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 That pic is of the first time I got legend, which I am admittedly proud of. I've been higher, but the first time I got it was the most special to me. Do you disagree with what I'm saying, or are you just salty bc you don't like what I have to say / you're mad bc you suck and can't get past rank 10? lol

you don't have to be chosen one to hit legend dude, it's not that hard to get past through rank 10, neither rank 1. I have no idea why are you that delusional.  you paint it as very hard thing so it gives an excuse to your wasted time :)  my suggestion would be to get a life, and asap 

 So i guess in addition to being bad at HS, you're also bad at reading comprehension. I agree that rank 10 isn't difficult for someone who has some experience with HS; what I clearly suggested with my last comment was that you're stuck there bc (and I quote) "you suck". Legend is difficult to reach relative to any other rank, everyone who's gotten there knows this. That's how I know you've never been high rank, bc you keep trying to make it seem as if it's easy, probably bc you're frustrated with your incapability to play well and you want to believe that you're on the same level as the many people that are better than you. I am genuinely curious now to see what your rank is now tho, so by all means send me a message with your btag and I'll add you. I'm guessing no higher than rank 10 and probably rank 15-20 based on how salty and ignorant you are on this. Feel free to prove me wrong, lol

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 That pic is of the first time I got legend, which I am admittedly proud of. I've been higher, but the first time I got it was the most special to me. Do you disagree with what I'm saying, or are you just salty bc you don't like what I have to say / you're mad bc you suck and can't get past rank 10? lol

you don't have to be chosen one to hit legend dude, it's not that hard to get past through rank 10, neither rank 1. I have no idea why are you that delusional.  you paint it as very hard thing so it gives an excuse to your wasted time :)  my suggestion would be to get a life, and asap 

 So i guess in addition to being bad at HS, you're also bad at reading comprehension. I agree that rank 10 isn't difficult for someone who has some experience with HS; what I clearly suggested with my last comment was that you're stuck there bc (and I quote) "you suck". Legend is difficult to reach relative to any other rank, everyone who's gotten there knows this. That's how I know you've never been high rank, bc you keep trying to make it seem as if it's easy, probably bc you're frustrated with your incapability to play well and you want to believe that you're on the same level as the many people that are better than you. I am genuinely curious now to see what your rank is now tho, so by all means send me a message with your btag and I'll add you. I'm guessing no higher than rank 10 and probably rank 15-20 based on how salty and ignorant you are on this. Feel free to prove me wrong, lol

Man, you should stop being je** (**=alous), Your argumentation is very invalid. You say he is presumptional and than you argument by presumption.

Anyway to debate... For hitting legend, you really don't need any extraordinary skill, well you can even be pretty mediocre. Becose skill can be very easily switched with time effort. And this is the fact, which annoy most people (include me).

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 That pic is of the first time I got legend, which I am admittedly proud of. I've been higher, but the first time I got it was the most special to me. Do you disagree with what I'm saying, or are you just salty bc you don't like what I have to say / you're mad bc you suck and can't get past rank 10? lol

you don't have to be chosen one to hit legend dude, it's not that hard to get past through rank 10, neither rank 1. I have no idea why are you that delusional.  you paint it as very hard thing so it gives an excuse to your wasted time :)  my suggestion would be to get a life, and asap 

 So i guess in addition to being bad at HS, you're also bad at reading comprehension. I agree that rank 10 isn't difficult for someone who has some experience with HS; what I clearly suggested with my last comment was that you're stuck there bc (and I quote) "you suck". Legend is difficult to reach relative to any other rank, everyone who's gotten there knows this. That's how I know you've never been high rank, bc you keep trying to make it seem as if it's easy, probably bc you're frustrated with your incapability to play well and you want to believe that you're on the same level as the many people that are better than you. I am genuinely curious now to see what your rank is now tho, so by all means send me a message with your btag and I'll add you. I'm guessing no higher than rank 10 and probably rank 15-20 based on how salty and ignorant you are on this. Feel free to prove me wrong, lol

Man, you should stop being je** (**=alous), Your argumentation is very invalid. You say he is presumptional and than you argument by presumption.

Anyway to debate... For hitting legend, you really don't need any extraordinary skill, well you can even be pretty mediocre. Becose skill can be very easily switched with time effort. And this is the fact, which annoy most people (include me).

 I'm sorry, how exactly am I being jealous? lol. My argument is not invalid or "presumptional", it is predicated on logic, reasoning, and experience. Several others that have actually attained legend have agreed with me throughout this thread. The only presumption I'm making is that elnur is not and never has been a high ranked player, and I provided my reasoning for that as well. I would make the same presumption for you for the exact same reason: you can't just replace skill with time, and for you to assert that makes it pretty obvious that you've never attained high rank. It's like saying if you spend a lot of time playing chess you will instantly become a GM in chess. You can't just magically hit GM by playing a lot of chess, it requires a certain level of skill. Similarly, one needs to reach a particular level with regard to skill in order to hit legend in HS. And it's pretty difficult (statistically impossible, in fact) to make an argument for any legend players being mediocre when they are the top 0.1 percent, even if you are presuming that only rank 5 and up spend the time necessary to get there. Now if you were argue that spending large amounts of time playing the game enables players to become more skilled and consequently attain high rank, then you might not sound like you have no idea what you're talking about. As it is, you're in the same boat as elnur as far as I'm concerned: a lower ranked player who's never been to legend trying to act as if they know how difficult it is to reach legend. 

Highroll hard Play hard, that's about it to hit legend.

Complete fiesta game.

Screw Legend just get to 5. Virtually the same damn rewards for 1/20 the headache.

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 That pic is of the first time I got legend, which I am admittedly proud of. I've been higher, but the first time I got it was the most special to me. Do you disagree with what I'm saying, or are you just salty bc you don't like what I have to say / you're mad bc you suck and can't get past rank 10? lol

you don't have to be chosen one to hit legend dude, it's not that hard to get past through rank 10, neither rank 1. I have no idea why are you that delusional.  you paint it as very hard thing so it gives an excuse to your wasted time :)  my suggestion would be to get a life, and asap 

 So i guess in addition to being bad at HS, you're also bad at reading comprehension. I agree that rank 10 isn't difficult for someone who has some experience with HS; what I clearly suggested with my last comment was that you're stuck there bc (and I quote) "you suck". Legend is difficult to reach relative to any other rank, everyone who's gotten there knows this. That's how I know you've never been high rank, bc you keep trying to make it seem as if it's easy, probably bc you're frustrated with your incapability to play well and you want to believe that you're on the same level as the many people that are better than you. I am genuinely curious now to see what your rank is now tho, so by all means send me a message with your btag and I'll add you. I'm guessing no higher than rank 10 and probably rank 15-20 based on how salty and ignorant you are on this. Feel free to prove me wrong, lol

Man, you should stop being je** (**=alous), Your argumentation is very invalid. You say he is presumptional and than you argument by presumption.

Anyway to debate... For hitting legend, you really don't need any extraordinary skill, well you can even be pretty mediocre. Becose skill can be very easily switched with time effort. And this is the fact, which annoy most people (include me).

 I'm sorry, how exactly am I being jealous? lol. My argument is not invalid or "presumptional", it is predicated on logic, reasoning, and experience. Several others that have actually attained legend have agreed with me throughout this thread. The only presumption I'm making is that elnur is not and never has been a high ranked player, and I provided my reasoning for that as well. I would make the same presumption for you for the exact same reason: you can't just replace skill with time, and for you to assert that makes it pretty obvious that you've never attained high rank. It's like saying if you spend a lot of time playing chess you will instantly become a GM in chess. You can't just magically hit GM by playing a lot of chess, it requires a certain level of skill. Similarly, one needs to reach a particular level with regard to skill in order to hit legend in HS. And it's pretty difficult (statistically impossible, in fact) to make an argument for any legend players being mediocre when they are the top 0.1 percent, even if you are presuming that only rank 5 and up spend the time necessary to get there. Now if you were argue that spending large amounts of time playing the game enables players to become more skilled and consequently attain high rank, then you might not sound like you have no idea what you're talking about. As it is, you're in the same boat as elnur as far as I'm concerned: a lower ranked player who's never been to legend trying to act as if they know how difficult it is to reach legend. 

 I don't say i did attain legend rank. But i talk from experience which i sometime see on twitch, how play some HS legends... I understand, they are not pro, so misstakes are normal. But i still feel with how they play if i would met them in arena i would just mop the floor with them. And lots of other players probably too. (As i said, they are not really bad, but they do misstakes very often. And it is more than one out of many. Of course there are most of legends, who don't misstakes this often, but still. When you see somebody who is obviously mediocre and legend, how can you think being legends need really good skill in game?)

+You don't even stop at presumming, you even now start react like i even wrote something of your presumptions... (any legend players being mediocre instead <=/=> For hitting legend, you really don't need any extraordinary skill, well you can even be pretty mediocre. )

For example you can take BG, where we have rating system and when you see somebody over rating 8k, you can bet he will perform well.

Technically, every player could reach Legend ?!?
Game seem to not punish player for bad lose streak. But you get a bonus for winning 3+ game in a row... Also, there are safe rank where you can't get back to, even if you lose all your game.
So, in regard to that information, as long as you keep getting some good winning streak of 3 and more win in a row... even at 40% win rate, you could reach legend?

The main difficulty to reach legend seem to be understanding what is the current meta at the rank you are playing. So that you can play a deck to counter them. And actually reach legend in actual reasonable time. Time and patience, because even if you get the best deck to counter other in the meta you are playing in... nothing say you will be against them or even draw the card you need...

But all that is totally irrelevant if you are asking "how hard is it to reach legend with a meme deck", which is actually the best question :P

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Technically, every player could reach Legend ?!?
Game seem to not punish player for bad lose streak. But you get a bonus for winning 3+ game in a row... Also, there are safe rank where you can't get back to, even if you lose all your game.
So, in regard to that information, as long as you keep getting some good winning streak of 3 and more win in a row... even at 40% win rate, you could reach legend?

The main difficulty to reach legend seem to be understanding what is the current meta at the rank you are playing. So that you can play a deck to counter them. And actually reach legend in actual reasonable time. Time and patience, because even if you get the best deck to counter other in the meta you are playing in... nothing say you will be against them or even draw the card you need...

 

But all that is totally irrelevant if you are asking "how hard is it to reach legend with a meme deck", which is actually the best question :P

 There are no win streaks past rank 5, hence why you need an absolute minimum of 51 percent WR to hit legend. 

Otherwise you make some valid points tho. Understanding the meta and having patience are certainly conducive to getting there.

Ho thanks, didn't know about the Rank 5. I think my best rank was 7.... back in december :P

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 I'm sorry, how exactly am I being jealous? lol. My argument is not invalid or "presumptional", it is predicated on logic, reasoning, and experience. Several others that have actually attained legend have agreed with me throughout this thread. The only presumption I'm making is that elnur is not and never has been a high ranked player, and I provided my reasoning for that as well. I would make the same presumption for you for the exact same reason: you can't just replace skill with time, and for you to assert that makes it pretty obvious that you've never attained high rank. It's like saying if you spend a lot of time playing chess you will instantly become a GM in chess. You can't just magically hit GM by playing a lot of chess, it requires a certain level of skill. Similarly, one needs to reach a particular level with regard to skill in order to hit legend in HS. And it's pretty difficult (statistically impossible, in fact) to make an argument for any legend players being mediocre when they are the top 0.1 percent, even if you are presuming that only rank 5 and up spend the time necessary to get there. Now if you were argue that spending large amounts of time playing the game enables players to become more skilled and consequently attain high rank, then you might not sound like you have no idea what you're talking about. As it is, you're in the same boat as elnur as far as I'm concerned: a lower ranked player who's never been to legend trying to act as if they know how difficult it is to reach legend. 

 I don't say i did attain legend rank. But i talk from experience which i sometime see on twitch, how play some HS legends... I understand, they are not pro, so misstakes are normal. But i still feel with how they play if i would met them in arena i would just mop the floor with them. And lots of other players probably too. (As i said, they are not really bad, but they do misstakes very often. And it is more than one out of many. Of course there are most of legends, who don't misstakes this often, but still. When you see somebody who is obviously mediocre and legend, how can you think being legends need really good skill in game?)

+You don't even stop at presumming, you even now start react like i even wrote something of your presumptions... (any legend players being mediocre instead <=/=> For hitting legend, you really don't need any extraordinary skill, well you can even be pretty mediocre. )

 Good grief. Again, my argument, which consists of me making the point that legend requires skill, time, and dedication to achieve, does not make presumptions. Me presuming that you and elnur are lower ranked has no direct correlation to aforementioned argument, it's just an off the cuff observation that I'm making bc both of you seem like you don't know what you're talking about. As for your feeling that you would mop the floor with legend players in arena, you're certainly entitled to feel however you like. That doesn't mean your feeling is even remotely realistic/true tho. The primary problem I see with your argument is that you're not couching anything you're saying in logic or rationale or experience. You're just saying you think and feel stuff, but you can't back any of it up. Plenty of people make mistakes sure, you see it all the time at high rank. What separates the best players from very good or average players is that they make less mistakes on average: they are more consistent. Also, you took my assertion of you saying "any legend player [could be] mediocre" out of context, and it doesn't misinterpret your argument at all. You said legend players "can even be pretty mediocre". That's a direct quote. I said it's difficult to make the case that any legend players are mediocre bc they are the top 0.1 percent of all players. No contradiction or presumption there.  

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 I'm sorry, how exactly am I being jealous? lol. My argument is not invalid or "presumptional", it is predicated on logic, reasoning, and experience. Several others that have actually attained legend have agreed with me throughout this thread. The only presumption I'm making is that elnur is not and never has been a high ranked player, and I provided my reasoning for that as well. I would make the same presumption for you for the exact same reason: you can't just replace skill with time, and for you to assert that makes it pretty obvious that you've never attained high rank. It's like saying if you spend a lot of time playing chess you will instantly become a GM in chess. You can't just magically hit GM by playing a lot of chess, it requires a certain level of skill. Similarly, one needs to reach a particular level with regard to skill in order to hit legend in HS. And it's pretty difficult (statistically impossible, in fact) to make an argument for any legend players being mediocre when they are the top 0.1 percent, even if you are presuming that only rank 5 and up spend the time necessary to get there. Now if you were argue that spending large amounts of time playing the game enables players to become more skilled and consequently attain high rank, then you might not sound like you have no idea what you're talking about. As it is, you're in the same boat as elnur as far as I'm concerned: a lower ranked player who's never been to legend trying to act as if they know how difficult it is to reach legend. 

 I don't say i did attain legend rank. But i talk from experience which i sometime see on twitch, how play some HS legends... I understand, they are not pro, so misstakes are normal. But i still feel with how they play if i would met them in arena i would just mop the floor with them. And lots of other players probably too. (As i said, they are not really bad, but they do misstakes very often. And it is more than one out of many. Of course there are most of legends, who don't misstakes this often, but still. When you see somebody who is obviously mediocre and legend, how can you think being legends need really good skill in game?)

+You don't even stop at presumming, you even now start react like i even wrote something of your presumptions... (any legend players being mediocre instead <=/=> For hitting legend, you really don't need any extraordinary skill, well you can even be pretty mediocre. )

 Good grief. Again, my argument, which consists of me making the point that legend requires skill, time, and dedication to achieve, does not make presumptions. Me presuming that you and elnur are lower ranked has no direct correlation to aforementioned argument, it's just an off the cuff observation that I'm making bc both of you seem like you don't know what you're talking about. As for your feeling that you would mop the floor with legend players in arena, you're certainly entitled to feel however you like. That doesn't mean your feeling is even remotely realistic/true tho. The primary problem I see with your argument is that you're not couching anything you're saying in logic or rationale or experience. You're just saying you think and feel stuff, but you can't back any of it up. Plenty of people make mistakes sure, you see it all the time at high rank. What separates the best players from very good or average players is that they make less mistakes on average: they are more consistent. Also, you took my assertion of you saying "any legend player [could be] mediocre" out of context, and it doesn't misinterpret your argument at all. You said legend players "can even be pretty mediocre". That's a direct quote. I said it's difficult to make the case that any legend players are mediocre bc they are the top 0.1 percent of all players. No contradiction or presumption there.  

 I would react untraditional from end to start...

Ok we can assume i maid presumption and you maid presumption. Than i just ask, why the hell are you react on something out of context. Or why else would you argument... On my "legends can be mediocre players" by answering "all legends can't be mediocre". Becose i was presumptional only becosei  thought it was reaction to context and not some random sentence just to write at least something close to the theme. (Like hey, global warming can cause lost of house to sea... Yeah? But people in Tibet are pretty safe.)

Nevermore... pointless to prolonging who is presumptional.

And to the point...

Everybody base on feeling, nobody have hardproof data of how much people in legend are people without misstakes, with few misstakes, with lots of misstakes... SO there definitely is not way to base information on other basis then are our feels/knowledge. And each of us would have different feels/knowledge, becose we all live different lives.

For me it more like... I was once legends and it was so hard for me, pleas stop letting fown value of my achievment. Man, it doesn't matter how others looks on it, if you feel like it was achievment, then it was achievment for you. For me is for example achievment which i am proud of beating Rastakhan Rumble with hunter overkill cost reduce, even if nobody else five it value.

So now i am maybe presumptional, but ve honest to yourself... When you wrote "That doesn't mean your feeling is even remotely realistic/true tho." didn't you in real just completly denied my idea about how being legend does not neccesery mean you should be proud of your game skill in HS? And it is about everything what i wrote... If you want just completly denny all what i write you definetly can. But please stop transform meaning of words back in time... Like hey i didn't meaned it like absolutly denny. It should be more like... You are not close, becose it is something and it will be something. Which i would agree it is something. Not everybody have legend. But i still say on the same time... That this something mean almost same to nothing if its primary meaning you are skillfull master in game is almost nonexistent.

Little bit clumsy, but i hope evrybody unstand point which i want write.

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 Good grief. Again, my argument, which consists of me making the point that legend requires skill, time, and dedication to achieve, does not make presumptions. Me presuming that you and elnur are lower ranked has no direct correlation to aforementioned argument, it's just an off the cuff observation that I'm making bc both of you seem like you don't know what you're talking about. As for your feeling that you would mop the floor with legend players in arena, you're certainly entitled to feel however you like. That doesn't mean your feeling is even remotely realistic/true tho. The primary problem I see with your argument is that you're not couching anything you're saying in logic or rationale or experience. You're just saying you think and feel stuff, but you can't back any of it up. Plenty of people make mistakes sure, you see it all the time at high rank. What separates the best players from very good or average players is that they make less mistakes on average: they are more consistent. Also, you took my assertion of you saying "any legend player [could be] mediocre" out of context, and it doesn't misinterpret your argument at all. You said legend players "can even be pretty mediocre". That's a direct quote. I said it's difficult to make the case that any legend players are mediocre bc they are the top 0.1 percent of all players. No contradiction or presumption there.  

 

 I would react untraditional from end to start...

Ok we can assume i maid presumption and you maid presumption. Than i just ask, why the hell are you react on something out of context. Or why else would you argument... On my "legends can be mediocre players" by answering "all legends can't be mediocre". Becose i was presumptional only becosei  thought it was reaction to context and not some random sentence just to write at least something close to the theme. (Like hey, global warming can cause lost of house to sea... Yeah? But people in Tibet are pretty safe.)

Nevermore... pointless to prolonging who is presumptional.

And to the point...

Everybody base on feeling, nobody have hardproof data of how much people in legend are people without misstakes, with few misstakes, with lots of misstakes... SO there definitely is not way to base information on other basis then are our feels/knowledge. And each of us would have different feels/knowledge, becose we all live different lives.

For me it more like... I was once legends and it was so hard for me, pleas stop letting fown value of my achievment. Man, it doesn't matter how others looks on it, if you feel like it was achievment, then it was achievment for you. For me is for example achievment which i am proud of beating Rastakhan Rumble with hunter overkill cost reduce, even if nobody else five it value.

So now i am maybe presumptional, but ve honest to yourself... When you wrote "That doesn't mean your feeling is even remotely realistic/true tho." didn't you in real just completly denied my idea about how being legend does not neccesery mean you should be proud of your game skill in HS? And it is about everything what i wrote... If you want just completly denny all what i write you definetly can. But please stop transform meaning of words back in time... Like hey i didn't meaned it like absolutly denny. It should be more like... You are not close, becose it is something and it will be something. Which i would agree it is something. Not everybody have legend. But i still say on the same time... That this something mean almost same to nothing if its primary meaning you are skillfull master in game is almost nonexistent.

 Ok, this is clearly a language barrier issue. You don't know what I mean when I say you took something out of context and you may not know what presumption means. To be honest I'm not entirely sure what you're attempting to say in general with this last post, but I do want to say a few things to try to address what I think you're saying. To start with, this is not personal to me. The points I've made thus far were not made to attempt to defend myself or what an achievement in a game means to me. I don't need to validate what achieving legend means to you. What I've said is an honest representation of my perspective, which I've substantiated with my own experience, knowledge, and logic. Where I take issue is that you and one or two others are attempting to speak on said achievement when you ostensibly have no experience, factual evidence, or convincing reasoning to legitimize anything you're saying. You can't say you know what it's like to get to legend bc you've never gotten to legend, you can't provide statistics to prove your argument bc they directly contradict it (if legend is so easy how is that only 0.1 percent of the player base is there?), and the best rationale you could up with to support your argument is "I saw some players in legend on streams and I didn't think they were good". In sum, you have no experience, you have no evidence, and your logic is weak and predicated solely on your opinion. I'm sorry if you can't understand everything that I'm saying, but I hope the main theme of it comes across here.

My father in law is a millionaire. Does he have an amazing job, or is he an investment genius? Nope. He's the cheapest human being I've ever met. He works 3 mediocre jobs, and still eats ramen noodles into his 60s... 

Hopefully at least a few people can decipher my comparitative narrative to my expectations of getting to legend.

I'm not legend, but I have no doubt I could reach it. I just don't have the stomache to eat ramen noodles every day.

Its not as hard as you think. Most important thing is to stick to the deck yo E N J O Y!

for example, i hit legend with some tier 3-4 decks in recent metas( like jade druid when msog pirate aggro warrior was omnipresent, or nzoth control paladin around that time aswell)

I would only suggest you to not play a deck thats lower than tier 3 if you want to hit legend on purpose and not by accident. Try to understand how you win every individual matchup at the start of the game and how you can achieve that win condition and how you have to work towards that throughout the game while managing  and not dying.

always have a plan what youre doing. dont make any plays you dont understand 100% anf try to think 1-2 turns ahead (e.g what is opponents best play next turn, what is my play after his turn if he had the best play, what are alternatives for him and for you?) 

i wish you good luck, you have plenty of time until this season ends. 

And your oppponent doesnt really matter. 1000 wins and 50 times legend doesnt improve the cards your draw and what the best plays are. 

If you make the right decisions (which are most of the time very obvious) they dont have any advantage :) 

focus on your own game and dont care about the rank of your opponent, at rank 1 you will often face some legend players but to be honest, if you can hit rank 2 or 3, you are indeed good enough to hit legend. Maybe if you face a deck like every second match you can consider some temporary tech choices. 

Have fun :) 

 Presumption is guessing for others or?

Than sorry, i really felt like you i hit you somewhere where it hurt, which i definitely didn't aim. Like i want just argue about why i have my opinion on this theme like this...

But, there is no value in arguing by "You can't prove i am wrong!", when you can't prove you are right either. Or how is your experience more valuable than my? Are you better human? I don't get it. (Or do you want say. Living here where i live is definitely good place to live. Why? Becose i live here. And you will never prove me wrong. Muhahaha!!! Or at least this is how i picture you.:-D)

And yes it is my best argument, as videos of actual misstakes are better proof than... Huh, could there be better evidence?

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 Good grief. Again, my argument, which consists of me making the point that legend requires skill, time, and dedication to achieve, does not make presumptions. Me presuming that you and elnur are lower ranked has no direct correlation to aforementioned argument, it's just an off the cuff observation that I'm making bc both of you seem like you don't know what you're talking about. As for your feeling that you would mop the floor with legend players in arena, you're certainly entitled to feel however you like. That doesn't mean your feeling is even remotely realistic/true tho. The primary problem I see with your argument is that you're not couching anything you're saying in logic or rationale or experience. You're just saying you think and feel stuff, but you can't back any of it up. Plenty of people make mistakes sure, you see it all the time at high rank. What separates the best players from very good or average players is that they make less mistakes on average: they are more consistent. Also, you took my assertion of you saying "any legend player [could be] mediocre" out of context, and it doesn't misinterpret your argument at all. You said legend players "can even be pretty mediocre". That's a direct quote. I said it's difficult to make the case that any legend players are mediocre bc they are the top 0.1 percent of all players. No contradiction or presumption there.  

 

 I would react untraditional from end to start...

Ok we can assume i maid presumption and you maid presumption. Than i just ask, why the hell are you react on something out of context. Or why else would you argument... On my "legends can be mediocre players" by answering "all legends can't be mediocre". Becose i was presumptional only becosei  thought it was reaction to context and not some random sentence just to write at least something close to the theme. (Like hey, global warming can cause lost of house to sea... Yeah? But people in Tibet are pretty safe.)

Nevermore... pointless to prolonging who is presumptional.

And to the point...

Everybody base on feeling, nobody have hardproof data of how much people in legend are people without misstakes, with few misstakes, with lots of misstakes... SO there definitely is not way to base information on other basis then are our feels/knowledge. And each of us would have different feels/knowledge, becose we all live different lives.

For me it more like... I was once legends and it was so hard for me, pleas stop letting fown value of my achievment. Man, it doesn't matter how others looks on it, if you feel like it was achievment, then it was achievment for you. For me is for example achievment which i am proud of beating Rastakhan Rumble with hunter overkill cost reduce, even if nobody else five it value.

So now i am maybe presumptional, but ve honest to yourself... When you wrote "That doesn't mean your feeling is even remotely realistic/true tho." didn't you in real just completly denied my idea about how being legend does not neccesery mean you should be proud of your game skill in HS? And it is about everything what i wrote... If you want just completly denny all what i write you definetly can. But please stop transform meaning of words back in time... Like hey i didn't meaned it like absolutly denny. It should be more like... You are not close, becose it is something and it will be something. Which i would agree it is something. Not everybody have legend. But i still say on the same time... That this something mean almost same to nothing if its primary meaning you are skillfull master in game is almost nonexistent.

 Ok, this is clearly a language barrier issue. You don't know what I mean when I say you took something out of context and you may not know what presumption means. To be honest I'm not entirely sure what you're attempting to say in general with this last post, but I do want to say a few things to try to address what I think you're saying. To start with, this is not personal to me. The points I've made thus far were not made to attempt to defend myself or what an achievement in a game means to me. I don't need to validate what achieving legend means to you. What I've said is an honest representation of my perspective, which I've substantiated with my own experience, knowledge, and logic. Where I take issue is that you and one or two others are attempting to speak on said achievement when you ostensibly have no experience, factual evidence, or convincing reasoning to legitimize anything you're saying. You can't say you know what it's like to get to legend bc you've never gotten to legend, you can't provide statistics to prove your argument bc they directly contradict it (if legend is so easy how is that only 0.1 percent of the player base is there?), and the best rationale you could up with to support your argument is "I saw some players in legend on streams and I didn't think they were good". In sum, you have no experience, you have no evidence, and your logic is weak and predicated solely on your opinion. I'm sorry if you can't understand everything that I'm saying, but I hope the main theme of it comes across here.

 

 Presumption is guessing for others or?

Than sorry, i really felt like you i hit you somewhere where it hurt, which i definitely didn't aim. Like i want just argue about why i have my opinion on this theme like this...

But, there is no value in arguing by "You can't prove i am wrong!", when you can't prove you are right either. Or how is your experience more valuable than my? Are you better human? I don't get it. (Or do you want say. Living here where i live is definitely good place to live. Why? Becose i live here. And you will never prove me wrong. Muhahaha!!! Or at least this is how i picture you.:-D)

And yes it is my best argument, as videos of actual misstakes are better proof than... Huh, could there be better evidence?

 

 

 This is kind of a pointless argument at this stage, and it kinda feels like you're trolling tbh. I've demonstrated multiple times at length why my argument is superior to yours. My experience is more relevant than yours bc I have it firsthand (meaning I've been thru the grind to get legend and you haven't) and you don't. If you can't understand this extremely simple principle then, again, there's no reason to continue this conversation. I acknowledge it may be a language issue, but what I'm saying is not difficult to understand. My logic is superior to yours bc it's based on actual empirical evidence (read: statistics), common sense, and the direct experience I just mentioned, whereas yours is based on what you think and literally nothing else. If you can't understand what I mean than I suggest you refrain from posting further until you learn better English or, if that isn't the issue, learn how to understand information. 

Videos in which people make mistakes means absolutely nothing BTW, lol, and I already addressed this in a prior comment. Every single person that has ever played HS has made mistakes, legend players are no exception to that rule. This is not "evidence" that legend is easy to achieve, it's evidence that they play the game. 

I got to rank 1, three stars, this past season (January 2020).  It's the furthest I've ever gotten before.

I got pretty excited.

Then the loss, and the 4 that followed, brought me back down to Earth.

If I never hit it, I'm ok with that.  Hearthstone is for fun, for killing time.  My job, friends, family, personal health routine, etc, are all infinitely more important, and from what I have observed, sinking time in to the game is the real key to getting legend.

I'm just not that interested in sinking that kind of time in to something that is just a passing distraction for me on the rare occasions that I have nothing else to do.

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 Good grief. Again, my argument, which consists of me making the point that legend requires skill, time, and dedication to achieve, does not make presumptions. Me presuming that you and elnur are lower ranked has no direct correlation to aforementioned argument, it's just an off the cuff observation that I'm making bc both of you seem like you don't know what you're talking about. As for your feeling that you would mop the floor with legend players in arena, you're certainly entitled to feel however you like. That doesn't mean your feeling is even remotely realistic/true tho. The primary problem I see with your argument is that you're not couching anything you're saying in logic or rationale or experience. You're just saying you think and feel stuff, but you can't back any of it up. Plenty of people make mistakes sure, you see it all the time at high rank. What separates the best players from very good or average players is that they make less mistakes on average: they are more consistent. Also, you took my assertion of you saying "any legend player [could be] mediocre" out of context, and it doesn't misinterpret your argument at all. You said legend players "can even be pretty mediocre". That's a direct quote. I said it's difficult to make the case that any legend players are mediocre bc they are the top 0.1 percent of all players. No contradiction or presumption there.  

 

 I would react untraditional from end to start...

Ok we can assume i maid presumption and you maid presumption. Than i just ask, why the hell are you react on something out of context. Or why else would you argument... On my "legends can be mediocre players" by answering "all legends can't be mediocre". Becose i was presumptional only becosei  thought it was reaction to context and not some random sentence just to write at least something close to the theme. (Like hey, global warming can cause lost of house to sea... Yeah? But people in Tibet are pretty safe.)

Nevermore... pointless to prolonging who is presumptional.

And to the point...

Everybody base on feeling, nobody have hardproof data of how much people in legend are people without misstakes, with few misstakes, with lots of misstakes... SO there definitely is not way to base information on other basis then are our feels/knowledge. And each of us would have different feels/knowledge, becose we all live different lives.

For me it more like... I was once legends and it was so hard for me, pleas stop letting fown value of my achievment. Man, it doesn't matter how others looks on it, if you feel like it was achievment, then it was achievment for you. For me is for example achievment which i am proud of beating Rastakhan Rumble with hunter overkill cost reduce, even if nobody else five it value.

So now i am maybe presumptional, but ve honest to yourself... When you wrote "That doesn't mean your feeling is even remotely realistic/true tho." didn't you in real just completly denied my idea about how being legend does not neccesery mean you should be proud of your game skill in HS? And it is about everything what i wrote... If you want just completly denny all what i write you definetly can. But please stop transform meaning of words back in time... Like hey i didn't meaned it like absolutly denny. It should be more like... You are not close, becose it is something and it will be something. Which i would agree it is something. Not everybody have legend. But i still say on the same time... That this something mean almost same to nothing if its primary meaning you are skillfull master in game is almost nonexistent.

 Ok, this is clearly a language barrier issue. You don't know what I mean when I say you took something out of context and you may not know what presumption means. To be honest I'm not entirely sure what you're attempting to say in general with this last post, but I do want to say a few things to try to address what I think you're saying. To start with, this is not personal to me. The points I've made thus far were not made to attempt to defend myself or what an achievement in a game means to me. I don't need to validate what achieving legend means to you. What I've said is an honest representation of my perspective, which I've substantiated with my own experience, knowledge, and logic. Where I take issue is that you and one or two others are attempting to speak on said achievement when you ostensibly have no experience, factual evidence, or convincing reasoning to legitimize anything you're saying. You can't say you know what it's like to get to legend bc you've never gotten to legend, you can't provide statistics to prove your argument bc they directly contradict it (if legend is so easy how is that only 0.1 percent of the player base is there?), and the best rationale you could up with to support your argument is "I saw some players in legend on streams and I didn't think they were good". In sum, you have no experience, you have no evidence, and your logic is weak and predicated solely on your opinion. I'm sorry if you can't understand everything that I'm saying, but I hope the main theme of it comes across here.

 

 Presumption is guessing for others or?

Than sorry, i really felt like you i hit you somewhere where it hurt, which i definitely didn't aim. Like i want just argue about why i have my opinion on this theme like this...

But, there is no value in arguing by "You can't prove i am wrong!", when you can't prove you are right either. Or how is your experience more valuable than my? Are you better human? I don't get it. (Or do you want say. Living here where i live is definitely good place to live. Why? Becose i live here. And you will never prove me wrong. Muhahaha!!! Or at least this is how i picture you.:-D)

And yes it is my best argument, as videos of actual misstakes are better proof than... Huh, could there be better evidence?

 

 

 This is kind of a pointless argument at this stage, and it kinda feels like you're trolling tbh. I've demonstrated multiple times at length why my argument is superior to yours. My experience is more relevant than yours bc I have it firsthand (meaning I've been thru the grind to get legend and you haven't) and you don't. If you can't understand this extremely simple principle then, again, there's no reason to continue this conversation. I acknowledge it may be a language issue, but what I'm saying is not difficult to understand. My logic is superior to yours bc it's based on actual empirical evidence (read: statistics), common sense, and the direct experience I just mentioned, whereas yours is based on what you think and literally nothing else. If you can't understand what I mean than I suggest you refrain from posting further until you learn better English or, if that isn't the issue, learn how to understand information. 

Videos in which people make mistakes means absolutely nothing BTW, lol, and I already addressed this in a prior comment. Every single person that has ever played HS has made mistakes, legend players are no exception to that rule. This is not "evidence" that legend is easy to achieve, it's evidence that they play the game. 

 It is hard to not troll, when you basicaly helping more and more. For example you can look on bold ones in your last message. I really don't see anything superior on your arguments. It is just ridiculusly funny how you can't understand how much proud person you are.:-D