure if it needs a nerf.
First, I do not hit-or-miss highroll decks, which this certaily is. However other decks can both rush them down before they get going and outvalue them. Cards like super colider are fantastic for keeping the pressure to a minimum. The deck has very limited AOE and removal!
The meta has adapted to the deck fairly well, and the counters are not one-trick-ponies. That previously strong decks like tempo galawarrior struggle with their them does not bother me.
People complaining about Witching Hour? The most optimized lists at high ranks don't even run it anymore. Vargoth and Hour (and Stampeding and Oondasata) were cards that were actually dragging the deck down.
Breath of Dreams is fine. It's useless outside of a dragon shell, so it should be powerful when running it.
Strength in Numbers is very swingy, but when Rogue can draw 7 0 mana cards and do a over 30 mana turn and kill you from 25+ health, Numbers start to feel pretty fair.
I can agree with Embiggen costing 1 or even 2, just so the Druid actually has a decision to play a minion or lose tempo to cast Embiggen for future gains.
Will Embiggen still be badass if it costs 1 or 2? Yes indeed. Will you see any non token Druid deck in ladder if it gives +1/+1? No, you won’t. Can’t think about a good nerf here and if it’s needed at all.
Winged guardian doesn’t need nerf since soon you won’t be able to resurrect it or double it’s health.
And sidequest deserves a nerf. Btw I’ve climbed to rank 5 from 11 on this deck almost in a single winstreak and I don’t cry about anything. I just understand that this deck is not healthy. It’s impossible to win on most decks if it has a good RNG and hard to win on others if it doesn’t. It deals with wide boards badly so try to go as wide as you can but look out for Swipe. Outside of swipe they have no good way to deal with your board other than spam taunts and buffed minions. And those minions are slow.
Do something about Embiggen. Make Breath either 3 mana or lose the draw from it. At the very least, make it so you don't draw before it checks for a dragon in hand.
I my pick. Embiggen is not as bad as I thought. It's only good in combination with a ramp, so kind of a combo card.
The number of times I have won vs Embiggen Druid (I play Highland Dragon Hunter) because they simply don't have any plays or ramp and yet they play Embiggen a second time.
Having to sit on your hand for 5 turn makes you loose the game, it's that simple.
Instead of crying for Embiggen nerfs why not pick Mech Paladin, Rez Priest or Zoolock and whoop their asses? Oh I forgot, it's easier to complain about the latest flavour of the month until it gets nerfed (only followed by complaints about <insert despicable deck of choice>)
According to HSR the best performing Embiggen Druid lists deliver a 57-58% win rate. That's far from e.g. Control Warrior in its heyday and the worst offender isn't even Embiggen but Breath of Dreams. The card is #1, 1 and 2 when it comes to Mulligan, Drawn and Played win rate. Embiggen itself performs at the same level as Strength in Numbers which suggests that the combination of mana cheat and ramp is the actual problem, not a +2/+2 (+4/+4) buff on your remaining minions.
I see we're back to using the "Quest Rogue has bad matchup so it must be fair" type of logic, but now it's Embiggen. Funny how things go in cycles.
Except that Embiggen Druid doesn't warp the meta in the same style as the OG Quest Rogue did (as in, many match-ups were pretty much unwinnable for either side). And no, I don't play it myself but I think Druid (except for Token) has been in a quite bad spot lately so why should we call for unwarranted nerfs? Just because some people can't stand losing to high-rolls? Is it the Big Priest drama all over again?
The aforementioned numbers clearly show which card has the most impact at any time. They nerfed Wild Growth only to replace it with a strictly better version but it requires you to run a dragon shell. If necessary, take away the draw part but let's not ask for gross nerfs such as "make Embiggen cost 3 mana".
The latest VS report tells that Embiggen Druid has already peaked and popular decks such as Quest/Resurrect Priest deal very well with it. If you're playing Zoo-ish decks you'll be favored as well since their only AoE is Swipe, especially if they didn't draw their side quest early on. But, if people are struggling as Galakrond Warrior/Rogue and refuse to switch decks I have no sympathy for them.
I really want to make golden Embiggen cards. Guys what are your guesses?
Make embiggen +1/+1 so that dumbasses stop crying.
Give Embiggen RnG, because the game needs more of it. It either gives cards +2/+2 and increases 1 mana, or gives all cards -1/-1 and makes them cost 1 less.
Just make embiggen cost 2 mana instead of 0 mana and it will be more fair.
here's my take on embiggen. the card is relatively fair. 1 mana is generally worth 2-4 stats depending on where a minion is on the curve. it also takes a card slot and your only buffing future draws.
The card was not a problem until winged guardian was released. I will go so far as to say it isn't even that card that is the problem but witching hour. I Feel that it's the resurrect effect that broke it. a giant uninteractable minion that can be resurrected for 3 mana after your opponent used a lot of minions to deal with it. Why do I say the ress effect broke it? just look at big priest and wall priest.
if it or guardian isn't nerfed we can see when rotasion happens if it was in fact the ress effect that broke the card. So i hope it doesn't get nerfed and blizzard can see resurrect effect is a problem in the game.
Edit: added. The ramp spell also mitigate the cost of the card (your minions costing 1 more) by not playing a turn behind your opponent.
Instead of crying for Embiggen nerfs why not pick Mech Paladin, Rez Priest or Zoolock and whoop their asses? Oh I forgot, it's easier to complain about the latest flavour of the month until it gets nerfed (only followed by complaints about <insert despicable deck of choice>)
According to HSR the best performing Embiggen Druid lists deliver a 57-58% win rate. That's far from e.g. Control Warrior in its heyday and the worst offender isn't even Embiggen but Breath of Dreams. The card is #1, 1 and 2 when it comes to Mulligan, Drawn and Played win rate. Embiggen itself performs at the same level as Strength in Numbers which suggests that the combination of mana cheat and ramp is the actual problem, not a +2/+2 (+4/+4) buff on your remaining minions.
I see we're back to using the "Quest Rogue has bad matchup so it must be fair" type of logic, but now it's Embiggen. Funny how things go in cycles.
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Lol. i love how everyone ignores the poster's question and starts squabbling over embiggen. I agree that witching hour and breath of dreams are the more troubling cards. Embiggen and side quest are great but those two really soup the deck.
Breath of Dreams 3 mana.
Witching 4 mana
Toxic Reinforcements 2 mana. Badly designed card that highrolls if you draw it early
Heistbaron Togwaggle: if you control 2 lackeys. Way too big reward for supereasy condition.
There's more and I'll post em when I think of them, but I'm pretty tipsy right now..
Rotating all of the Year of the Dragon cards a year early should fix all the problems lol.
Remove one of the keywords to Winged Guardian please (preferably the reborn part) or tweak the card art so that its no longer a beast (therefore can't be witching hour'd)
Make Embiggen +1/+1
Get rid of fucking lackeys already. Easily the worst addition of the past year.
Embiggen is 30% of the meta, if you dont see something wrong with it you are blinding yourself from the truth (most likely because you play it).
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Thank you for bringing us to the guessing what cards will be nerfed so that we could gain the dusts!
BTW I disagree toxic reinforcement needs to be nerfed. "To my opinion", I have played face hunter for more than my last 100 wins for my 1000 wins hunter reward. Even you play it at 1st turn, it doesn't really make any advantages (of course better than not having it at 1st turn) on winning.
And 70% agree on breath of dreams, what you guys think about Winged Guardian?
For me, embiggen > Winged Guardian > breath of dreams
Having played embiggen druid to rank 5, I am not sure if it needs a nerf.
First, I do not hit-or-miss highroll decks, which this certaily is. However other decks can both rush them down before they get going and outvalue them. Cards like super colider are fantastic for keeping the pressure to a minimum. The deck has very limited AOE and removal!
The meta has adapted to the deck fairly well, and the counters are not one-trick-ponies. That previously strong decks like tempo galawarrior struggle with their them does not bother me.
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People complaining about Witching Hour? The most optimized lists at high ranks don't even run it anymore. Vargoth and Hour (and Stampeding and Oondasata) were cards that were actually dragging the deck down.
Breath of Dreams is fine. It's useless outside of a dragon shell, so it should be powerful when running it.
Strength in Numbers is very swingy, but when Rogue can draw 7 0 mana cards and do a over 30 mana turn and kill you from 25+ health, Numbers start to feel pretty fair.
I can agree with Embiggen costing 1 or even 2, just so the Druid actually has a decision to play a minion or lose tempo to cast Embiggen for future gains.
Will Embiggen still be badass if it costs 1 or 2? Yes indeed. Will you see any non token Druid deck in ladder if it gives +1/+1? No, you won’t. Can’t think about a good nerf here and if it’s needed at all.
Winged guardian doesn’t need nerf since soon you won’t be able to resurrect it or double it’s health.
And sidequest deserves a nerf.
Btw I’ve climbed to rank 5 from 11 on this deck almost in a single winstreak and I don’t cry about anything. I just understand that this deck is not healthy. It’s impossible to win on most decks if it has a good RNG and hard to win on others if it doesn’t. It deals with wide boards badly so try to go as wide as you can but look out for Swipe. Outside of swipe they have no good way to deal with your board other than spam taunts and buffed minions. And those minions are slow.
Do something about Embiggen. Make Breath either 3 mana or lose the draw from it. At the very least, make it so you don't draw before it checks for a dragon in hand.
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I my pick.
Embiggen is not as bad as I thought. It's only good in combination with a ramp, so kind of a combo card.
The number of times I have won vs Embiggen Druid (I play Highland Dragon Hunter) because they simply don't have any plays or ramp and yet they play Embiggen a second time.
Having to sit on your hand for 5 turn makes you loose the game, it's that simple.
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Embiggen should cost 3, like Surrender to Madness
Maybe 4.
Except that Embiggen Druid doesn't warp the meta in the same style as the OG Quest Rogue did (as in, many match-ups were pretty much unwinnable for either side). And no, I don't play it myself but I think Druid (except for Token) has been in a quite bad spot lately so why should we call for unwarranted nerfs? Just because some people can't stand losing to high-rolls? Is it the Big Priest drama all over again?
The aforementioned numbers clearly show which card has the most impact at any time. They nerfed Wild Growth only to replace it with a strictly better version but it requires you to run a dragon shell. If necessary, take away the draw part but let's not ask for gross nerfs such as "make Embiggen cost 3 mana".
The latest VS report tells that Embiggen Druid has already peaked and popular decks such as Quest/Resurrect Priest deal very well with it. If you're playing Zoo-ish decks you'll be favored as well since their only AoE is Swipe, especially if they didn't draw their side quest early on. But, if people are struggling as Galakrond Warrior/Rogue and refuse to switch decks I have no sympathy for them.
https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-153/